So who is it. Is it Russ, Horus, Lion El Johnson, Angron, Sangunius etc.....who is

Ill give my opinion later, so I don't influence your choice. Go on decide.

VULKAN!
Is this a conversion thread, or what? If you were to make Vulkan, though, he would probably be in Terminator armor, most likely with two Thunder Hammers.

I'm a little biast being a UM player but Robote Guillman by a long way, if u were to make him he wold probably have to have the gauntlets of ultramar like the Marneus Calgar mini

Vulkan
Magnus the red
Rogal dorn (gasps from audience)

but I don't know in what order.........................

Robote 'Big Bob' Guillman, Ultramarines. The empire would have fallen if not for his strength and tactics.

Being a DA player i'd have to say... lion el johnson

he should be modeled with artificer armour, the lionsword (the one cypher carries but never uses, lion helm and um... possibly the sword of secrets

Vulkan.

Roboute Guilliman is way upp on the list. I've never really ranked them though.

From Codex: Ultramarines
Amongst the oldest of all are the Gauntlets of Ultramar, won by Roboute Guilliman in hand-to-hand combat with a mighty Champion of Chaos.

Roboute was a radical!

well, if there allowed to be dead or daemonic, id go for the primarch of the world eaters, and at this moment in time i couldnt b bothered to recall his name, he led the first war opn armageddon tho

Funnily enough i would have to say that Rogal Dorn is my favourite. I always had a thing for the Fists

sanguinius...he coud fly god dammit...heh

already a conversion done of him...could be much cooler though

the imperium would have been long gone now if he hadnt wounded horus a little...and defended the palace

AS no one has even mentioned him im saying Ferrus MAnus. This dude was harsh, i mean solid as 'solid snake'.

He held a frikkin dragon/beast with metal skin under a pool of lava for several hours as it was the only way to kill it. WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

He took on everyone who dissed him. Overall i think he was the loyalist, fiercest and most badass of the lot.

I'm gonna go with Big Bob... I dunno.. Guilliman just seems like the most collected and civil of the lot... He was a tactical genius and he was good at heart... No doubt in my mind...

How about Konrad Kurse? He's my second favorite; his teachings succeeded his short, but potent life.

What chapter or legion was Ferrus Manus the primarch of?

For me it goes like this:

1. Night Haunter
2. Angron (pre-heresy)
3. Vulkan
4. Sanguinius and Sigismund
5. Magnus the Red (would be higher if he were prettier :P )

I despise Rogal Dorn, and despite my love for the EC, I also think Fulgrim was an *****.

Ferrus Manus was the primarch of the Iron Hands. An often overlooked first legion.

Sanguinius.

I mean, yeah, Horus kicked his ass, but still, I think he's the toughest of the Primarchs.

Also would be mad fun to convert, giant wings, and a body somewhat like the Nightbringer, all in red, of course.

Well, mine has to be Rogal Dorn, because he created the Black Templars, then it would be angron, the name just represents World Eaters so well...:P

I'd say it was the lorgar for he's a mighty dark apostle indeed, note:night haunter not actually a primarch

Originally posted by Deeth@Mar 20 2004, 18:28
note:night haunter not actually a primarch
Well he sort of is, his real name is Conrad Curze though. Night Haunter is his vigilante alias he used on his homeworld.
(I think)

ok, and I also like warmaster horus's new design with the giant bonk stick

horus only really beat sanguinius because all the chaos gods were channelling their power into horus...and sanguinius couldnt win...but he went for it n e way

game as a badger...most loyal of them all by far...most of the others would have faltered when they realised they had no chance...

Night Haunter was a Primarch: Konrad Kurs(z?)e. Note right on the first page of this thread. (http://forum.librarium-online.com/index.php?showtopic=11240&st=0)

Konrad Curze. Primarch of the Night Lords. Very cool guy. Fulgrim's a babblemouth, Dorn is a credit stealing ugly guy. Someone's done the red nightbringer w/ wings, hair, and powerarmor conversion for Sanguinius. Everything rocked except the face, which really should not have used Nightbringer's as a basis (too gaunt and daemonic, not conventionally beautiful enough for Sanguinius). I rather like Corbulo's w/ GS hair. Very good.

