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Ive been thinking about the very cool mentionings of a possible druchii civil war between the cult of khaine and the cult of slanesh
I am trying to develop a theme army based on a druchii witch king loyalist who made deals with a vampire family -- this would be two seperate armies mind you I would just use a similar color scheme and bannering ; and possibly a dark elf necro as one of my casters in vamp army.
either way I just wanted to know if such an alliance would conflict with lore in any way ; and if any of you can see a problem with a slaver Khainite having mutual interests to a minor vampire family?
Im hoping for a civil war between the druchii as an eventual suplement as well do you guys see this happening?-- not to make seperate armies but to show a conflict between malekith and his mother.
but discuss any fluff concepts for druchii/vampire alliances or stories behind alliances focusing on a central theme to unite the two armies -- not use them together mind you just unite them banner and campaign wise
Last edited by Concilliator; September 2nd, 2008 at 02:19.
The only thing that spring to mind for me (not knowing all that much about Dark Elf cults and what have you) is that it would likely be a very strained alliance.
Both Dark Elves and Vampires seem very ambitious, and while they may work together it wouldn't so much be a case of 'working together' as 'exploiting the other side for all their worth without letting them know what I'm playing at.'
You possibly already thought of that, though...
Well I had three choices as far as I saw it -- because the oldest Druchii are ancient sorcerous creatures in their own right
1. Dread lord of unnamed black ark -- discovers some human texts perhaps a book of nagash and learns to construct some rudimentary vampires-- culminating in a few failures ( varghul, strigoi models for failed vampire constructs then a few human successes)
2. Dread lord of unnamed black ark -- takes a necromancers coven as slaves and they reveal the location of an unnamed group of vampires promptly he has the vampires enslaved by his chief sorceress and has them live in the underhalls of black ark as a contingent of his slavetaking and raiding force * last sentence applies to all
3 . Dread lord of unnamed black ark -- is turned into a vampire through choice or failure, claims black ark but retains his lordly trappings by ruthlessness( of course the armies wont cross over remember just be painted the same; and I wont be giving anyone vamp powers just maybe a sorcerer male less than malekith but still a warrior sorc in de army but in vamp army a vamp lord.
So, if I am reading this correctly, you intend to build a Dark Elf army using Dark Elf minis, and a Vampire army using the Vampire minis. Your fluff will revolve around the possibility of a war between Malekith and Morathai. The Dark Elves you are building are loyal to Malekith, and have gone abroad to form an alliance with the Vampire counts. Now, here are my thoughts on this:
1) the vampires return, with the dark elves, to Nagaryth? Why would they leave their tombs and kingdoms to follow along? I know you mentioned the possibility that they were enslaved, but can even the Dark Elves expect to enslave a full coven of vampires? And why would they then let those prisoners raise an army?
2) If your DreadLord is creating Vampires, why would he use human subjects? This would imply that he is using slaves, and once again- why would you let a slave raise an army? If he is testing this on his fellow Druchii, wouldn't the army have a distinctly Dark Elf flavor to it? And if anyone is raising an army on DE territory, there will be no human skeletons or wights, as no human has attempted to invade Nagaryth.
3) If the Dark Elf himself is turned into a vampire, why would he then take his progenitors back across the sea? They would compete for food, power, and leadership because the coven who turned him would likely prefer to stay in their own empire. If the Dread Lord turns, he'd likely attempt to turn his most trusted nobles into thralls, and then return to Nagaryth at the head of a powerful undying army.
So I guess what I'm asking is: Why make two armies? More than likely, you'd be looking at making an army of Dark Elf vampires. It'd be a really cool conversion, it would certainly turn heads, the fluff would be incredible, and you could use the rules interchangeably. Corsairs could become GraveGaurd, undead Cold One Knights swap to BloodKnights and Chariots become corpse carts. There is a well converted High Elf army that uses the same idea.
