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Stupid thing you think i would have figured out by now but for combat resolution you recive bonus' for out numbering and ranks.
So my question is do you get the points before or after the blows have been struck.
So for example is i run 4 orge bulls into 20 ork boys and kill ten do the orks still have the combat resolution of 4(3 ranks, outnumber) or does it change to one since all they would have is a single rank.
IIRC then you calculate rank bonus before you start the CC. Then its kills, any banners, flank charges and so on.
And again IIRC then 1 bull has a US of 3 (but not quite sure, else its 2). So before CC he would have the lead by 3. You kill 10 and I dont know if the orkses made any wounds so you would lead by 7. If both of you have banner or there isent any other special banner nearby, you would still lead by 7. And finally (if the US is 3 per ogre) you would lead by 8.
Not 100 % sure that this is correct. Plz correct if im wrong.
The ranks and outnumbering count BEFORE blows have been struck.
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Yeah, everything is calculated after combat except ranks. However things that affect ranks are also calculated before (Example: A unit of US 6 charge another in the flank, negating the ranks of the unit. By the end of combat, that unit is now US 4, no longer able to negate ranks. However, seeing as ranks are calculated before combat begins (or blows are struck), the units ranks are still negated for that combat).
Also, just a question that my example brought into my mind....Does a unit of US less than 5 still get the +1 bonus for flank charges and the +2 bonus for rear charges? Or does that go away too?
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if a unit under US5 charges the rear or flank of a unit, it does nothing. i dont even think it negates ranks. ranks are taken from befor combat, then combat itself, then wounds and other mods. it can get confusing with 6 units in one combat, but it makes sense once you know how to look at it.
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Nope, a unit has to have a unit strength of 5+ throughout the combat for their side to get a +1/+2 for flank/rear charge. So if a unit starts a 5+ but is then reduced to less than 5 by the end of the fight, their side does not gain the bonus (because that bonus is added at the end of the fight.Originally Posted by Master_Bungle
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This is correct.Originally Posted by Tzeentch Lord
As a sum up:
Let's say a unit of 20 Orcs (five wide, four deep) get charged in the flank by three Glade Riders (fast cavalry, unit strength 2 per model, for a total unit strength of 6).
Ranks are calculated at the start of combat, and because the Orcs are being flanked by a unit with unit strength 5 or more, they do not get a rank bonus.
Then, in the combat phase, let's say that the Glade Riders get unlucky and score no kills, whereas the Orcs manage to slay one of the Glade Riders.
It's time to calculate combat res.
The Orcs start off with zero rank bonus, because these are calculated at the start of combat. However, the Glade Riders do not get a Flank Bonus for combat res because they have been reduced to unit strength 4 (only two models remain).
So the Orcs outnumber, probably have a standard, and have scored one kill, so the Glade Riders would take a break test at Ld-3.