Robote Guillman. Easily

Defintly the Night Haunter, his whole draconian code on his home planent is awsome, plus his abilty to see in the future is so tragicly awsome. Only able to see his demise. (Next would be Lucius... what do you mean hes not a primarch, his fluff is cool enough to be one <.< >.> )

I wonder who the two lost primarches were?.................
Anywho, during the eye of terror campaign I read an interesting thought. Basically, picture Horus's battlebarge during the last phase of the battle for terra. Horus and the emperor are fighting, and like the fluff says "equally matched, in both skill and appearance." Both have really cool lightning claws, and are really duking it out. Finally, the emperor defeats horus, and both collapse, near to death. Abbaddon runs in, grabs horus's or the emperor's lightning claw, and runs off. Rogal Dorn comes in, shouts "oh my GAWD!", and checks if the emperor is still alive. He then designs the golden throne, and sends the emperor to earth. Or did he?... It is perfectly possible that Rogal Dorn made a mistake, and shipped off Horus instead of the emperor. Remeber the rumor about Horus existing, barely alive, in the eye of terror? And Fabius Bile using his DNA to create clones? If Rogal Dorn, loyal idiot that he is, entombed horus in the golden throne, then the emperor is in the eye of terror, plotting revenge. "Damn you boy. Just wait till I get home, you'll be grounded good then son." While Horus is sitting happilly in the golden throne thinking, "Hey, power. Finally I have power."
Just a thought I read. Would be cool though.

Does anyone know that name of all the 18 known primarches?

Originally posted by Colonel_Kraken@Mar 21 2004, 20:39
Does anyone know that name of all the 18 known primarches?
I don't but I can easily look it up in the very handy space marine codex... They're all listed.

And I'm not sure where you read that the Emperor and Horus looked like each other... Horus was corrupted by chaos, that usually means tentacles out of every orifice. Not something you'd mistake for the Emperor of mankind :)

Not necessarily tentacles everywhere..... But the whole thought centres around the POSSIBILITY that you take the fluff literally and suppose Rogal Dorn made a mistake. (or had actually turned to chaos)

Alpharius - Alpha Legion
Lion El Johnson - Dark Angels
Conrad Kurze (night Haunter) - Night Lords
Leman Russ - Space Wolves
Sanguinius - Blood Angels
Rogal Dorn - Imperial Fists
Angron - World Eaters
Lorgar - Word Bearers
Horus - Lunar Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion
Ferrus Manus - Iron Hands
Jagahtai Khan - White Scars
Magnus the Red - Thousand Sons
Fulgrim - Emperor's Children
Pertuarbo - Iron Warriors
Mortarion - Death Guard
Roboute Guilliman - Ultramarines
Corax - Raven Guard
Vulkan - Salamanders

there ya go. Wow i managed to get them all down of the top of my head

Perturabo of course, followed closeley by Konrad Curze. One a cold tactical genius, the other a man driven insane by the world around him and his own mind. You can't beat such dark tragic. The freaky thing is I feel I can relate to them =oo_o_o=.

*kicks to General Discussion*

Finally, I will decide. It has to be russ. Hi absolutely smashed Magnus the Red (one eyed freak) and his fight with lion el johnson....top notch.

Sanguinis,he gave his life for the Emperor and the Imperium.

Thank you grim reaper. Off the top of your head, wow.

Leman Russ, of course. The only one I know, who has a tank named after him. But then there is all that other stuff that makes him great.

Well, Leman Russ did rip a titan apart with his bare hands. :unsure: And it wasn't one of the small ones either.

Personally, I'm a fan of Lion'el Jonson, traitor or not (Who knows, eh?), because he simply was the best survivor. (Come on, he landed on a death world and had nothing to survive on but wit and cunning..)

traitor or not (Who knows, eh?)
Definitely not a traitor, 'el johnson is sleeping in the centre of caliban but nobody apart from the emperor knows he is there.

My favourite is 'el johnson or Jagahtai khan.

Originally posted by Inquisitor lord Anderson@Mar 24 2004, 11:33
Definitely not a traitor, 'el johnson is sleeping in the centre of caliban but nobody apart from the emperor knows he is there.

My favourite is 'el johnson or Jagahtai khan.
Then you have to wonder who Cypher is, and how he got his hands on the Lion Sword..

As I don't think it says what happened to the lion sword it could only be assumed that cypher was one of the Sm fighting with luthor and when EJ died he took it and escaped.

Hey what about good old Mortarion. If I remember correctly from reading about him, he was a great tacticion and leader. I just think it is a little funny of how his tactics were. Walk on foot, only holding bolters and special weapons, while taking hits, but yet able to with stand them, than charge at them into bloody combat..

Mortarion is one of those Primarchs who have infinate coolness because of the tragedy surrounding them. Others are Konrad Curze, Perturabo and Angron.

Sanguinius..he knew he was boned from the start but 'e fought Horus anyways..an' i like Kahn too...

Angron(killing an eldar strike team with your bare hands at a young age is badass)
Sanguinius
Leman Russ every one loves a viking
Ferrus Manus

Yeah...I like the tragic Primarchs best...even Horus is badass. Yeah...Curze, Perturabo, Magnus, Sangunius, Angron, Mortarion...really pretty stories.

Originally posted by Kiirar@Mar 22 2004, 11:54
Come on, he landed on a death world and had nothing to survive on but wit and cunning.
Actually, Lion El'Johnson did not land on a death world. He was reported to be fighting lions, and death worlds usually don't have lions. Plus, there was pre-Imperium civilization there, and no race of people without Imperium technology can live on a death world and keep their culture alive. If any humans live on death worlds without futuristic technology, they are going to be cavemen-like savages.

Actually Lion el'johnson fought Chaos beasts. Caliban was infested with the buggers.

Caliban was a deathworld. Note the was. Kaboom.

Obviously Lion el'Jonson.

Why? I play DA, simple as that :P

Not to mention his fluff is some of the best developed and interesting :)

Hmm..mines a tie. Jaghaita Khan or Vulkan...both were very cool :)

I would have to say that Sanguinius is my favorite. I mean with those angel wings and white cloak you can't do much better. And if you read the article in some white dwarf(forgot the #) he sounds pretty cool killing a bloodthirster and all.

Rogal Dorn all the way…

Built the defences of Terra, commanded the defence of Terra and stuck up to Guilliman and his codex astra when is counted IMHO… great friend of Russ and Vulkan (both of whom initially opposed the codex)… but was ever realistic and eventually accepted the new laws governing the organisation of the chapter’s…

is it me or is the image of Dorn (having returned with the bodies of the emperor and sanginius to earth) rushing to the crumbling inner walls of the imperial palace as the two sides continue to fight tooth and nail for every inch of the palace grounds, then he appears, high above the fray, on the crest of the Imperial battlements holding Horus’s helmet bellows to the swarming chaos troops “see now who has fallen under our emperor’s blade?! your master is vanquished… and you shale now join him tratiros, scum, heretics�… and turning to the bedraggled defenders of the palace (who have suddenly taken heart)… “come my brothers blessed is he pirecess the darkness with the flame of truth and righteousness and we are here on the sores of a sea of darkness and filth… now follow me and blessed is he this day who visits the vengeance of the Emperor upon his foes for they shale know that he is the Lord of Man when we lay his judgment upon them with the chainsaw and the bolt gun… now my brothers and my children up and to your posts! And…. For the Emporer!!!!!!1… Piece the Darkness my boys!!!!!!!!!!!! …

or something like that…

come on it is cool..

Sure it's cool, but like I said, he probably mistook the emperor for his unruly son and encased the hormone enraged Horus in the golden throne.

i dont think that horus is on the golden throne - no one could be that dumb especially a primarch. sides in one of the white dwarfs there is a picture of the emperor and horus fighting they look way different besides the emperor wore golden armour and horus wore the colours of his legion with the eye of chaos marked upon it.

by the way Sanguinius is the best primarch, saved the imperium twice in one day: weakened horus enough for the emperor to kill him and before that held the gate of teh palace on earth to let the army retreat inside and killed a blood thirster - if he hadnt the palace would have fallen and the battle lost before horus was killed.

then russ cause he was such a good fighter and would have minced the traitor forces if he'd made it back in time to fight on earth. plus he can drink most people under teh table - respect that

Horus, just coz i play chaos doesnt mean i hate the imperium (burn the holy planet terra!)

Night Haunter all the way, the name sounds soooooooooo cool. I dont blame him for changing it.

Ferrus Manus was the primarch of the Iron Hands Legion.
For me, <pause for thought> it has to be THE EMPEROR. Isn't he the great primarch of all the space marines and primarch of the Grey Knights.

My second fav has to be sanguinius....the idea of an angelic vampire kicking but really appels

Originally posted by suntzu@Apr 8 2004, 07:49
For me, <pause for thought> it has to be THE EMPEROR. Isn't he the great primarch of all the space marines and primarch of the Grey Knights.
The Emperor is the Emperor, arguably the human god. Primarchs are Primarchs and are merely genetically created super humans.

Yay Magnus! Excellent magician tragically betrayed by the master he served loyally. What a tragic story.......

mine is without a doubt sanguinius. I mean he killed a bloodthirster by snapping his neck with his bare hands after he broke its hand, barehanded of course. And the idea of him flying and being of the blood angels kicks.

Well, russ did loads more than that, killing or beating magnus the red is a bigger feat that killing a bloodthirster

Has anyone noticed how none of the chaos primarchs have second names, apart from Konrad Kurze.
I reckon Sanguinius was the coolest, closely followed by Night Haunter. Sanguinius beat up hordes of enraged Khornate marines, then had an airborne fistfight with a bloodthirster, in which he was knocked to the ground, but then got back up, grabbed it and broke it's back over his knee. Then he wounded Horus, before being killed.
And Night Haunter, he didn't turn to Chaos, then beat Dorn into a bloody pulp leaving only his arm, and then felt sorry about it and let himself be killed at the hands of a Callidus as a sacrifice to the Emperor. And he was not truly dedicated to chaos, just *****ed off because the Emperor ignored him all the time.

I always thought that was guite daft, you know.....sasnguinius hurting horus. we all know that horus was the strongest of the primarchs, so he killed sanguinius no prob. But horus was not stronger the the emperor.....so ifhorus was injured and nearly wacked the emperor, was the emperor having a bad day?

Horus was also channeling the raw power of four Chaos Gods. The Emperor could and would wipe the floor with Horus if he was still a regular old Primarch. but Horus had become the mortal avatar of the Dark Gods. Considering that the Emperor was still able to kill Horus, is a good indicator that the Emperor is truly a god.

sanguinius is my favorite, He sacrificed his life 4 the imperium. I would like 2 know more about Night Haunter.

i feel sorry for some of the chaos primarches, most of them have a sad story as to why they turned, the word bearers openly worshiped him to the extreams but were ignored so they went to some one who would reward the worship....chaos, and the iorn warriors were being used as a petty garrison force.

but my fav has got to be Vulkan, i love the idea of him strideing amongst the eldar with 2 hammers and smashing them to bits.

yeah like bawdymonkey said...all 4 chaos gods were empowering horus...which basically means if this wasnt the case...saguinius would have beaten horus...meaning he probably was the most powerful primarch.

theres also the fact that he had just beaten a bloodthirster and hundreds of marines and deamons before the palace...so he was tired as hell...and still faired well...

sanguinius all the way

yea, i used to colect BA, i think that if sanguinus wasnt tired hed have won, all the loyalist forces were tired but we still won!! and the loyalists were WAY outnumbred, has any one seen the fluff when perbuto(iorn warriors) offers the defenders of the palace to surrender? sanguinus stands atop the wall and refuses to back down, wow he rocks! i change my mind LONG LIVE THE ANGEL!!!(or long relive!)

lol, yeah...the image of him standin on a huge wall, confronted by thousands upon thousands of traitors, and not surrendering...then most likely swooping down into their midst to deliver the emerors justice is a cool image

if he wasnt tired he would have won...and if horus was the primarch he was before the gods empowered him sanguinius would have won...he was simply more powerful...just the fact is he was tired out and a little injured and horus was using borrowed power to win...

true true, sanguinuses story is a sad one, i HATE CHAOS!!!! AHHHHH!!!!

sanguinus had no armour either, hourus had full terminator armour as well!
and hourus had a storm bolter,lightning claw and force weapon, all sanguinus had was a power sowrd.

even on the verge of death hourus said hed let him live if he joind him but the red angel refused and died like a true hero!

It was the Primarch of the World Eaters' Angron (is that how you spell it?) who commanded the assault of the imperial palace and later lead the first war for Armageddon... and it was he who demanded the surrender of the Imperial Palace and Sanguinus refused him...

I think that the chain of command during the battle for earth was something like this...

Forces of Chaos...