As to the supplement of a potential Civil War in Nagaryth, I am 99% certain that it will never happen. The only attempt at something like that was the Lustria book, which covers the war between the LM and the Skaven. The book failed because it was targeted at a very small amount of buyers. I cannot see GW, in it's current state, attempting to release a similar text right now that would result in 3 official DE lists, a new and massive element of the fluff, and far too many changes to what is a static and balanced world at the moment.
good response ---- well I want to make two armies just because I want to paint them ! -- but I need to work out some of those fluff details-- I like the idea of converting my old dark elves into a vampire army ; I have lots of old warriors, executioners etc
the sticker is just are there any reasons a vampire lord and a powerful druchii noble or raider would form any sort of relationship--- at first it was based on the Druchii haveing the power but what about a vampire being able to dominate a black ark?
An alliance between two of the most evil, self centered, ambitious races in the Warhammer world.....what could possibly go wrong........
I love the idea, I'm proud to be a part of it.......
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Well, this is a bit of a stretch, since it's bringing in non-gw lore, but:
In order for a vampire to return to his unlife, he requires some of the ground which he was burried in to be with him. So, if the Dark Elf perhaps stole the vampire's dirt, he could say "i have your lifeblood, you will do my bidding or i will kill you forever". Now, this isn't like Davy-Jones's hear in Pirates of the Carribean, because the VC will still have his free will. He's just being blackmailed, so it's up to him what happens.
Alternatively, whenever a vampire brings another person into the fold (so to speal), that person is a 'thrall' and is sort-of 'brainwashed' into following the vampire's master plan. Now, the person may be able to break free if they have a strong will (like a dark elf noble would) but they might also like being a vampire and choose to stay. In this case, you'd have a noble, keeping a nasty secret, leading the Dark Elf force. But once again- why would the Vampire head to Nagaryth unless he was trying to take it over. Heh- that might work actually...
Finally, GW would give you enough material to claim that the alliance is over some kind of artifact, but there'd be so much potential for a royal backstabbing there that it's ridiculous.
Like I said though- how would a vampire raise a whole army of humans on Dark Elf soil? He'd be raising dead High and Dark Elves who'd fought there for centuries. He might be able to get some Chaos warriors, or Lizardmen, or Amazonians who the Dark Elves have fought off since they reached the new world, and maybe a couple million human slaves, but it wears armor, it's gonna be a Dark Elf.
yeah you could actually mix the artifact/enslaved druchii dreadlord/vampire with eyes on land of chill---I mean the dark elves are notorious slave traders, or takers rather--- the vampire if it had a slaver dread lord would obviously never want for meals, and would have great access to the coasts and places of power in the world, and the size of the black ark would allow native soil ifyou wanted to put that in-- I kinda like the idea of the vampires/ druchii sharing a black ark; not so much a forced alliance but immutable bond--- perhaps some kind of magical misstep causing the life of the dreadlord to be tied to the lives of the vampires or something--- or have the vampire dominate; but probably the dreadlord, unless he was malekith of morathi, could have no ability to dominate an anciet vampire lord.
Hey, just had a few ideas pop into my head. As I type them out I'll realise they probably don't work, but until then...
Could the Dark elves, on a raid, end up stealing an elaborate casket that in fact contains the Vampire? The Vampire wakes and is none too happy, probably the Elves would be all for killing him, but perhaps the Dreadlord manages to make some deal; we'll give you a share of our slaves, you'll use your powers to help us on our conquest... or I'll loose my troops on you and burn your casket... Just so the Vampire doesn't really have a say in the matter.
Or, a more civil arrangement - the Dark Elves capture some fleeing peasants. A vampire shows up, claiming that he was hunting the peasants, and that the Elves owe him his meal. The quick-thinking Dreadlord proposes an arrangement similar to the one above, promising the Vampire a percentage of their 'catch' and they decide to work together for a bit.
I don't know what circumstances the Vampire would be in the same place as the Dreadlord, but I'm sure something can be worked out.
nagash developed the very foundations of his necromantic powers with the help of dark elves , i think a possible alliance along the lines of dark elf using magic to control the VC entirely possible if thought out properly!