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ok I'm VERY confused here:
in regards to the armor saves provided by the following, am I correct with these numbers?
shield only: 6+(5+ in cc)
light armor only: 6+
shield AND light armor: 5+(4+ in cc)
heavy armor: 4+
heavy armor AND Shield: 3+(2+ in cc)
is this right? I think I'm getting the +1 for shields in close combat mixed up, are you supposed to add it again in CC if you've alreaded added it's +1 normally?
or is it supposed to look like this?
shields only: no save (6+ in cc)
light armor: 6+
light armor AND shields: 6+(5+ in cc)
heavy armor: 4+
heavy armor AND shield: 4+(3+ in cc)
wow im confused...
Last edited by Hurtinator; December 19th, 2008 at 16:14.
Light Armor: +1
Heavy Armor: +2
Hand Weapon and Shield in CC: +1
You only get the extra shield +1 if you are using it with a regular hand weapon and are in close combat. If you are getting shot at or are wielding a magical weapon, you don't get that bonus. Also, keep in mind that if you are engaged in your flank or rear, you lose that bonus.
So, for Light Armor, Shield, and Hand Weapon, you are at a 5+/4+. The 5+ being out of CC, and the 4+ in.
Heavy Armor, Shield, and Hand Weapon is 4+/3+. 4+ out of CC and 3+ in. Hope this helped.
yup thats perfect, ty for the help
Also note that cavalry models do NOT recieve the +1 save in combat for using the hand weapon/shield combo.
On a similar question lets say i have a unit on night gobs charging some dwarf warriors. Since they do not get the bonuses of using a spear on there first turn can it be claimed that they charged using a handweapon and a shield to get the extra save bonus?
2. Is a spear a handweapon?
"Ah, but the truth is like an expensive whore, Jerek. She comes in many dresses and will bend over for any with the money to pamper her." ~ Konrad von Carstein
They can use hand weapon and shield but then they have to use hand weapon and shield the whole combat till someone breaks or is destroyed.
2. A spear is NOT a hand weapon.
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Also of note, you do get the parry bonus for shield + hand weapon if the shield is magical. As stated above though, the hand weapon itself has to remain mundane.
So he did. My apologises, I misread that message.