Supreme Commander = Warmaster Horus

Commander of ground forces = Angron, primarch of the world eaters, demon prince of Khorn... obsentibily in command of all the Rebel forces deployed on Terra in reality the only forces he had any direct control over where his own World Eaters, Elements of the Son’s of Horus and a small contingent of Thousand Sons (assigned to attacking the Psychic wards protecting the Palace and lead by their Primarch Magnus the Red) and other assorted rebel forces such as Titans and ex-Imperial Army units… the Emperor’s Children where out of control massacring the undefended inhabitants of the planet, The Death Guard where operating as a rear guard defending against the attacks of the White Scars on the rebel rear and defending (and eventually losing) the Lion’s Gate Space Port.

Second in Command of the rebel ground forces = Peterubo (Iron warriors)... charged with marshalling forces to undermine the fortifications of the Imperial palace and assure the warmaster’s victory…. Basically Perterubo’s forces comprised two of his Legions “Great Companies� (many of his troops where engaged else where in the galaxy), renegade elelemnts of the Adeptus Mechanicus, as well as renegade elements of the Titan Legions and the Imperial Army all charged with destroying the fortifications of the Imperial Palace.


Imperial Forces...

Supreme Commander = The Emporer

Commander of the Imperial Ground forces defending Terra = Sanguinus (BA).. soon reduced to defending the Palace its self and together with Rogal Dorn marshalling reserves and launching counter attacks against the rebel forces.

Commander of the Imperial forces assigned to defend the Imperial Palace = Rogal Dorn (Imperial Fist)… effectively reduced to Sanguinus’ second in command after the loyalists are largely beaten back to the Imperial Palace, however he is pivotal in organisation the manning of the palaces defences and distributing the available troops as well as hording reserves for counter attacks and to defend the emperor himself, eventually calling on elements of the Adeptus Custodes its self to help repel the Chaos assault.

Commander of the Mobile reserve with responsibly for the defence of the Lions' gate space port = Jagati Kharn (White Scars)… cut off from the Higher command for much of the battle after his successful attack to retake the Lion’s Gate Spaceport, which he holds and blocks many rebels retreat.

It is probably safe to assume that the decision to board Horus’ battle barge was taken during a council of war in some lull in the fighting… with Dorn, The Emperor, Sanguinus and a sizable contingent of the Adeptus Custodes boarding the Battle Barge of the Warmaster, it is probable that any central command of the defence of the palace would have had to have been delegated to some one… Dorn and Sanginus probably delegated to their company commanders while the Emperor may well have chosen to delegate command of the defence of the palace to either the Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes (who ever he was? And so long as he did not accompany the Emperor onto Horus’s barge) or the Lord Commander Militant of the Imperial Guard (the commander responsible for the maintenance of and keeping track of the various elements of the Imperial Army from his location at the Emperor’s side in effect a “Chief of Staff� for the Emperor and probably a native of Terra at the time) or perhaps the Lord Commander of the Segmentum Solar (commander responsible for Imperial forces in the segmentum solar…)

Note: Imperial Guard at this time where referred to as the Imperial Army, the term guard had only just come in to use to dedifferentiate loyal and disloyal units... the Primarchs also have command over forces of the Titan legions and Imperial Army units not simply their own legions however Kharn’s forces where primarily from his own Legion ...

angron wasnt a deamon prince back then...but yeah thats pretty much how the chains of command went as far as i know

some imperial fists teleported onto the battle barge with dorn sanguinius and the emperor...but i think that was it...a few imperial fist termies

sanguinuses defense of the gate is soooooooo cool, No one can beat our lads! hourus is a cheatin git and i hate him and abaddon for all eternity!

(just fitting that i get +1 LD within 6 of it lol!)

Originally posted by Carnage@Apr 11 2004, 16:28
angron wasnt a deamon prince back then...but yeah thats pretty much how the chains of command went as far as i know

some imperial fists teleported onto the battle barge with dorn sanguinius and the emperor...but i think that was it...a few imperial fist termies
From what I have read, it would suggest to me that Angron had already achived demonhood... when the GW Fluff describes him in the assult on the Palace he is portrayed as changed and bestile, it may be that he is just getting closer to demonhood, however it seems to me that he had already achived demonhood before the invasion of Earth...

As for the other rebel Primarch's... Magnus (Thousand Sons) achived demonhood after the heresy just before the rubic of ahriman, Mortianan (Death Guard) I am not sure when he was elevated to demonhood but it must have been somtime between his pledging aligence to Nurgel in the warp and his defeated Legions entry into the eye of terror, Fulgrim's fate is unknown but he was proably elevated to demonhood and during the battle for Terra he was still "merily" a primarch, Alphurs was killed by the Ultramarines in the aftermath of the Heresy, Conrad Kurz (Nighthaunter) was assassinated, World Bearers I can't remember really... but i seem to remember that their primarch was elevated to demonhood but as i said i am not sure....

