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Chaos begat Dark Magic and Dark Magic begat Necromancy, does that mean a chaos sorcerer can control the undead? Or use dark magic.
I'm not the biggest fantasy expert, but I'm going to guess not, in both cases..
At the end of the day, Chaos, even Nurgle, is about the infinite nature of possibility as much as anything else. Death is sort of the end of that possibility, it's a cold, stagnant form of magic which promises the end of everything. Even the Chaos gods fear dying and ceasing to exist.
With dark magic, I think it's a different level of refinement. Chaos magic happens when someone opens their soul absolutely to the power of chaos. Chaos magi throw around vast amounts of raw power with limited control. Dark mages, on the other hand, struggle to refine that raw power into a form they can bind and control through careful manipulation and study.
Once you've ripped your soul open to embrace the power of chaos, any kind of restraint or refinement has got to become quite difficult. Power is a gift, it flows instinctively, it isn't something you struggle to refine or control. I suppose an extremely disciplined chaos sorcerer might be able to channel similar effects to dark magic by focusing and restraining himself, but why bother when the power which flows naturally is just as strong?
I can also see Chaos magic achieving effects similar to Necromancy sometimes, but without actually being Necromancy. I can see a Nurgle sorceror, for example, animating the dead inhabitants of a plague-ridden village and making them dance around like puppets, but not necessarily calling thousand year old skeletal warriors from their tombs. One plays on the raw human fear of death and the powers of disease. The other just makes corpses into moving servants.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; August 13th, 2008 at 23:12.
I have heard chaos magic Tzzentch in particular being magic in its purest form, whereas high and dark magic is "pure" magic according to the HE and DE. My guess if you refine chaos magic you get high or dark magic. and Necromancy if you go dark magic, or the other 8 lores if you go high.
That's not quite right. The magic that pours from the northern wastes comes actually in 8 distinct "winds". These are the 8 lores of magic we are all familiar with, light magic is a blend of all of these - essentially its netural and uses essenses from all of them. Necromancy and Dark Magic are similar, but the balance is shifted away from neutrality. So, both focus of the darker sources of magic.
I think, I don't have any of my books close at hand to be absolutely sure. However, I would suggest checking out the WHRP "Realms of Sorcery". If I remember right, this has an extensive section about the origins of magic in the warhammer world.
So chaos magic is the "true neutral" of lores then.
Dark magic, as I recall, is a corrupt version of the magical winds, when they stop flowing and stagnate. I can't remember if it's any particular wind or not.
I think chaos magic uses the raw winds, but doesn't refine them or control them as much as empire wizards do. Something like that.
Check the book, if you can. It will be a lot clearer that my blathering.
Dark magic is raw and uncontrolled, High Magic is refined and takes away the raw corrupting energy of Dark magic. Necromancy is somwhere between the Lore of Death as wielded by Amethyst wizards and the Dark magic of the Dark ELves. Remember that necromancy itself was created by Nagash, corrupting the rituals of the priests on Nehekara and fusing it with Dark magic to create a new art. The likelihood is that the mortuary rites of Khemri probably invoked the Lore of Death in some way, although not in the way a wizard would wield it.
As Dark magic and necromancy are similar, it s likely that proponents of the two could learn one or the other, certainly if mere men can use necromancy, I see no reason Elves would be unable to, its probably just beneath them, and Elves are not preoccupied with Death in the same way as men as they are extremely long-lived
I was asking because the concept of Vampire Dark Elves has come to mind. Juts seeing if it would work fluff wise
In a word yes.
But GW prefers in game terms to make things simpler by having an either/or policy for obvious reasons.
Its also worth noting that Chaos Sorcerers generally get their magic as gifts from the gods, that is to say although its all from the winds of magic the ability to actually cast new spells is a gift.
Necromancy on the other hand is learnt, and often becomes an obsession. That is why it is rare to find a Chaos Sorcerer who is also a Necromancer. On the other hand a Necromancer who turned to Chaos may well have additional powers added to his own.
In terms of Vampires worshiping Chaos, there is a question as to a vampires soul and without getting to metaphysical Chaos gods want a beings soul, if a vampire doesn't have one then they are probably not interested.
A Vampire dark elf is perfectly plausible in the warhammer world.
There is an Elf Liche that inhabits the depths of Karak Azgal, (there is also a Giant Slayer Wight but thats another story).
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Elf Liches? Yes, definitely, a Liche is a viable path for a Dark Elf obsessed with necromancy (or even a High Elf for that matter) to take, however, I don;t know whether the curse of vampirism and the blood kiss etc would work on anything other than a mortal man...
As for vampires vs Chaos - Chaotics subject themselves to the will of the Chaos gods, Vampries, it appears, do things for their own glory, and Vampires are after control of the material world, possibly sharing Nagash's dream of a realm of undeath, but the Chaos Gods of course require living souls to worship them...