IMVWR3G3 Hive Fleet Cthulhu VS Sons of Simon Magus

[danjones87]

Mission, Seize Ground.
Deployment, Spearhead.
Sons of Simon Magus deploy first. Hive Fleet Cthulhu fail to sieze.

Hive Fleet Cthulhu

HQ
Hive Tyrant
2x Twin Linked Devourers, toxin sacs, enhanced senses, shadow in the warp, toxic miasma
2x tyrant guard (retinue)
227
Tactics: form a solid foundation to the army. Tyrant guard stay in cover to give the tyrant a cover save. Move up the board to support fexes and termagants.

Broodlord
adrenal glands (i), extended carapace, feeder tendrils, flesh hooks, toxin sacs
+8 stealers (retinue) with scything talons, flesh hooks, toxin sacs
292
Tactics: outflanking squad of doooom! Go for hard stuff, but not tanks.

Elites
4x warriors
toxin sacs, extended carapace, 3x deathspitters, 1x barbed strangler, 4x scything talons, adrenal glands (i)
149
Tactics: hide behind the boomfex and advance up the board. Mobile cover ftw.

Dakkafex
2x twin linked devourers, enhanced senses
113
Tactics: sit next to the boomfex and near to devourer tyrant, pump out shots, provide mobile cover.

Troops
15x spinegaunts
without number
120
Tactics: sit on an objective placed close to the board edge, refuse to give it up. In killpoints missions hide in cover, and DON'T come back on when they die. Objective should be placed in cover, so they can go to ground when shot at. T3 marines ftw.

16x Termagants
96
Tactics: if KP missions, hide in cover and shoot anything that comes to try and kill them. Any other mission march behind the fexes for mobile cover and try and claim objectives further up the board.

6x stealers
scuttlers, flesh hooks, toxin sacs, scything talons
162
Tactics: another outflanking squad of doooom, should go for squads on objectives. Broodlord should target tougher targets.


Fast Attack
n/a
Heavy Support
Boomfex
barbed strangler, twin linked deathspitters, reinforced chitin (+1w), toxic miasma
143
Tactics: provide mobile cover and move up board, toss out a couple of blast templates every turn.

3x zoanthropes
warp blast, synapse
195
Tactics: provide synapse where lacking, take potshots at tanks. At least one should stay back with spinegaunts in objectives missions.

Total Points = 1497

Tactics:
Largely covered in the list, but a few other notes:
If killpoint missions, hide anything in cover that can benefit from it and don't assault until the stealers come on.
Against other nid players... bring the w/o number gaunts on in their turn as well. It's legal! (read the wording)
Don't do anything stupid.
Objective missions take second turn if at all possible. w/o number gaunts make objectives damn hard to take.

Sons of Simon Magus
HQ:
Chaos Lord
Jump pack, 2xLightning Claws
140

Troops:
10 Chaos space marine
Aspiring Champion, Powerfist, Icon of Chaos Glory, 2xMelta, Rhino
255

10 Chaos space marine
Aspiring Champion, Powerfist, Icon of Chaos Glory, 2xMelta, Rhino
255


5 Lesser Demons
65
5 Lesser Demons
65


Fast:
8 RaptorsAspiring Champion, Powerfist, Icon of Chaos Glory, 2xMelta
230

Heavy:
Defiler
2 extra close combat weapons
150

Defiler
2 extra close combat weapons
150

Obliterator x2

Total Points = 1495


The tactic is actually to "hope" I pop the deamons rather quickly, to keep the objects behind me secure, while the rest of the army moves into position to attack and conquer.
Lord with raptors.

Get voting!

Dan

[Sabrewulf]

Cthulu Nids win.

There just aren't enough CSM. The weak troop choices will die in assault, and the expensive Raptor unit will die just as quickly.

Till they get attacked by monstrous creatures or genestealers the defilers will do lots of damage, and the oblits will template-kill a few things, maybe a gaunt unit or two, but these units will go down first. The Nid player would be stupid not to kill them right off the bat.

Sabre

[Skarsgard]

I actually see this as a touch game for the bugs.

The chaos player going first means they get to shoot with the battlecannons and obi's. Targetting the second termaganet squad leaves the nid player with 2 scoring units.

The melta's and fists will drop any big bug that goes near them and having 4 scoring units gives the marines an advantage.

This time I will disagree with Sabre, I think CSM will win this

[Slares]

Im going with Skar on this one CSM. Melta's and powerfists can and will down MC's. The stealers will get one squad into combat and then be demolished by firepower if they can even get that if the chaos player screens his flanks with the rhino's.

[Sabrewulf]

The melta's and fists will drop any big bug that goes near them and having 4 scoring units gives the marines an advantage.CSM will win this

All the big bugs are shooty. Why would they ever go near a meltagun/powerfist squad? Dakkafex, Boomfex, Devourer Tyrant, Shooty warriors and Shooty gaunts. The CSM move up, the Zoans pop their rhinos, probably short of the OBJ, and the Nids shoot them to bits.

Also, 4 scoring units? Those lesser daemons are paper thin. Deepstrike means they come on randomly ... more randomly than the stronger scoring genestealer unit.

Finally, the 370 point HQ unit (split between Fast Attack and the Chaos Lord) is a point sink. Once the rhinos are popped, these guys are doomed. If they hang back, they get charged by the Broodlord. If they DS and kill a monstrous creature, the rest of the 'Nid Army shoots them to bits.

Remember when Cthulu nids fought that eldar army, and we said the flanking genestealers would eat whatever was left at the end of the game? That's what will happen. Even if the defilers and the oblits are horribly effective, they get eaten at the end of the game.

Sabre

[Skarsgard]

All the big bugs are shooty. Why would they ever go near a meltagun/powerfist squad? Dakkafex, Boomfex, Devourer Tyrant, Shooty warriors and Shooty gaunts. The CSM move up, the Zoans pop their rhinos, probably short of the OBJ, and the Nids shoot them to bits.

The marines can advance on them???


Also, 4 scoring units? Those lesser daemons are paper thin. Deepstrike means they come on randomly ... more randomly than the stronger scoring genestealer unit.

Actually, the lesser daemons don't deepstrike, they come in off an icon so they land exactly on target. Also, they have a 5+ invulnerable save, fairly well equipped. As stated by the CSm player, they will be used to hold objectives.

Finally, the 370 point HQ unit (split between Fast Attack and the Chaos Lord) is a point sink. Once the rhinos are popped, these guys are doomed. If they hang back, they get charged by the Broodlord. If they DS and kill a monstrous creature, the rest of the 'Nid Army shoots them to bits.

I assume the tables are standard 6X4. Plenty of room to move without worrying about outflankers.

Remember when Cthulu nids fought that eldar army, and we said the flanking genestealers would eat whatever was left at the end of the game? That's what will happen. Even if the defilers and the oblits are horribly effective, they get eaten at the end of the game.

Sabre

That is true, but the eldar player had a lot of sit back units.

[kevin vanrooyen]

I gotta go with the Chaos Marines on this one for the reasons mentioned above

[danjones87]

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Kind Regards

Dan