This was posted by Haquim on Warseer.

From what A.Cavatore told me at the italian GT DE WILL get hatred against everyone and eternal hatred against HE (I asked if Shadow wariors were an attempt to playtest the new DE armywide rule and he smiled and said "I really like hatred for DE, I think it suits them well...") .
I also expressed my concern about the disadvantages of hatred: Cavatore said they are minor and you only have to pursue if you win HtH, not like frenzy. I told him about how sometimes my O&G opponents (I'm a dwarf player first and foremost) use cheap goblin units to disrupt my battleline forcing me to pursue and be charged on flank and front, he said that is surely a good tactic but in order for it to work you must be sure your bait will really lose or will even get into HtH and not get anihilated but magic/shooting. Basically he said if your opponent is able to use baits effectively he deserves the benefits they give.
From what I hear (but I wasn't personally told) other people told him hatred won't be enough to ballance SoA. He agreed and said DE will get rules able to make them even.
P.S.
I also asked about other things:
-It's most probable Hag Queens will come back and the cloudron of blood could very well be an option for them instead of a rare choice.

-Cavatore agreed DE assassins are too weak for their point cost and hinted they may get major improvements.
-I asked for better dark magic. He agreed it's too weak and said it will get MUCH more powerful and destructive. I asked for a spell to defend DE infantry from shooting (I suggested something called "Veil of darkness" that forces I tests to shoot all infantry units inside 12''). He said dark magic should not protect but utterly destroy (and he's right of course... It's only I feel if you want DE infantry to be played you need to give DE players ways to defend from shooting)... Anyway he said DE could get something like what I suggested in the form of a magic item.
-I asked about Hydras and why they do not regenerate since the most well known legend about Hydras (hercules, you know...) is centered about their ability to regenerate... When hearing this he simply smiled and said "they will" (regenerate). I take this has already been discussed and agreed upon.

Enjoy. JvK :happy:

This was posted by Little Aaad on Warseer.

Some little birdy told me a few things, not saying who though as I can't.

Dark Elfs are not getting ASF like the Highs!
Dark Elfs are keeping hatred!
Executioners are getting a powerfull upgrade but are losing KB!
Witch Elfs will never lose Frenzy!
Assasins may be able to hide in the enemy unit!

Whether any of this is true I dont know, but he/she sounded pretty certain.

I know VC's are being done first but there are two teams working on them.

Enjoy. JvK :happy:

Assasins may be able to hide in the enemy unit!


sweet! That sounds like a lot of paranoial fun. finally something new and wicked :) suits them, and should cause some interesting dilemmas for the opposing general, heh

But when? Tell me when?

Hatred is not that bad, but compared to SoA it isn't much....ohh well. I like the idea of a really destructive Dark Magic, and a better Assasin - he's one of the fluffies(sp?) choices in the DE list, and yet it's totally overpriced. Oh, and the sweet combat mosters the Haq Queens? Yes please :)

For all the gods of chaos I just can't wait, thanks JvK ! :)

Any news of new models? I figure it will be something like this....



Plastic character models (Like the Empire, High elves, Orcs and Goblin box) (Almost definitely)
Plastic wizard models (Like Empire and high elves) (Almost definitely)
Plastic Dragon (Most likely)
Plastic Corsairs (Unlikely, but maybe)
Plastic Dark Riders (Very unlikely.)
Plastic Bolt thrower (Most likely)

Oooooh.

I'm not entirely impressed. I was hoping for armour piercing or eternal hatred to everybody, hatred is "themey" but doesn't translate as well as say, always strike first.

I'm hoping then that other stuff will be beefed up, like make our monsters actually scary.

Give us some friggan' plastic.

Give us a better magic item list.

Better magic.

Special rules for our different infantry. Executioners, Black Guard, and others.

It seems rather early to circulate DE rumours, with the VC ones still floating about. Oh well. Do you know when they're alleged to be released?

-AFG

Has anyone else heard rumors about this "Spite" rule that Dark Elves may be getting? Is there anything to this rumor other than watercooler gossip at the moment?

I like the sound of some of these rumours.
Dark magic does need a little beefing up, but the spells themselves arent too bad in their current state. The thing that makes DE magic weak is the lack of decent magic items to support it effectively, like High Elves have (ring of fury and a banner which generates PD, etc)

Hiding assasain in enemy units would be fun, but it wouldnt go all the way on making them worth taking. They'd still die just as easily and be just as over-priced. They would need some other improvements too.

