VoteWar MkIV - Info Thread

[Grey]

Originally Posted by Caluin

I've always assumed that the Adversaries rules are optional.

Unfortunately its not optional by a literal reading of the rules.

Its a 'may use' option. Which means by strict interpretation, any player who is fighting as an adversary to Witch Hunters may choose to take the psychic appocolypse rules, provided they aren't:

1. Necrons.

2. Followers of Khorne.

Page 39 of the Witch hunters codex.


As to how effective they are, all battle sisters get a 5+ save versus all psychic attack, so that's something at least.

Oh, and all the WH wargear that only really comes into its own when facing off against a psyker. Things like the bolter/stake crossbow.

Mind you that 'may use' can swing the other way too. They don't have to use the rules.

EDIT: Having just read the rules for puppet dance, its pretty nasty indeed. Yeesh.

Soul shrives not bad either.

EDIT EDIT: Sorry for going so far off topic.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled votewar thread.

[JORMAGI]

cont from Grey's list
3. Not already a Psyker.


My understanding is that I can take it without my opponents concent if they play witch hunters. All of the other options are also perfectly legal, mutants, apostate cardinal, rogue psyker. They however cost points, and therefor require prior knowlage that you are going to play against Witch Hunters to utilize.

Now just because it's 0 pts does that make it ok to take in a tournement, or does that constitute a change in a static list, and therefor not ok.

I personally don't care, I can see the merit of either approach. I personally always take it against my friends SoB. (Then again that's usually boosting an Arch Heretic LatD, so it makes sense fluffwise.) I can also understand how it wouldn't fit into a tournement setting.

I guess I was mostly curious to see if others knew how official tournements handled it.

[TheWamp]

Originally Posted by JORMAGI

cont from Grey's list
3. Not already a Psyker.


My understanding is that I can take it without my opponents concent if they play witch hunters. All of the other options are also perfectly legal, mutants, apostate cardinal, rogue psyker. They however cost points, and therefor require prior knowlage that you are going to play against Witch Hunters to utilize.

Now just because it's 0 pts does that make it ok to take in a tournement, or does that constitute a change in a static list, and therefor not ok.

I personally don't care, I can see the merit of either approach. I personally always take it against my friends SoB. (Then again that's usually boosting an Arch Heretic LatD, so it makes sense fluffwise.) I can also understand how it wouldn't fit into a tournement setting.

I guess I was mostly curious to see if others knew how official tournements handled it.

I don't like the idea of including the adversaries rules. There are several reasons:

1. Fluff: it makes no sense to have a psyker of that variety from marines, IG, eldar, tau, DH, or nids.

2: they aren't really that balanced

3: Caluin could simply executively decide "may use" means that they've decided not to.

However, if we do decide to use it, roll before the game, like DE combat drugs. I'm flexible, but I'd prefer no is my stance, I suppose.

Also, I have a question, for those of you who are veteran tournament-goers: are they usually used there (in the rare case that a WH army would actually be used in a tournament...)?

[Caluin]

Well, while it may be a 'may use' option, I don't think we're going to implement it. There are a few things we already sort of skimp on to make things run more smoothly, and I feel comfortable with letting this one slide too.

For instance, in order to make a Psychich Apocalypse, you'd have to know you're playing against Witch Hunters. Which means that the Witch Hunters player would know that you planned to take this uber-psyker against him, and would've planned accordingly by taking a few more anti-psyker weapons.

Also, I'd have to deal with making sure I knew who was coming up against the Witch Hunters list before hand and have them pick which model to be selected, all before I posted lists, which makes for some interesting time issues. I'll pass on that, I think.

Originally Posted by Grey

EDIT EDIT: Sorry for going so far off topic.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled votewar thread.

I didn't think it was off topic...

[Ezekiel1990]

Well, TheWamp should be putting up the Grudge votewars around tommorrow (Dark Angels versus Space Wolves)... so make sure you vote! Clan members of Sons of Russ and OotWS aren't allowed to vote, but that's to be expected because we'd just vote for our own side and whoever has more members would win.

[SilverMane]

Caluin can you please send me back my list, as i have completely forgotten what i included.

[[*NoCo*]]

is there still room to send in my list or what????

[Caluin]

Originally Posted by [*NoCo*]

is there still room to send in my list or what????

Submissions were closed a few days ago. I'm not accepting any new lists right now. Perhaps if someone were to drop out before the VoteWar starts, but that's unlikely.

[[*NoCo*]]

crap ohh well just have to wait for the next votewar then

[numberofthebeastxxx]

Originally Posted by TheWamp

Also, I have a question, for those of you who are veteran tournament-goers: are they usually used there (in the rare case that a WH army would actually be used in a tournament...)?

I've been to many RTT's and local tournies, and your right, in the rare case that WH are used, I've personally never seen someone using the adversaries rule... It would imply that you knew someone was using WH. Technically your not supposed to know what your opponents armies may or may not be until tournament day. :yes: