40K VWMkIV - Round #4 - Battle #42 - Imperial Guard versus Imperial Guard

[Caluin]

Please see this thread on how to participate in these games. I want to stress to everyone that the mission means everything. He who stands the best way to score Victory Points should be the winner. All missions have the Infiltration, Deep Strike, and Victory Points special rules.

Mission Type - Take and Hold


Imperial Guard (ALPHA list)

HQ: 271
Elites: 176
Troops: 830
Fast Attack: 115
Heavy Support: 455


Doctrines:
Close Order Drill
Iron Discipline
Sharpshooters

Command Platoon
Command Squad - (6) men
Colonel Tyson (Heroic Senior Officer):
Power Weapon, Laspistol, Iron Discipline.
3x Guardsmen with Lasguns
1x Standard Bearer with Laspistol; CCW
1x Commissar "Grant" with Laspistol; Powerfist

Anti Tank Squad - (6) men
3x Lascannon; 3x Lasguns
Sharpshooters

Hardened Veterans - (6) men
1x Sergeant with Laspistol & CCW
1x Lascannon; 1x Plasmagun; 3x Lasguns


Hardened Veterans - (6) men
1x Sergeant with Laspistol & CCW
1x Lascannon; 1x Plasmagun; 3x Lasguns

Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad – (5) men
Lieutenant Dempsy (Junior Officer): Lasgun
3x Lasguns; 1x Heavy Bolter

Infantry Squad - (10) men
1x Sergeant "Ratcliffe": Laspistol & CCW
8x Lasguns; 1x Heavy Bolter


Infantry Squad - (10) men
(1) one Sergeant "Cooper": Laspistol & CCW
8x Lasguns; 1x Heavy Bolter


Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad - (5) men
Lieutenant Camrary (Junior Officer): Lasgun
3x Lasguns; 1x Heavy Bolter

Infantry Squad - (10) men
1x one Sergeant "Johnson": Laspistol & CCW
7x Lasguns; 1x Autocannon; 1x Plasmagun

Infantry Squad - (10) men
1x one Sergeant "Johnson": Laspistol & CCW
7x Lasguns; 1x Autocannon; 1x Plasmagun

Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad – (6) men
Lieutenant "Chips" Dubbo (Junior Officer): Laspistol, Power Weapon, Honourifica Imperialis, Iron Discipline
4x Laspistols & CCW
1x Commissar "Greaves" -- Laspistol, Power fist

Infantry Squad - (10) men
1 Sergeant "Hatratty": Laspistol & CCW
7x Lasguns; 1x Plasmagun; 1x Lascannon

Infantry Squad - (10) men
1 Sergeant "Hatratty": Laspistol & CCW
7x Lasguns; 1x Plasmagun; 1x Lascannon

Infantry Squad - (10) men
1 Sergeant "Hatratty": Laspistol & CCW
7x Lasguns; 1x Plasmagun; 1x Lascannon

Hellhound ‘Crematoria’
Inferno Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter;

Basilisk ‘The Noisy Cricket’
Earthshaker Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter; Indirect fire

Leman Russ Battle Tank ‘Faithmaker’
Battle cannon; Hull Lascannon; Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Leman Russ Battle Tank ‘Old Ironsides’
Battle cannon; Hull Lascannon; Heavy Bolter Sponsons


Notes and General tactics.

Doctrines: Close Order Drill has been selected for CC purposes only. It is highly suicidal to deploy in B2B contact. As there is no fast moving counterattack when I need an edge in assault COD will come into play. Otherwise the Break-Shoot-Break tactic is a better option.

Deployment: The infantry squads are deployed depending on which units are the biggest threat to the enemy. Those that are a high threat get first dibs on the best cover available (assuming ample firing lanes are present also) while the less dangerous units get the task of drawing failed LD fire and absorbing intitial enemy assaults and attempting to draw fire in general.

The two Heroic Senior Officers are placed out of sight to cover 40"- 48" inches worth of deployment zone with LD 10 while the other Juniors mop up any holes with their own LD 8. They also get the task of charging anything that is nasty and is cleaving lots of guardsmen nearby.

The two Leman Russes form an armoured shield wall for the Basilisk if there is not enough cover to hide it, that way the Bassie blasts what the Russes can't see, and the Russes blast whatever gets within minimum range for the Bassie. All the while the Hellhound rumbles around and makes a pest of itself to draw AT fire from the shield wall. Tank Synergy if I say so myself.

Against assault specialist armies I prefer to deploy in a refused flank with the infantry (108 guardsmen pulp most things in CC, especially since it's had to weather their fire) while the tanks take the other flank and catch the charging enemy in template crossfire.
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Imperial Guard (BETA List)

HQ: 665
Elites: 160
Troops: 658
Fast Attack: 0
Heavy Support: 367

Doctrines:
Light Infantry
Special Weapon Squads
Heavy Weapon Platoons
Special Equipment: Cameleoline
Iron Discipline

5x man Heroic Senior Officer Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 4x Grenade Launchers
Heroic Senior Officer: Storm Bolter; Powersword, Surveyor, Iron Discipline

6x man Special Weapon Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Laspistols & close combat weapons; 2x Flamers; 1x Demo Charge

6x man Special Weapon Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Laspistols & close combat weapons; 2x Flamers; 1x Demo Charge

6x man Fire Support Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Heavy Weapon Teams with Autocannon & Lasgun

6x man Fire Support Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Heavy Weapon Teams with Autocannon & Lasgun

6x man Anti Tank Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Heavy Weapon Teams with Lascannon & Lasgun

10x man Hardened Veterans Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 4x Lasguns; 3x Plasma Guns; 1x Heavy Weapon with Lascannon & Lasgun
Veteran Sergeant: Stormbolter, Meltabombs