Man i know to much about this stuff :(

even before he turned to chaos Horus was by far the strongest primarch which is why he became Warmaster, so I doubt Sanguinious could have defeated him, he could probably have flown better though

My favourite Primarch would have to be Rogal Dorn! :o .........What?????? pish posh. Does anyone know where i can find a detailed account of the whole Horus Heresy? im into fluff.

well before i posted that i like nighthaunter i think but i must have been on a Dr. Pepper high or somthing cause hands down teh brest primarch is Corax of the Raven Guard!

My favourite Primarch is Ferrus Manus not only did he hold a metallic snake under boiling lava with his bare hands but gave the Imperium what must be one of the most terrifying Space Marine Chapters in the galaxy (They also happen to be my favourite).

what chapter is ferrus from (and it was the emp that gave the chapters mwhaha!)

and hourous was just a good tactician, thats why he was warmaster, becaus he knew how much force to apply and which chapter to use.

not the physicaly strongest until he ran crying to his pathetic deamon (thats all they are!) and got a supercharge up grade, sanguinus would have kicked his ass in a fair fight, remember, sanguinus had to fight........

on the walls, at the gate(wounded by a bloodthirster) through the ship then to the bridge, hourus dint move.

My favorite was Rogal Dorn. It's been said that he was honest to a fault, and never a more true and noble servant to the Emperor.

Ferrus Manus is the Primarch of the Iron Hands; yes the Emporer made the Space Marine Chapters but the Primarchs laid down the doctrines the Chapters were to follow.

oh rite, (thanks) iorn warriors terrifying? iv seen scarier teletubby episodes, the world eaters are the only chapter that scare me!! Angron was one hell of a fighter!

in my opinion rogal dorn was the greatest of all primarchs ok maybe he was a lil too late to save the emperor but he was loyal and returned him to earth and the only reason he opposed the codex astartes so much is because he dident want to destroy his progeny ie the imperial fists. though this split brought us the crimson fists and the best chapter of them all the black templars he was loyal to a fault and that was the key feature to his life

First off it’s the Iron Hands, NOT the Iron Warriors. Secondly, the Iron Hands seek to purge any weaknesses they find, including themselves. The Iron Hands continually replace biology with technology in order to rid themselves of weakness and no one is safe from them. They punish those who are weak and lack the strength of will that the Iron Hands possess. To me that is scary. The World Eaters are all brawn and no brain.

just wanted to add this in. Angron was a Daemon Prince by the time the fighting reached the Imperial Palace, he was pretty much turned as soon as he started worshipping Khorne.

if angron was a daemon prince by the time of the battle on terra why wasnt horus? surly the gods would have elavated him as well to ensure victory. imagine if they had: then he could return from the warp to attack again likeangron did after he was banished by the grey knights on armageddon

Sagunius all the way. He was like the Angel of Death incarnated. Horus was the only one that could beat him at he had to have the powers of chaos to back him up at that.

None of u have mentioned Alpharius! He rocked with all the infiltration and sabotage an all.

Anyone got any fluff 4 fulgrim? As i play emp kids i wanna know who the hell he is

I've made up some stats for Vulkan. Dunno if there is an official stats for him or if these stats make sense.


Vulkan ws bs s t w i a ld sv
7 5 5(10) 6 6 5 5 10 2+

Equipment: Terminator armor, vulkan sigil, heavy flamer, salamanders cloak (other stuff maybe)

Special rules

Vulkan Sigil: Before the Vulkan Sigil belonged to Xavier, it was Vulkan's right?? (I think that's what it said in codex space marines). For Vulkan, in addition to it counting as a holy relic affecting units within 12, it also counts as a mastercrafted thunder hammer

Terminator armor
Vulkan probably made the terminator armor by himself (he did land in a blacksmiths house, after all). It gives him a 4+ invulnerable save as well as the 2+ save.

heavy flamer
Vulkan's heavy flamer is specially crafted and modified to become very deadly flamer, capable of ripping through the most well armoured of foes. No armor saves are allowed against the flamer.

