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Originally Posted by Black Katalyst I vote Death Guard.
Eldar's only cc units are the Scorpians and Banshees.
The Scorpians are great in cc, but will hit on 4+ and wound on 5+. The DG will hit on 4+ and wound on 3+. Both the champion and exarch have powerfists, the exarch hits better though. I think what will win the combat for DG is their True Grit. Even if the Scorpians charge, every DG will have 2 attacks, 3 for the champ.
The banshees are another beastly unit in combat, but their effectiveness drops due to their wounding on 6's. |
Okay, 2 key points here: first, you're assuming that the eldar go for close combat. They could deploy the falcon and a wave serpent forward, then fall back and give the eldar 3 solid turns of shooting, which would take out all the havocs and terminators (with average luck).
After that the scorpions can charge, sure. Big thing you're forgetting though: sure the DG get 2 attacks a piece, but scorpions get 4 attacks per, and the exarch gets 5 (including mandiblaster). Also, eldar have higher initiative, meaning several DGs won't strike back, and they outnumber individual DG squads.
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Vypers and War Walkers both have the same down fall, AV10 open top. These can be drowned out in ranged bolter fire or a DS of the terminators firing their reaper autocannons.
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Given that they outrange the bolters (since the DG will be advancing, 12" range), they should be okay for a while.
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As for setting up, I do think infiltrate will severely comprimise eldar's speed.
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If eldar were to charge this would be a problem, but given that they aren't trying to just do a brainless charge, this isn't too much of a problem.
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As for what The Wamp states, that is all true. But his tactics rely on too many facotrs. Yes Eldar can get 3 rounds of shooting, only if they go first. Yes Eldar can kill 7 DG a turn, but thats only if they have LOS with EVERY SHOOTING UNIT. Yes they can take out the havocs and terminators, but thats if they are positioned in front of every marine killing gun Edar has and if the terminators aren't DSed.
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Going first is a factor, but LOS is not. First, they are skimmers: drawing LOS is rediculously easy: they can move 12", sit on top of cover, and still shoot. Second, for the warwalkers, all they have to do is get LOS at ONE of those squads
If the Termis deepstrike, they'd be sitting ducks for a turn during which they could easily be slaughtered.
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3) Havocs - I pity the squad trying to charge these guys, unless they are the Banshees (who are capable of unloading, and getting to combat).. if the Scorpions try to get it against them, they will most probably get roasted with all of the rapid firing plasma that these guys can unleash on them. Great objective holders and able to get out a very nice amount of close to medium ranged fire (up to 24"), they can cause some damage on everything; the War Walkers will probably fall relatively easy against them.
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2 Things: First, why can't the scorpions simply deply and charge (they can do this if the transport doesn't move till after they deploy). Thus, no plasma. Second, given that they're sitting back far enough the warwalkers will EASILY blast these guys.
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1) Lord + Retinue - Not quite as effective as they would have been vs. the Dark Angels, they can still make for a nice fire-soaker as well as a good damage-dealer.
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Against starcannons, these guys will be slaughtered. Given 2-3 turns worth of shooting, this shouldn't be hard (killing them in addition to the havocs. Honestly, they'd be just as weak as any other unit, since AP is a joke.
Overall though... it'd be close. HA! my post is as long as lost nemesis's.
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Lictor; make sure you read the rules. You need to put your vote in bold, and unfortunately you need more than just one line talking about your vote.
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Sounds like he was sick, so it's understandable.