5x man Junior Officer command squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 4x Plasma Guns
Junior Officer: Surveyor, Iron Discipline, Lasgun

10x man Infantry Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 6x Lasguns; 1x Plasma Gun; 1x Heavy Weapon Team with Lascannon & Lasgun
Veteren Seargent: Lasgun

10x man Infantry Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 6x Lasguns; 1x Plasma Gun; 1x Heavy Weapon Team with Lascannon & Lasgun
Veteren Seargent: Lasgun

5x man Junior Officer command squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 4x Plasma Guns
Junior Officer: Surveyor, Iron Discipline, Lasgun

10x man Infantry Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 6x Lasguns; 1x Plasma Gun; 1x Heavy Weapon Team with Lascannon & Lasgun
Veteren Seargent: Lasgun

10x man Infantry Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 6x Lasguns; 1x Plasma Gun; 1x Heavy Weapon Team with Lascannon & Lasgun
Veteren Seargent: Lasgun

5x man Junior Officer command squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 4x Plasma Guns
Junior Officer: Surveyor, Iron Discipline, Lasgun

6x man Anti Tank Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Heavy Weapon Teams with Lascannon & Lasgun

6x man Anti Tank Squad:
Light Infantry; Cameleoline; 3x Heavy Weapon Teams with Lascannon & Lasgun



Tactics:
The entire force infiltrates & has a 1 better armor save from cover. All but the veterans get an extra die moving through difficult terrain. The tactic is to force the enemy to deploy first, then set up to alpha strike his most critical units When possible setting up in a flanking attack. Once set up utilize massive fire power destroying nearby targets & 4+ cover saves to weather the return fire.
Weapon breakdown:
6 laspistols
46 lasguns
2 storm bolters
4 flamers
4 grenade launchers
19 plasma guns
6 autocannons
4 missile launchers
10 lascannons
2 demo charges
Across 112 models

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

Imperial guard win :shifty:

Imperrial guard beta list.

The IG beta list can infiltrate all over the baord, most likely in the center to win the game.

The other IG list isnt very mobile. The shooting is largly ineffective, whats a battle cannon to a 4+ save on a model who is so worthless he doesnt even have a point cost.

Now, that allows them to use and get, way more squads in cover then normal, plus they start out holding the objective.

The other IG list isnt mobile either.

10 lascannons from the beta list and 4 MLS can really hurt the enemy tanks, espeically considering they are placed after, allowing for shots on side armor. Or rooting out where the basolick is.

After that it would come down to an infantry VS infantry firefight, where the beta list has a clear advantage, they hold the objective, so they dont need to move, and they've got a good cover save.

THus they win.

Oh yea, god point.

Beta Imerial gaurd win, looks like i out smarted myself on that one...

[ShadowZora13]

Forged, you might want to actually bold list beta, not thus they win...


I am with-holding my vote untill later though, as it is very close...

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

Well think of it this way. Which IG list can even get to the objective?
The beta list deploys on it.

The alpha list:

Well, the tanks can move up for it. Pretty much every other squad is imobile. If the tanks move for it, they arent as good at shooting, plus they will be exposed to yet more shooting, from the 10 lascannons.

So basically the Alpha list has to kill the entire beta list for them to win.

The beta list just has to hold on, if they happen to kill the alpha list, well victrious slaughter to them, but really all they have to do is stop the alpha list from killing them. Much easer then actually removing the opponent army.

Peace

[tiaxrulesall]

beta list

-both lists are just as good, but beta gets to infiltrate onto the objectives, while alpha has to walk, which cripples their shooting. thus, beta list wins.

[Triumph Of Man]

Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar

The beta list just has to hold on, if they happen to kill the alpha list, well victrious slaughter to them, but really all they have to do is stop the alpha list from killing them. Much easer then actually removing the opponent army.

Peace

Actually, all the Alpha list needs to do is kill enough models in the units close to the objective to put them below the scoring level. The Beta list has a large amount of low model count units, and don't forget if they infiltrate onto the objective they're putting themselves in range of lasguns.

[JORMAGI]

I agree, both list are pretty good, but beta has a clear advantage in actually achieving the scenerio being able to infiltrate onto the objective. It's also possable for them to set up everything not on the objective on a single flank of the other lists forces, limiting the full effect of the alpha lists firing, while using their full force against them.

Beta Wins due to Scenerio Advantage

[Silver Wings]

List B can easily down the single Hellhound. Once it has done so cameleoline and infiltrating onto the objective can stand it in good stead.

Russ' aren't at thier best against Cameleoline hordes. The flamers of the infiltrating Spec Squads sould cause some consternation and confusion.

However the Alpha list also has Hardened Veterans which can infiltrate, if they win the roll to infiltrate first and put thier HV's on the objective Beta is in trouble. So infiltrate isn't a part trick only available to B.

So I don't know who to go for yet.

[Triumph Of Man]

Aww crap!

*Throws his hat on the ground*

Beta list has the tactical advantage here, there's no way I can deny it as much as I love my lads. At least we lost out to another IG army.

Editors Note:
Vote thrown out.

[AGhost]

Imperial Guard WIN :ninja:


Well this is a tough one. It all depends on the terrain.

ALPHA List will do well in a more open terrain because of their many heavy weapons, tanks and their Basilisk.

BETA List will do well in a more covered board because of the Camaloine Cloaks and some closer range weapons (flamers, demo-kits, plasma guns, etc. - SHORT RANGE FOR A GUARD ARMY). BUT with the autocannon and lascannons I feel that they could also hold their ground in open terrain.

Therefore my votes goes to BETA because of its overall preformance. They also have more guys in which to swamp the objective.

BTW, for the ALPHA guy, my current army looks A LOT like that list!

:ninja: Ghost