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    Waaaaargh Spel Vs Elves

    Hi all

    some advice please

    if a unit of orcs charges eleves due to the effects of waargh spell how is combat resolved.

    The spell rules say Orc strike first and re-roll misses.

    Elves always strike first and re-roll misses if I is higher (which it is)

    My take is from the Rule book "if both have always striek first the effect cancels each other out and they strike using I order and lose re-rolls"

    So elves would strike first due to higher I and no one gets re-rolls.

    My friend says elves would streek frist due to higher I with no re-rolls however orc would get re-rolls as its from a spell rather than the always strike first rule.

    This seems unfair as the elves are quicker than the orcs, they are suffering because of the spells effect so they cant re-roll but should orcs get the re-roll ?

    commnets and suggestions are much apriciated.

    Lee


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    I would agree with your friend. The orcs reroll doesn't have anything to do with the ASF/higher I rule. It is coming from a totally different effect.

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    i'd have to agree with your friend also as while the elves are in deed nible and quick of wit your orcs would be powered with rawr waaagh magiks which is not the same as re-rolls due high I + ASF, but unless i miss read the BRB (which has happended in the past) i belive tis if both sides have ASF they stike at the same time.

    ASF + ASL cancel eah otehr out and force attacks to be made at I value.

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    they both strike at the same time(roll the dice at the same time)
    the orcs get their re-roll from the spell, an HE don't re-roll.

    In the end the orcs kill a couple of elves more than usual, but the high elves should still be able to win the combat.
    If they can't the HE player has made a mistake somewhere
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    elves hit orcs on 3+ wound on 5+ then orc gets base save no mod (unless its sword masters or cav)
    orcs hit elves on 4+ with re-roll wound on 4+ elf gets base save no mod(based on Hw+Sh equiptd orcs)

    basic elf save is 5+ light armour + shield but as most melee elves have spears they wont get parry save
    orcs Light armour + shield 5+/6++ as no real point giving spears to them tbh (goblins on other hand spears kick it)

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    ok nice 1 so just to be clear

    We strike at the same time but the orcs get to re-roll their misses.

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    yup thats the short of it

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    no i would say the elves strike first due to their higher I. the ASF is gone but i would say that the eleves higher I still allows them to strike first.no re-roll for them tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guardman View Post
    no i would say the elves strike first due to their higher I. the ASF is gone but i would say that the eleves higher I still allows them to strike first.no re-roll for them tho.
    You need to read BRB pg 66 pretty soon, I reckon.

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    whoops sorry my bad
    i dunno what i was thinking of
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