Salamanders cloak
Vulkan's salamanders mantle was the first one made (I hope). It has been specially crafted by the techmarines, boosting up his toughness to six

Fearless
Vulkan and any squad he leads are fearless

Patience
Vulkan's father had taught him the true meaning of patience. If vulkan deepstrikes, you do not need to roll to see if he comes in (You may choose when he comes in after turn 1) Vulkan and any squad he leads will not scatter onto the battlefield (as though they were being teleported). Other rules for deep striking apply

Command squad
Vulkan may be accompanied by a Command squad of Firedrakes (The rules are somewhere on the net I think)


Well there will be more stats maybe tell me if these rules make sense thanks

The great and wonderful Leman Russ, you dont see any other primarchs with a bloody great Tank named after them

hahahahah

Originally posted by Uniruler@Apr 13 2004, 21:20
I've made up some stats for Vulkan. Dunno if there is an official stats for him or if these stats make sense.


Vulkan ws bs s t w i a ld sv
7 5 5(10) 6 6 5 5 10 2+

Equipment: Terminator armor, vulkan sigil, heavy flamer, salamanders cloak (other stuff maybe)

Special rules

Vulkan Sigil: Before the Vulkan Sigil belonged to Xavier, it was Vulkan's right?? (I think that's what it said in codex space marines). For Vulkan, in addition to it counting as a holy relic affecting units within 12, it also counts as a mastercrafted thunder hammer

Terminator armor
Vulkan probably made the terminator armor by himself (he did land in a blacksmiths house, after all). It gives him a 4+ invulnerable save as well as the 2+ save.

heavy flamer
Vulkan's heavy flamer is specially crafted and modified to become very deadly flamer, capable of ripping through the most well armoured of foes. No armor saves are allowed against the flamer.

Salamanders cloak
Vulkan's salamanders mantle was the first one made (I hope). It has been specially crafted by the techmarines, boosting up his toughness to six

Fearless
Vulkan and any squad he leads are fearless

Patience
Vulkan's father had taught him the true meaning of patience. If vulkan deepstrikes, you do not need to roll to see if he comes in (You may choose when he comes in after turn 1) Vulkan and any squad he leads will not scatter onto the battlefield (as though they were being teleported). Other rules for deep striking apply

Command squad
Vulkan may be accompanied by a Command squad of Firedrakes (The rules are somewhere on the net I think)


Well there will be more stats maybe tell me if these rules make sense thanks
There not the best stats are they. Thought all the primarchs would be equal to a greater deamon.

I've taught myself to hate all the loyal primarchs, I'm a heretic through and through :P

probably my fav Primarch would be Magnus the Red. There is a tragedy about the thousand sons and Magnus that I like

YES..my fav primarch is magnus

My favorite primarchs in order are

1 Horus (My Guy is from the Black Legion after all
2 Nighthaunter
3 Dorn (Yeah its not a typo)

While were on the topic of Primarchs which one do you think had the best (Apparant) Death. I would have to say Nighthaunter just for the cool speech he gave before the assasin killed him telling her what she was about to do would vindicate everything he and his Legion had said or done.

Ohhhhh where can i find that speech?!?! i want to read it!!!!

If he was supposed to be redeemed then why dint his legion start fighting for imp again? sure thed be excommunat, but that dont stop the flame falcons ya?

I believe you can get it in the Index astrates book that covers the Night lords (Sorry but dont know the number) or the white Dwarf that coverd Knight Lords (Again im afraid i dont know the number)

If he was supposed to be redeemed then why dint his legion start fighting for imp again? sure thed be excommunat, but that dont stop the flame falcons ya?

They didn't turn back to the emperor because he said that the Emperor sent an assassin to kill him vindicated his choice to turn, the fact that he saw this coming and that his father wanted him dead meant that he saw that he had chosen the right choice.

For that speech, check the Night Lords Index Astartes article, it's in the second IA compilation book.

I play space marines but i want night haunter his death speech was cool and the description of him as he sat on his throne of bone is brilliant.

still like Sanguinius,and not just b/c my army is a Flesh Tearer knockoff, but b/c he had wings, he took out a bloodthirster on his own (those things are HUGE) and he still got a few good hits in on Horus before he went down,even when he KNEW that if he fought Horus he'd die..that's some hard core #$@%...

Yeah but night haunter kicked the crap out of Rogal Dorn, He also had visions of the future and watched as the emperor ordered the assassain to kill him. in fact the words between the emperor an Night haunteron thier first meeting are known.

