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So I wanted to make Greco-Roman themed army. I've (unofficially) chosen to use the High Elf list to represent them. The increased stat line fits with the experience that roman/greek soldiers had from years of training. The spearmen fit the Phalanx style of fighting, with archers and bolt throwers for support. Also the charriots and cavalry finishes the typical greek army. To add a bit of flare I'm using a unit of DoW mauraders to represent galdiators. So the fluff below i found for a small principality in Tilea. Some people have been telling me to go straight up DoW or Empire to represent the army bu ti disagree. Given the fluff below... what do you guys think?
The Tormented Principality of Tobaro*
The city that would become known as Tobaro was once a fortress for the High Elves. The elves vacated the fortress after the War of the Beard and returned to there native land of Ulthuan. Human fishermen that were native to this area came to inhabit the abandoned fortress. The fortress over the centuries became a city and about 1 AS (After Sigmar) Tobaro became a City State.
During the Arabian Crusades the ports of Tobaro was use as a landing port for the Bretonnians and other Tilean Mercenaries, since it was a quick jaunt over the Abasko Mountains to Estalia. Sultan Jaffar did not like the fact the Estalians reinforcements were coming from Tobaro. In the year 1448, the Sultan sent a fleet of Corsairs to destroy the city. The walls of the outer city never wavered and the Arabians were turned back to their dhows. This proved to be a major victory for the allied forces.
In the year 1563, Skaven had broken though the catacombs the Elves had built under the fortress that had become Tobaro. They quickly over whelmed the defenders. The Prince of Tobaro, Meldo Marcelli, escaped the city with half of his forces and most of his ships and Man-O-Wars. He and the rest of his army landed in Remas, were he had used his vast wealth hire a vast mercenary army, including the elite contingent of Remas.
He returned to Tobaro with out delay with his army and High Elf reinforcements. They stormed the city, the foul rat-men put up little resistance, and were pushed back in to the catacombs where they were finally defeated. Now many of the catacomb tunnels were walled up and a garrison of mercenaries is permanently posted beneath the city.
Tobaro remained a principality, but only just. Less than three centuries after the heroic recapture of the city by Meldo Marcelli, his family had held on to the principality in one way or another, and was finally split in to quarrelling factions. There were several eligible candidates who claimed the title of prince. While they were planning each other's downfall, a prophecy began to circulate around town. This prophecy stated that the next Prince of Tobaro would meet a terrible end. The rival factions agreed to play it safe and they elected a pig to preside on the council of citizens as Prince, at least until the prophecy came to pass. Nothing happened! Years passed and the pig wore the hat and gold chain of the office of Prince. Remarkably, Tobaro was peaceful during the rein of Piggolo I, the name that the people have given to the pig. The would-be contenders for the princedom began to worry and one even plotted to kill Piggolo I. Then it was pointed out that if any one had 'assassinated' the pig, they would in fact be committing treason and would be executed himself! Piggolo I lived until old age, until he, while inspecting the guard, fell off the battlements into the sea.
At this time only one contender rival was still alive, and he assumed the throne without opposition. Tobaro has remained a princedom, despite several attempts to make it a republic.
to see the map go here. (Tobaro is just south of Skavenblight) http://www.fys.ku.dk/~blicher/Tilea.jpg
*courtesy of WikiPedia
Good idea to try to give an army an ancients feel, just a couple of things:
Graeco-Roman in terms of armies seems a bit mixed up.
The Greeks used pikemen, romans used heavy infantry with throwing javelins
and short sowrds. Romans used Gladiators, Greeks didn't.
Also, the Greeks (and the Romans) had very few cavalry, and use of chariots
had died out well before the Greeks fought the Romans.
I'm not trying to diss the idea (sorry if it comes across that way), I'm just saying
that the "Graeco-Roman" idea itself is a bit of a mish-mash. Maybe concentrate
on one or the other.
Heroic Age Greeks: phalanx, some cavalry, a couple of chariots and a few archers
Roman: Heavy Infantry (phoenix guard?), Gladiators (duellists?), Cavalry,
Bolt Throwers, a few archers and you could even have some spearmen too
(allied Italian infantry).
I did have an idea for a Cathaginian army ... and I came up with Orcs and Goblins (!)
Wolf riders count as Numidian light cav
Boar Riders as heavy cav
Chariots as elephants
Orc boyz with spears as infantry
Savage Orc Boyz as Gallic tribal allies
Savage Orc Big'uns as Celt-Iberians
Goblin archers as skirmishing slingers/archers.
or Dark Elves ...
Dark Riders as Numidians
Coks as Heavy cav
Spearmen as ... er ... spearmen
Corsairs as spansih/gauls
Xbows as cretan archers
Skirmishers as slingers
Hydras as elephants
So the question is, which fits better? Or is there a better choice?
Ya-I get the feeling neither of you have a very good understanding about the ancient Greeks and Romans.
First, gladiatorial combat was a popular sport. The gladiators themselves were not in the army- they were much more valuable as sporting heroes.
Second, the Roman army is famed for its tactics & units-for instance the Tortoise formation-you know, the one when they formed a 'shell' out of their shields. These legionairres would be your core units-perhaps you could make some Dwarf unit and give them Ogre shields?
For the main shooty bits they had bowmen-use empire archers for these. Actually, empire archers are nowhere near well-armoured enough. Replace their torsos with High Elf ones. Give them good helmets and shortswords, too.
The artillery was amazing, they had bolt throwers, threbuchets-you can use almost anything but blackpowder weapons for this.
Their cavalry was usually made out of mercenaries or auxilaries-just put some archer on an elven horse.
That should be a good starter.
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Just goes to show what happens when I go into "Rome:Total War" mode!
Yeah, the Romans didn't use Gladiators in war - but this is fantasy after all!
Actually, when I'm not full of cold and remembering all my history from games
and TV, I do know quite a lot about the subject. :wacko:
Dwarves would make a good "tortoise" unit. But it wasn't much used on the
battlefield outside of sieges.
And are you talking early Roman army or late? Eastern or Western?
(Disappears off to find anorak ...)
The plan was more of a greek phalanx, the Alexander's army, themed. But with a little Roman flair just to give the army some uniqueness. The way i was looking at it was not to exactly mimic either culture but draw from both.
I love your Punic Army ideas. Out of them I think the orcs and goblins fit a little better (IMHO). The animosity rules could cover conflicts/confusion arrising from the polyglot nature of the army. (as an aside the Carthaginians from WHAB can make a good match-up against my fiances dark elves)
@ original poster; I love the idea. Don't feel to confined by history. After all the Holy Roman Empire never actualy had Griffons. You're going for a cool artistic motif here, not historical accuracy. Go for the WOW factor. Its your army, enjoy it and run with the idea.