VoteWar MkIV - Info Thread

[Caluin]

The time is fast approaching for the next VoteWar to take place. Once the mini is over, a Grudge Match between the Dark Angels Clan and the Space Wolves Clan will be taking place. VoteWar MkIV will start two weeks after that, which puts us right around April 13th. I know I originally said April 1st, but I think people would like a bit of a break before the big stuff hits.

The Rules -

VoteWar MkIV will be a double elimination tournament. Lose twice, and your list is removed. 24 lists will be participating, and I have one extra list of my own making to use as the "seed" list.

The seed list is when we have an odd number of contestants each round. The seed list can not score wins, but can cost you a win. The seed list is not built to take on any one army and is very balanced.

Rounds will run three days. All rounds end at 1pm Pacific Standard Time.

Voting is done as normal. The main vote will be for the list that is most likely to accomplish the mission. Wiping out the enemy is not the only thing to consider - the mission is and always will be the most important factor. Fluff votes can be cast if the voter wishes, and any fluff votes will used to decide the winner in case of a tie. All votes must be in bold to count.

In order for a vote to count, you must list reasons to why you think the battle will play out in such a fashion. "I agree" statements are not enough - you must word your own reasons, even if they've been stated before. Please try to read other people's arguements before deciding upon your vote. Though some people get long winded, they usually make extremely good arguements.

Each mission will be played with the following rules - Infiltration, Deep Strike, and Victory Points. Lists will be made out to 1850 points. Banned armies include Armoured Company, Kroot Mercenaries, and Harlequins. Also, the new Tau Empires is not legal, as it has not been out for very long and not many people are familiar with it yet. Next VoteWar we'll include the new Tau Empires codex and disallow the old Tau.

Lastly, once a list has been submitted to me, you may not change it. This is to preserve my sanity. So make sure that the list you submit to me is the list you want to run.

Current SitRep -
I have 20 confirmed lists. I still have room for 4 more players, and there are a couple of veterans that I'll be hounding to see if they're still interested. No pressure if they're not, however.

EDIT -
Submissions are now closed. I apologize to anyone who missed out, but there's always the next VoteWar.

I've tried to PM everyone back who has sent me a list with either list fixes or acceptance notices. If I have not PM'd you and you have sent me a list, send me a PM to make sure I have it. I probably do, but better safe than sorry.

I'll worry about formatting the lists as well. They'll be in the same format as last VoteWar, since that seemed to go over well with everyone.

I think that's it for the official business. Now on to the taunting.

Expect my list to be very competitive this time around. I went easy on ya'll the last two VoteWars, but not this time. I'll grind everyone beneath my heel!

Oh, and good luck to everyone, and all that.

[JORMAGI]

Woo, I was wondering when this post was going to happen.

Allright I'll be sure to be ready for the 13th.

Originally Posted by Caluin

Expect my list to be very competitive this time around. I went easy on ya'll the last two VoteWars, but not this time. I'll grind everyone beneath my heel!

I can see taking this two ways:
1) You're copying my list.
2) You are actually going to vote for your own list this time, perhaps?

in all seriousness though I very much doubt that any of us would mind if you stuck up for your own list in the next votewar. Not doing so puts you at a slight handycap I think. I think farness would be served just fine, by simply not banning/deleting posts of people voting against you & not throwing out votes that related to your list. Wich I'm under the assumption that you already do.

[Caluin]

Originally Posted by JORMAGI

I can see taking this two ways:
1) You're copying my list.
2) You are actually going to vote for your own list this time, perhaps?

Actually, my list is a major divergence from my normal lists. People may actually end up being quite surprised at what list I've entered.

The Seed list has "Caluin" written all over it however. (It's actually my tournament Chaos list - some of you may remember a version of it from VoteWar MkII.)

Originally Posted by JORMAGI

in all seriousness though I very much doubt that any of us would mind if you stuck up for your own list in the next votewar. Not doing so puts you at a slight handycap I think. I think farness would be served just fine, by simply not banning/deleting posts of people voting against you & not throwing out votes that related to your list. Wich I'm under the assumption that you already do.

You're right - I don't throw out any votes that involve my list. This is just so people can't claim I'm favouring it.

As for voting for it, that's a handicap I don't mind taking. It also makes my life easier as I don't feel obligated to argue for my list, like I'm often prone to do. It gives me an easy excuse to tell myself that I don't need to butt in and correct people's viewpoints. Heh.

Also, as points of interest, I have three open slots and one person who's working on submitting one. So that leaves effectively two slots left. If demand is high enough, I can raise the limit a little bit. We will see.

After I close submissions I'll give a break down of what armies are most represented this VoteWar for those of you that find that interesting.

[Silver Wings]

In previous VWs if people have had special rules that require rolling they have mostly been ignored, for example the DE Wych Drugs. People make arguments based on them assaulting 12" or other things.

Could you roll to see which drugs they get each game possibly? Similarly with Death Company perhaps?

I think that could help VW out a little.

I may be able to coerce another list out of someone I know.

Wings

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

Im pretty sure ive seen a heads up on that list, and im pretty sure i know exactly how to crush it.
:ninja:

Also, i submit, that for deathcompany, the number is ALWAYS 5 for the chaplain (because thats the average or 4, 5, and 6. + half the number of squad the Blood angle fields, powerweapons/fists are used when its most adventageous to do so. So, against IG, you probably dont need a first in your DC, so you might leave it on a scout sgt, and see he gets lucky against a tank ext.

La de da- Die everyone :yes:

[ShadowcatX]

Caluin, the link in your sig is broken, I think. It just goes to the Librarium-Online forums page instead of to a specific thread.


And the delay works well, it would be criminal to start a tourny on April Fools Day and have Harlequins banned. Just ain't right.

[Caluin]

Originally Posted by ShadowcatX

Caluin, the link in your sig is broken, I think. It just goes to the Librarium-Online forums page instead of to a specific thread.

It was broken! Thanks for pointing that out. I've redirected it to the Info Thread.

Originally Posted by Silver Wings

Could you roll to see which drugs they get each game possibly? Similarly with Death Company perhaps?

I might be able to do that, so long as everyone else is okay with it. I'll have to work something up for the Death Company since they have a random chance. Instead of just taking the average, I can just roll it out and see how it comes out. Adds the factor of variability that can sometimes work against you, rather than just assuming the average for all games.

Originally Posted by ForgedintheFurnaceofWar

Im pretty sure ive seen a heads up on that list, and im pretty sure i know exactly how to crush it.

You may be the only person who knows what the list is similar to, but it is not that list. I've changed it dramatically. It is much, much improved now.

[TheWamp]

Originally Posted by Caluin

[color=RoyalBlue]I might be able to do that, so long as everyone else is okay with it. I'll have to work something up for the Death Company since they have a random chance. Instead of just taking the average, I can just roll it out and see how it comes out. Adds the factor of variability that can sometimes work against you, rather than just assuming the average for all games.

Sounds good to me. Randomness also ties up some confusion with these arguments. However, only for things where each result will dramatically change the game. Don't roll, for example, ranger disruption, as the effect can be predicted: some will be pinned, some put in reserves.

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

If we dont use averages for blood angles, then we shouldnt use averages for anything else.

Especially not a cheese baller eldar list.

[iamspartacus]

i am interested in submitting a list caluin, should i pm you? what points is it at, and is there anywhere i should read about first?