VoteWar Mk V Discussion Thread

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

Bleh.. 1500 is so, everyone plays that. How about 10,000

That way you could field the entire first company, and all of the battle companies at once, and perhaps even some of the reseave companies.

Oh and space marines automatically win, because they are the coolest, and no marine chapter since the horus herasy has ever lost its entire first company, and yet failed to win the battle. (remember the ultra marines won that battle)

[Caluin]

Originally Posted by ShadowZora13

oh, and how many entrants are there gonna be?

24 seems to be a good, round number. I had 28 this last round, but that's because I recieved a bunch at the last minute and didn't feel right sending them all away. If turnout is high again, I'll raise the cap. No more than 30 though - more than that and it hurts my brain. Actually, it hurts a few of them.

Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar

Oh and space marines automatically win, because they are the coolest, and no marine chapter since the horus herasy has ever lost its entire first company, and yet failed to win the battle. (remember the ultra marines won that battle)

There's a first time for everything, ya know. :yes:

I'm going to set it to 300 points for the reserve unit. 500 is just too much.

[Bugs_n_Orks]

Between 300 and 500 I'd say go with 300 cause some armies have a hard time fielding 500 points in one unit (bugs and orks among them).

Also I think that the unit should have the option of deploying on the table at the start, casue otherwise armies that don't have any fancy deepstrike abilities (such as a DE webway, Monolith gate, Droppods, Termies teleporting, etc.) would be at a disadvantage. On the other hand you could just give all the reserve units the option to deepstrike even if they normally can't.(though that could get wierd if you let vehicles do it, ie: Land Raiders, battlewagons, etc., falling from the sky)

For the sake of narrative coolness, could the reserve unit be a retinue for an IC who doesn't have one in the 1500 pt list? I ask this for a couple of reasons, first the only ork unit that can come close to 500 points is a Nob retinue for a Warboss, and since you need a warboss for the 1500 list, you couldn't have another one with retinue as the reserve unit. Second, it would be cool to see two mega characters with huge retinues go at it in take and hold, and secure and control missions, GK grandmaster + full GK termie retinue vs. Souped-up DP and a 500 pt retinue of chaosy goodness (or badness). How many of us have looked through our codecies and always wanted to make an uber-retinue, but just couldn't possibly justify it in a tactical sense.

[Shas'o Tau Dev'n Kauyon]

I'd participate in a smaller point size, but as the series is already used to 1500 I'll most likely stay content to watch from the sidelines. It's pretty enjoyable. I only have 1 list above 1000 right now and that still needs ironing out. Although my Necron list is getting pretty close to complete...

[Sareld]

I think that one reserve unit of 300 is a bit too small for a 1500 point army.. It will basically be the same army plus extras if the two lists face of again. I say that we remove the max one point unit cap to allow more flexibility, I for one cant think of a way to stuff 300 points of units into one choice with any of my armies.

Or how about this; we raise the reserves to 500 points, and lets it count as an entire army for itself, meaning that it has to be made up of ar least 1 HQ and 2 Troop choices, but still count as a part of the main FoC. That would first of all be cooler IMO, and second of all be somewhat more fluffy.. It makes a lot of sense that a reserve force operating near the main force would be be equipped and manned to fight entirely for itself should the need arise.

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

Well, the only thing i dont like about that, is it could lead to having 3 HQs on the table.

And if it where a seperate FOC, that might mean two thundering chaos demon princes, and two greater demons, (im sure other lists could also abuse this) I for one, do not want to fight through 4 unbelieveable good charactors.

Peace

[The_Outsider]

I think 300 points is not a bad size, considering for 500 points you can make some nasty units (imagine 500 points of terminators, thats pretty hard).

Also 500 points would favour marines (with space wolves in particualr) and chaos over say, necrons, who cannot get a unit to cost more than 360 points.

[Sareld]

Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar

Well, the only thing i dont like about that, is it could lead to having 3 HQs on the table.

And if it where a seperate FOC, that might mean two thundering chaos demon princes, and two greater demons, (im sure other lists could also abuse this) I for one, do not want to fight through 4 unbelieveable good charactors.

Peace

Which is exactly why the detachment force should count as a part of the first FoC, thus limiting HQ and troop choices in the main armies, and thereby force more versatility amongst peoples primary lists. My suggestion would first of all make the usual battles more exciting, as they will have a lot of variety to them, and make the reserve battles more diffrent from the battle that have already been played.

I definately dont like the thought about being limited to one 300 point choice.. it would not make any sense for me to field any single unit that big, nor would it make the battles diffrent enough from the original match to make it exciting to vote on once again. IMO at least.

[Robizzle]

I think limiting the original HQ choice to 1 is a very poor idea, unless I'm getting the wrong end of the stick. There are certain armies which sometimes require 2 HQ slots, and equally, some which CAN'T take 2. Imperial Guard may only ever have 1 HQ slot at once.

I think it should just be an extra 500 points of any single unit that will ignore the FoC.

[The_Outsider]

Depending on points usually.

For example, space wolves need 1 HQ per 750 points (so at 1500 the MUST take 2 HQ's).