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    Orion In Wild Riders

    Hi there, so this came up the other evening. My opponent was playing with Orion and had him in a unit of Wild Riders. Now not knowing a lot about him I looked up his rules and noticed he's not mounted. According the the only relevant rules I can find only mounted characters can join Fast Cav units.

    Now in the Wood Elf book you see pictures of wood elf armies with Orion in units of wild riders and the fluff suggests that he is accompanied by the wild riders.

    Can anyone show me where the rules allow him to go into a unit please?

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    Unbreakable Characters Pg Can't say for sure reads more or less: Unbreakable characters can only join Unbreakable units, and non-unbreakable characters and yadda yadda ya.

    As for the picture, based on that logic, you can take Empire Knights in Brettonian units (see the Brett army picture in the BR. As for the fluff thing, I agree, and really wish Orion could join them, but its the same with WR characters. The Helm of the Hunt (how much more WRish can you get) is unavailable to them, not being a suit of armour. Stupid, but it's the rules.

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    Dude, seriously, 2 threads down!

    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...haracters.html

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    He can join them perfectly fine. Nothing against it anywhere. They are just no longer Fast Cav.

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    Orion cannot join wild riders as he in un-breakable and wile riders are breakable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Dude, seriously, 2 threads down!

    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...haracters.html

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    He can join them perfectly fine. Nothing against it anywhere. They are just no longer Fast Cav.
    But P70 clearly says "Mounted character models may join fast cavalry units . . . " telling me that non-mounted character models cannot join Fast Cav units, as although p72 says characters can the Character entry of the Fast Cav section specifies Mounted Models . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von_Smallhousen View Post
    But P70 clearly says "Mounted character models may join fast cavalry units . . . " telling me that non-mounted character models cannot join Fast Cav units, as although p72 says characters can the Character entry of the Fast Cav section specifies Mounted Models . . .
    No... read it again, differently. Mounted Chars may join Fast Cav, and in doing so the unit remains fast cav. There is nothing saying other Chars cannot join, but if they do then the unit is no longer fast.

    Turns out the Unbreakable rule overrides this anyway.

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    There is no rule preventing Orion from joining fast cav.

    Page 72 says characters can join fast cav.

    Check page 70, second column. Characters can join fast cav and move as cav, but not shoot as fas cav
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    Thing is, he can't join them anyway, because he's Unreabkable, and they're not. Characters Psychology section (can't remember specific pages).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonFarseerGuy View Post
    Thing is, he can't join them anyway, because he's Unreabkable, and they're not. Characters Psychology section (can't remember specific pages).

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    Page 79. How disappointing.
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    yes alot of wood elf players get this wrong mainly because it says if you take dogs with orion you cannot join other units. But since you can never join another wood elf unit, since no unit is unbreakable, this rule is rendered useless. also in the book it has orion in a unit of wild riders. this may be because he could join them in old 6th edition rules.

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