Regen for Hydra sounds great

As has already been said, hatred is nice, but it wont offset SoA. (re-rolling attacks wont help much when you have nothing alive to attack with, due to the enemy striking first)

It sounds like they have considered most of the key issues with the current DE

They seem to have missed the biggest problem of all though, Stupidity... for the love of god get rid of it! ><

Thanks for the info JvK

I like the sound of some of these rumours.
Dark magic does need a little beefing up, but the spells themselves arent too bad in their current state. The thing that makes DE magic weak is the lack of decent magic items to support it effectively, like High Elves have (ring of fury and a banner which generates PD, etc)


I confess I don't actually know that much about Dark Elf magic, but making High Elf mages more effective has actually become more difficult in the new book. Since they reomoved the honours system, the ones which improved mages such as seer and channeler have been turned into magic items instead. This means that only one mage in the army can take them and since they're arcane items a mage that takes one can't really get any other magic boosting items like they could back when seer and channeler were honours. It's a shame really because High Elf magic in the game doesn't really reflect how good they are at it in the fluff.

Of course Dark Elves should be really good at it too so I hope they get some boost even if they are my sworn enemy. But if they're better at it than HE I'll be mad ;)

I imagine it is pretty likely that they will get an army wide special rule snce HE got Speed of Asuryan, and the armywide hatred of everything is probably more likely than the other rumours such as all attacks being poisoned. Note that High Elf Shadow Warriors hate everything and they are about as close to the DE as you can get without actually being one (funny that since they side with the HE!). It could be a little way of testing out the rule to see how hating anything performs...

dark evles are going tooo be interesting.. hopefully executioners are going to be nasty.. =D shame about the killing blow but cant complain there becomming new.. new magic would be nice and hopefully (but wont) get a new model for the witich king hes so badd looking. hatred for all is going to be good for dark elves

From what I have heard, the Dark Elves are going to be getting a similar Force Org chart as the High Elves, as in, more Special and Rare slots.

It makes sense, considering there are probably even fewer Dark Elves than there are High Elves.

Of course, I heard this from a store manager, so take it for what it's worth.

From what I have heard, the Dark Elves are going to be getting a similar Force Org chart as the High Elves, as in, more Special and Rare slots.

It makes sense, considering there are probably even fewer Dark Elves than there are High Elves.

Of course, I heard this from a store manager, so take it for what it's worth.
It would make sense I guess but then again black shirts only rate a little higher in the rumour business than their red shirted minions (Insert image of GW store manager cackling maniacly. :rofl).

Yeah. I've had the managers tell me even bigger whoppers than the red shirts (that's how they get promoted, dontchaknow?)

More specials would be nice, though. I'd like to see more Black Guard and Witch Elves on the table in Dark Elves' lists.

A little something from warseer

my area gw manager told us about whats happening with the DE (hes a dark elf fanatic btw like me). They ARE getting army wide hatred they ARE getting army wide AP with all mel'ee weapons, this also means magical weapons are getting it to i think. A complete magic items re-do. More monsters! hydras ARE getting RGN. dark magic IS going to get a hell of alot better. They ARE bringing back the witchelf lord and hero. How ever they will NOT be getting the high elf army chart (2core 6special 4 rare at 2k). He gave me his word and he also said you CAN hold me to it. There are also other rules they are play testing with but he didnt tell me thoes because he didnt want to tell me stuff they may not be getting.
btw i asked about slaves. he said i quate "no way in hell will they get slaves"

Generaly speaking area managers get a lot more info ahead of time than the normal GW gets so the info can be generally regarded as fairly accurate.
It will be nice to see the Witch Elf characters making an appearance.
Regeneration on hydras is very fluffy as the hydra of legend could grow its heads back when they were cut off so this I can believe.
The army wide hatred is pretty much a no brainer, however the armour piercing is pretty nice and was one of the ideas that was being bandied around when I spoke with Gav (he is writting the book by the way) at GDUK and makes even spearmen usefull against heavily armoured troops (which means executioners will get a -3 armour save modifier if true, nasty.). 8Y

JvK :happy:

I'll believe it when I see it...

does anyone know what the new monsters characteristics will be for instance will it be something like a dragon or will it be more like an ogre sized model

Mmmm. I personally don't like the idea of Executioners losing Killing Blow. That's a good move in a tight spot and kind of - fluffwise, at least - defines the Executioners and allows them to demonstrate their skill. However, it would be nice to see Witch Elves not losing their frenzy, that's definitely quite useful. Eternal Hatred would be good too ...

Meh. Overall, I like those ideas, I just don't really agree on Executioners losing Killing Blow. But, that's also really only for aesthetic reasons. xD

Why the hell will they get armour piercing. Fluffwise why? Army wise why? It doesnt make sense.

interesting. hatred but no asf, hmm!! and eternal hatred for he. that mean they always re-roll against he?

Why the hell will they get armour piercing. Fluffwise why? Army wise why? It doesnt make sense.

Couse DE weapons have sharp edges :)

Why the hell HE got ASF? Fluffwise, armywise? It doesn't make sense...

In most fantasy settings high elves are fast and skilfull. Thats why they get asf. It would make more sense if speed of assyran was always strike in initiative order. Dark elves make no sense for getting armour piercing.

The reason dark elves will get armour piercing is because thier weapons are sharp with lots of spikes on them also dark elves fluffwise at least are taught to inflict pain in thier eminies armours weak points