Emperor: Konrad Cruize be at piece i have come for you

Night Haunter: That is not my name father i am Night Haunter and i know full well what you intend for me.

now that is cool. i would liked to have seen the emperors face at that comment.

I still think ferrus manus is the most overlooked primarch as he did kill that metal creature by holding it in lava with his bare hands for several hours.

When did Rogal Dorn and the Night Haunter fight?

cool thanks guys ill check that up!!!!

Night haunter was cool but the person who made SM who they are now was robute.

i hate the Primarchs too

but even though i hate his guts, i respect sanguinis. he is WRATH (cheesy line from se7en). it is sad that little ***** horus killed him though. I also hate magnus the red (even though i play thousand sons) because he is a weakling

There are a bit better stats of the primarchs on another forum a guy is doing. Here it is: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...l=primarch+stat (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=174&hl=primarch+stat)

The guy is following a format for all the primarchs, but some tats were brought up once.

The basic stats of all primarchs:
Ws6 Bs6 S5 T5 W5 I6 A5 Ld10 Sv2+, 4+Inv

Here is one of the primarchs if they were in the warhammer game:
Magnus the Red:
Ws6 Bs6 S5 T6 W5 I7 A5 Ld10 Sv2+ (Inv4+)

Wargear: Staff of Knowledge, Book of Magnus, Runic armour

Special Rules:
Monstrous Creature: Magnus is the tallest and most profoundly mutated Primarch, he stands at least 12ft tall and causes fear.

He counts as a monstrous creature and follows the rules as specified in the Warhammer 40K rulebook

Staff of Knowledge: counts as a heavy flamer (in close combat always hits on a 3+ and counts as a force weapon),and may be used as a template weapon in shooting.
The staff may be used to make your opponent must deploy before you and you can store an extra minor spell if these rules are being used for no points cost.

Book of Magnus: as he dabbled in the occult and is manipulated by Tzeentch Magnus, counts as having a Tzeentch Psychic power and 2 minor powers at no extra cost. Magnus does not have to pass Ld tests to use his powers, but may not use his Force weapon if he uses his psychic powers

All Seeing Eye: allows Magnus to see into the soul of his enemies and uses his occult powers to bring them to a delusional state of madness. He may use his baleful glare on any enemies within 24" instead of shooting. This attack does NOT require LOS.
On a d6 roll of 1-3 entire squad makes a morale check, on a roll of 4-5 one enemy model goes insane and opens fire on one of his comrades, on a roll of 6 the unit in the squad goes into a trance like stupor and may do nothing that turn, if engaged in Hand to hand combat they may not defend themselves and are hit automatically

Gargantuan Size: Magnus was the largest and most imposing Primarch by far so any enemy unit within 6in. gets a -1 modifier on their leadership.

Space Wolf Grudge- To Magnus, Russ is a ignorant barbarian, who seeks to destroy what he doesn’t understand. As Russ is his fiercest critic, if he is ever fighting against Space Wolves the Blood Feud special rule applies, with all Thousand Sons hit on 3+. This is reciprocated by the Space Wolves

Guile and Cunning: Magnus won the majority of his campaigns through trickery and deceit rather than brute force, to represent this he may deep strike any unit- even if not usually allowed, indicating the use of occult prophecies and visions

Sorcerorous Legion: The sorcerors of the Thousand Sons are imposing figures, more powerful than the Librarians of any other

Legion. Any Veteran Sergeant may be upgraded to an Epistolary level junior Librarian at +10 points, and can purchase a psychic hood and force weapon together with having Smite.
Note that the sergeants of Terminator squads MUST be so upgraded.
A Librarian may purchase one additional psychic power at the appropriate points cost, and the first HQ choice in an army will always be a Librarian.

It is stuff like that what the guy is doing. I think the stats are suited perfectly for game terms.

I think my favorite is Leman Russ, he reminds me of Egil Skallagrimsson from the Icelandic saga Egil's Saga. Cranky dude who would take anyone in a scrap.

thats a good bit of fluff, or whatever it was.

LEMAN RUSS!!!!
UP THE WULFEN!!!
UP THE SPACE WOLVES!!!!

Rogal Dorn.
Or wait, who are those guys who were hostile ebvirment specialists before they were chaos but then were tricked into becomeing nurgle marines? Any way, i don't like them as much as I like the loyalist compony who broke off from the fleet to warn terra of the approching chaos hordes, and then they fought nurgle marines because they hated them so much.