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I have a question about how to set up units when there is a model joined to them with a different base size. Now that there is no penalty for being mounted in a unit, how do I organise, say a unit of 19 grave guard, on the small bases, and mounted vampire?
Does the mounted vampire actualy take up two ranks, thus only requireing 18 models in the unit for 4 ranks? And do those first two ranks just get a little fatter due to the larger base the vampire is on? For example X=grave guard and V = vampire
XX V XX
XX V XX
if you have the 7th ed rulebook i know for a fact they describe this exact setup with pictures. if im not mistaken (dont have the book with me) the mounted character just displaced the model spaces it takes up, successfully filling the rank it used. this also includes big mounts that are 40x40 (ie Archaon's mount)
OK, I can see that, but what about the fact that the mounted model is both fatter and wider then the other models in the unit, and thus will stick out the front a few millimeters. Or should I just bump the other models back a bit so they stick out the rear?
Thats a good question which I have thought about a lot. I don't mean to highjack the thead with my own question, but what about a character with a smaller base size, like a goblin chirf, joins a unit with bigger bases, like orcs. Is the frontage of the whole unit smaller, or do you count the goblin as a 25mm instead of 20mm?
well everything that i play with wont allow something with a different size base then a unit join it. are you even sure a goblin can join an orc unit?
what vampire mount are you using that's more wide then the standard base? a nightmare has the same width as "regular" troops like skeletons.
Zombies, skeletons, and graveguard are all mounted on 20mm small infantry bases, while the mounted vampire is on a cav base which is 25mm by 50mm.
Some infantry, such as suraus, chaos warriors, and orcs are on the 25mm square bases.
BustaCaps don't worry about your question, it's the exact same as mine, except in reverse.
Hmmm... if the frontage of the Orc unit lead by a goblin is smaller, what would happen if an opposing unit overruns, dosn't hit the first rank by a few mm as it is smaller, but makes contact with the second rank as it sticks out?
Your original example is right. The cavalry model displaces a model from the second rank. It's inconvenient if you're using standard movement trays, but it's how it goes.
As for ranking up against other models, you do it the same as always. You fit as many into btb contact as possible. The extra 5mm probably won't do much, especially with the cavalry models as their bases aren't a true 25mm.