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Greetings everyone. I am getting back into WFB after a 16 year absense. I dont have the BRB yet (so please dont hack me to bits if this question is to basic.. please. ) My local game store is having a WFB learning tournament. 16 weeks, with the final week being using the Standard Rogue Trader rules. My minis are all from the late 80s 3rd edition ruleset. Anyways, my question is....
Does a mini/unit have to have all of the equipment listed in the army book for its unit type. ie.. Dark Elf Warriors have listed as their equipment --Hand Weapon, Spear, and Light Armor. Does this mean that the mini has to have the spear? Can I make a unit of spearless warriors? No benefit for spears. ie still wysiwyg. Or is that against the rules? None of my Dark Elves have spears. I would prefer not to have to purchase a whole bunch of new minis just to have dark elf spearmen. I also noticed that the witch elves are listed as having 2 weapons. All of mine have 1 weapon and the potential for a shield. bleah. Course witch elf dress code was much more concervative back then. My witch elves are all wearing full chain armor. hehe
Thanks in advance
Oh yeah, this is my first post as well.. yeah me! :sleep:
Welcome to LO, Kheotour.
When it comes to WYSIWYG for many official GW sanctioned tourneys, the answer's yes. Rogue Trader tourneys may be more lenient, and local store-run tourneys more lenient still.
So really you need to ask the tournament organizers and see what they tell you.
For friendly play, people rarely care, and if they did, I wouldn't bother playing them myself. Can't imagine it being too much fun.
One thing you can't do is decide that since your models don't have spears, then they won't have spears in game play. That would be pretty outside the rules, even though it benefits your opponents. I'd be surprised if that was allowed.
To save you a little cash, the rules state somewhere (i will post if I can find a reference) that the majority of the models must be armed in the proper fashion. So you could get a few DE spearmen boxes and put together units on a 3:1 ratio or something like that. You could also have you front rank with hand weapons and the back ranks with spears. I know for my Khemri army my blocks of skeletons are armed with lt arm shield and hand weapon, well I have modeled some missing arms and such so not all have shields or weapons or both. As long as the majority are right you will have no problems....at least on my table.
"...and we shall pave our path to the gods with the Skulls of our fallen foes."
Good point, and sometimes you can get away with making the front rank have the appropriate models. I do that with my VC skeletons which I modeled with spears before I decided that I didn't like the spears. So I put handweapon & shield models in the front rank to represent the entire unit's equipment.
Another option to make them all completely legal would be to add on the appropriate weapons. Ask around for some bits from other gamers. The new plastic sets leave most of us with tons of extra weapons.
It should be easy to stick a plastic high elf, wood elf, or dark elf sword in the off hand of the Witch Elves. For the spearmen, just glue an extra spear to their backs as if they were marching with them. This should make your whole force 100% legal and cost you nothing. Alot of GW stores even have boxes of bits they will let you go through.
As a side note, I love to see an army with really old models. My Dwarf army has generations of plastic Dwarfs in the same unit.
As has already been mentioned, I think it's fine to give the front rank spears and say before the beginning of the game that all units are equipped in the same fashion as its front rank.
You could always fashion your own spears from toothpicks or something similar. Would be a cheap way to do it, and wouldn't really look that much different from the actual GW models^_^
You should aim to have the majority of the unit with the right equipment. If a few models don't, it won't be a big problem - your opponent should still be able to see that the unit has spears (or shields etc etc.).
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
Thanks for all the input guys! I got in touch with the guy running the Tourney and he said it shouldnt be a problem. He said I just need to make sure my opponent knows that it is a unit of Warriors. I am planing on buying some some more minis anyways (cant.... resist.... urge) so I will pick up some of the "new" Dark Elf Warriors for later games. hehe maybe my veteran Warriors can teach em a thing or two. "Boy back in my day we didnt need spears!"
It might be worth noting that I'm pretty sure that DE warriors don't have the option of taking spears, they come with them whether you like it or not. So as the guy said, as long as you identify them as warriors I don't see that there should be much of a problem.
One thing you gotta give to GW is that they don't punish players for using old models. Unlike Wizards of the Coast with MTG, can't play that tinker deck forever my friend. Damn you DCI! Was the main reason I gave up...O_o
Yeah it should be fine
At my local hobby store, I played with pairs of dwarf legs for a few weeks while I painted them (I paint the legs, then attach the torsos which block details on the legs). I just made little signs in MS Word that said "Dwarf Warriors w/hand weapons and Shields", etc. Nobody cared because they could see that I cared about my army (apart from knowing me previously) and I was making weekly progress.
IMO, someone could use plain cavalry bases to represent anything that is supposed to be on a cav base, as long as they tell me what they're supposed to be before the game (and hopefully not change it :shifty, as long as they're willing to be at a disadvantage when figuring line of sight, etc. (to make up for non-existent models)
Again, IMO, WFB is much more about being a skilled and passionate tactician than being a dedicated painter/modeller.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]"There is nothing as sure in the world as the glitter of gold and the treachery of Elves."