[King Ulrik Flamebeard]

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Lacks discipline, us greenskins? Never! I thinbk what Ku also mean to say in the last part of the above sentence is: "I wanted to try an army where the models don't wear pretty, nancy skirts; and the models are above movement tray height." That's ok KU, we understand. :p

No, I was right the first time.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

This guy needs to be a warboss. An entire greenskin mob testing on Ld 8 is not a pretty thought (despite what goblin generals tell you). Ld 9 will give you more staying power and make you less prone to failing panic checks so that your boys get stuck into close combat combat earlier, where they excel. Drop the LA and add Armour of Gork, or alternatively, if you want more hitting power, give him the Club of Fumpin.

Actually as I want a good deal of magic the Great Shaman is something I want, also I know the abiltiy of LD9 but as I'm use to it I'm kinda wanting to use lower LD. He's there to pass what LD he can and for a little bit of combat prowless, with a 4+ sv, 5+ ws and T5 he can handle himself.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Good, although I would usually give my BSB's a magical banner - either a War Banner, or Drog's Banner of Butchery and stick him in a unit of Black Orcs with GW's or savage orc big uns.

Not a fan of using BSBs for magic banners, unless mounted IMO they're too vunerable. With a max of 6+ sv and T5 he's not too hard to take down, two hits from a GW and he's dead. Aso in my experience the BSB can be even more valuable than the general, re-rollable LD8 is very nice and can keep the army stable for longer than having extra attacks or an extra wound.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

I think tha this guy will have to be downsized to accomodate your Orc Warboss. Make him level 2, and get the Itty Ring for another spell to throw at your opponents. Keep the Dispel Scroll.

As said magic is paramount in this army, I of course wanted power but magic is something I've never used before. So the Great Shaman must be there.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Good, although the high cost of Mad Caps stops you from buying another dispel scroll, which you should have at 2k points.

TBH I'm not that bothered with the Dispel scrolls, as the army is infantry they'll be moving towards combat quickly and once there my dispel dice should be high enough to stop most magic. Also I could just add the DS to the great shaman.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

This unit needs shields, I'd swap this unit's banner for a War Banner - the banner of butchery is more suited to units with higher amounts of attacks or higher strength.

They have shields, note the S in italics. I did consider the War Banner and still am, as said this is only a first draft.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

You know my stance in AHW's, so I won't bore you with it again!

Bah!!

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Add 1 more fanatic.

Adding fanatics I'm sure of, while most say six isn't many I'm unsure. Yes they'll do lots of damage but they also push my cheapish NGs units up by another 25pts each, they stand a good chance of being a sacrifical unit and the more costly they are the worse for me.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Squigs are awesome! Add more herders to keep your herd under control, another 5-6 would be good. Also, you need to have one more squig in order to have 3 hoppers, I'd add 4 more and another hopper too, and have your herders at 10-12 in number to make it a nicely sized unit.

I have thought about increasing these, more squigs is what I want. Less I'll need more herders but IMO they're less important, squigs are fun. ^_^

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Both units are good. Just remember to keep the trolls close to your general at all times, at Ld 4 they are guaranteed to be stupid the entire game if you leave them alone!

Yep, was considering using the trolls as a flanking/shock unit. Dead centre of the battle line will have my opponents worried a bit.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

A good option, goblins on spiders would look great, and I think there are some nice looking monstrous spiders in the Reaper range that you could use. Something to consider if you can use non-GW mini's. Otherwise, I thinkl wolf riders would be perfectly accepatble, I'd make them night goblin wolf riders to blend in with your other units in the army though (just use NG chest / heads and arms and common gobbo legs).

I'll look into this, would be fun to do but my converting skills are limited. I'll keep this option open.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

A good option, but you already have 4 units that will be able to hold the lines for you and grind your foes to a halt, what I think that you need is some hard hitting combat power to win combats for you - ractically speaking of-course. Fluff-wise, another unit of NG's would indeed compliment the feel of your list.

I suppose, but is four units horde-y enough?

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Once again, you don't need another infantry unit clogging up your side of the board, I think a small unit of BO's with GW's would be better than AHW orcs for hitting power and flanking duties. Keep the unit size down to 10-12 and add a Boss (he'd be s7 and make matchwood of chariots) for more hitty power and musician as well.

I did consider BOs but I thought the small unti would be terribley vunerable and easy pickings, especially with GWs.

Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater

Always take full command for your block units, remember that they will be near your general's unit most of the time, and will benefit from his Ld value, and not use thier own measly value. As for fanatics, I think 6 would be near the maximum before the field starts getting a little too cluttered, so what you have at the moment is definitely fine.

Kinda figured this, just checking because I've seen people say the FC is pointless and is an easy 100vps (banner).

Thanks for the comments from all, keep them coming but this is my first draft list. I will knock up a few others, but this army is for fun and won't see action but occassionally as I suck with my dwarfs. So I have plenty of time to add other stuff to it for options, but I just need a fun looking list for the event I'm taking part in.

KU