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    Slayers vs. Night goblin netters

    So here's a question for those of you who have the dwarf AND O&G books.

    A successful 'netting' by a night goblin unit with netters reduces the strength of attacking enemy models by 1. However, slayers have their slayer special ability to always wound on a 4+, if not better. Which one of these rules trumps if a slayer is 'netted?' Can a (troll) slayer just use the slayer ability to ignore the effects of netting?

    This question was not actually sparked in-game, I was just thinking about how to tackle gobbos (whose rules I don't own) with my dwarves.

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    Right.

    I think it would work something like this -

    Slayers get netted, and are therefore at -1 S for the round of combat. Now, the slayer skill makes the slayer's strength equal to the target's toughness - so his base S would rise against models in contact (in the flank, say) that were T4+. So the slayer skill would raise the S (if necessary, it wouldn't alter vs the gobbos) and then the -1S would be deducted for the nets.

    You base S becomes equal to the targets T (it is not a modifier as such e.g. +1/+2 etc., purely S=T), but is then reduced by the nets. That would be my take on the situation, but dicing off may be preferable if people can't agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rork View Post
    You base S becomes equal to the targets T (it is not a modifier as such e.g. +1/+2 etc., purely S=T), but is then reduced by the nets.
    Which means that the slayer would hit on a 5+...right...
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    If you don't work out a way for both rules to have an affect then you could have problems in the middle of a game. So you could roll a dice to see which special rule takes precedence or a balanced way could involve playing the dwarf slayer special rule of wounding on a 4+ as the rule says there strength is increased to match toughness, but then maybe apply the -1 S modifier to any armour save that may [or may not] be allowed.

    I play O&G all the time and my usual oponent plays dwarfs and we roll each turn to see which rule works and we are fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kooshlord View Post
    A successful 'netting' by a night goblin unit with netters reduces the strength of attacking enemy models by 1. However, slayers have their slayer special ability to always wound on a 4+, if not better. Which one of these rules trumps if a slayer is 'netted?'
    This all depends on what the rule actually says. If it says 'Slayers always wound on a 4+', then strength doesn't even come into the equation, so the netters can knock off a point of the slayers' strength all they like, but it still won't change the fact that they will be wounding on a 4+

    However, if as Rork says, the rule actually states that the slayers' strength becomes equal to the target's toughness, then I suppose the -1 strength would be applied, meaning the slayers would then be wounding on a 5+. Of course, the slayer player could argue that the netter rule is applied first and the slayer rule second, effectively cancelling out the netters rule. This is the only uncertain part about this question.
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    I would say it would work like this::


    Begging of combat before any blows are struk and challenges declared etc the goblins try out their nets hopefully making the Slayers -1 Str


    Now comes the time for the slayer with the -1Str to attack, his ability kicks in and thus becomes the same str as the gobbos toughness hence cancelling out the effects
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    After thinking about this overnight I would have to say the Dwarf Slayer ability overrides the NG net ability because the NG nets happen at the beginning of the combat and then the Slayers strength rises / changes to match the toughness of their opponent. So if you have a Slayer hit by a net at the start of the combat phase his [base] strength will be reduced by 1, but when he attacks [and if he hits] the strength is increased to match the toughness. That is how it is played in my group anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draago View Post
    I would say it would work like this::


    Begging of combat before any blows are struk and challenges declared etc the goblins try out their nets hopefully making the Slayers -1 Str


    Now comes the time for the slayer with the -1Str to attack, his ability kicks in and thus becomes the same str as the gobbos toughness hence cancelling out the effects
    After further review, I must concure here. :yes: Ididn't think about the netters flinging nets before combat...
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    I would say that the nets rule does work against slayers. The rule states that for that combat phase either the enemy unit (slayers in this case) is at -1 or if you roll a 1 then the night gobbo unit is at -1 strength. It doesn't reduce the strength then combat starts, it reduces it for the whole phase.

    So slayer strength during the combat can only ever be strength = toughness, then the net reduces it by 1 as it affects strength during that phase.
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