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Okay, it states Negash created the undead and vampires. I am certain that he had some help. I am thinking that Tzeentch maybe had a hand in this. It invovles magic, and is the most profound of all changes; from life to Death to undeath. How do we know that the Storm that shipwrecked the dark elves onto Nehekara wasn't started by tzeentch. GW likes to be vague about stuff like this.
If a Million Guardsmen die, that's a statistic. If one marine dies, that's a tragedy.
Undead stuff has always permeated the world where Dark magic settles. Tzeentch is about life, evolution, change, scheming etc. Tzeentch and the other Chaos Gods for that matter, need LIVING mnortal followers to garner power. They have no use for the soul-less dead.
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I agree, I think all gods/deities need worship to exist, and undead just don't do that . Creating necromancy sounds like just the thing that a human would be obsessed enough to do, and that kind of person wouldn't believe in a god, so why would they help him. To be fair though, he did use dark magic to do it, but I don't think that's connected to any dark elf gods......
It has nothing to do with gods. He had help from the Dark Elves, who DO have immortality spells which are related to blood (just look at their witches). However, he coerced them into helping him, and they only taught him rudimentary magic, which is why Vampires have their own lore.
From there, he had hundreds of slave-mages toiling for him to create the perfect elixir. It should be noted that Nagash is not a Vampire. The elixir which he created only really worked for him, and other humans were turned to vampires. From there, it was simply a matter of those humans infecting others in turn. Good sources for this are both undead books. The Vampire Counts book gives a summary of the story, because the important wars for the Vampires took place much more recently. The Tomb Kings book however discusses Neferatta herself, and the war between the soon-to-be Tomb Kings and the Vampires, which destroyed both races.
But the entire Death Night ceremony must be related to Khaine in some way, which would mean khaine must have granted Nagash divine aid or some such thing. Either that or the DE cult is actually just based on magic, which Nagash learnt, pretending to be miracles, which could involve chaos. But I'm not sure how much influence Tzeentch actually has over the winds of magic. So all this is just theory
tzeentch is the wind of magic.
Ok, here is my take on it. The dark elves were working on dark magic. This was all about sucking the life out of the living. When they arrived in Nehekhra they showed it to Nagash. He took it and experimented in reversing the effect. Putting life into the dead. This would help with the immortality. Then he created the perfected elixier of life. He lost his place and books. He probably didn't record the full version of the elixier so that only he knew the full secret. When Neferata took the elixier she had an incomplete transformation. There is the origin of the vampires.
Tzeentch is not the winds of magic, although he is a great magician. The winds of magic are raw warp energy- Tzeentch is just best at manipulating it. There is no Chaos involved in the birth of the vampires. None whatsoever. Just like there was no chaos involved in the birth of the Dark Elves (yes, i know everyone points to the Cult of Slaanesh, but that was just GW capitalism and has since been forgotten).
Going back to your original post about Tzeentch having a hand in something as subtle as the elven shipwreck, then yes- that's a possibility. But there are two ways to view Tzeentch: either he is master of all twists of fate, or he is capable of twisting fate if he chooses. The shipwreck may well have just been a coincidence. Long and short of it: the Vampires are atheists, they don't worship or make sacrifices to gods, so why would a god want to create them? Ditto Nagash.
Oh that is nice. Finally someone has agreed with me. Usually someone goes 'no that is nothing like what happened...' and they go into a huge little rant about how I am wrong.
Ok, that is usually because they are my friends and that is expected and then there is the fact that I only notice what I can be bothered to notice.
I agree that the vampires worship no gods. If they did they would have different magic or it may well be mentioned in the army books. That is about it.
firstly, I agree that vampires definitely don't worship anything, or consider anything a higher power. Also I think its very likely that the creation of vampires had nothing to do with any god, like I said earlier. However, until proven otherwise....
This is a fictional world, so beyond what GW have made up about it we have figure things out for ourselves, until they elaborate, which doesn't seem likely in this case. I don't think you can say that the cult of Khaine is simply magic derived from the winds coming from chaos plus blood/life energy. In the game Death Hags aren't wizards, neither are assassins, and the cauldron of blood has effects which aren't related to magic in anyway; then there is also their gifts of Khaine. Reading the DE book though, it seems to imply that the cauldrons are connected to Morathi, so they could be just enchanted by magic, but that would make it hard for the darks elves to teach Nagash blood related magic if witch elves don't know magic, and sorceresses don't use blood for immortality as far as I'm aware.
On a side note, aren't all elves basically immortal anyway, so why the need for bathing in blood? I'm starting to think that the dark elves didn't teach Nagash anything truly significant, maybe contact with 'immortal' beings gave him enough drive to finally succeed.
P.S. sorry, just realised that was unnecessarily long to not answer the original question