Saw this on GW forums, so I investigated some. Normally rumours like this aren't worth thinking about, but there's mod involvement here (http://us.games-workshop.com/membership/eshare.pl?do=ShowArticle&BoardID=4&ID=2968603).
Rather strange thing to do I think, especially with V4 coming up now... I wonder who'll take over :blink: .

This is bad.

Very. Any thoughts on who might replace him?

Chambers is gone? I certainly didn't see that one coming. I have no idea who will replace him though, then again maybe Phil Kelly? Just kidding, not a chance, I wonder what would happen if he did replace him though.........hm

Heh, guess I'm not up to date on the political situations of Games-Workshop, as all I am really concerned about is the fun game!

Who, exactly, is Andy Chambers, and what was his importance?

He was around from times of Rogue Trader (40k 1st ed), AFAIK.

Also he had a lot to do with a number of codices.

He will be back. I know it. I think he just needed to get away from it a bit. that and also he is suppose to appear at GamesDay in Chicago this year in 2004.

Atlanta Games Day
Tim Adcock - Sculptor and Designer
Karl Kopinski - Artist
Pete Haines - Games Developer
Los Angeles Games Day
Jes Goodwin - Sculptor and Designer
Gav Thorpe - Warhammer Loremaster
Paul Dainton - Artist
Baltimore Games Day
Gav Thorpe - Warhammer Loremaster
Colin Grayson - Sculptor
Dave Gallagher - Artist
Gordon Davidson
Owen Branham
Chicago Games Day
Andy Chambers - Warhammer 40K Overfiend
Paul Jeacock - Artist
Mark Harrison - Sculptor

All the people expected to be in the USA. So I highly doubt he quit for good. We just have to wait and see.

I think they might get Pete Haines to replace him. He has become very promient (in WD at least) for the last two years. I think it is bad news all round, Andy has been involved with GW for as long as i can remember and has had some truely terrible hair cuts. He knew 40k inside out (as chief developer of the last edition) and i always enjoyed the battle reports he was involved in. Especially his long running campaign with Jervis Johnson.

I'm gonna miss that hair...

Now that you mention him, Pete Haines is indeed most definately a candidate. I don't know which major projects he did, but codex CSM comes to mind.

I know he is a major Iron Warriors man and maybe an ork. I think he would be good for the job. The chaos codex is not too much of a mess is it?

Well, aside of the 13 page FAQ... I think he'd do a good job though. What's his involvement with Orks?

:huh: *Sob* no!!! he can't be gone!!!

Originally posted by BorninDarkness@Mar 29 2004, 06:25
Saw this on GW forums, so I investigated some. Normally rumours like this aren't worth thinking about, but there's mod involvement here (http://us.games-workshop.com/membership/eshare.pl?do=ShowArticle&BoardID=4&ID=2968603).
Rather strange thing to do I think, especially with V4 coming up now... I wonder who'll take over :blink: .
Well, the 40k BBB is undoubtedly 'at the printers', so to speak (probably somewhere in production/pre-press right now), so now's a pretty good time to jump ship if you're going to leave. It would have been low to quit in the middle of implementing the v4.0 rules, but having gotten those out, it's a good time to leave before the v4.0 codices start serious production.

Or if you're a conspiracy theorist, these factors also apply to when you ask somebody to leave. GW claims it was friendly and I have no reason to disbelieve.

NOOOOOO! Damn, why coulden't it of been Gav Thrope instead ^__^

Any actual 100% conformation on this?

Originally posted by Korias@Mar 29 2004, 14:28
Heh, guess I'm not up to date on the political situations of Games-Workshop, as all I am really concerned about is the fun game!

Who, exactly, is Andy Chambers, and what was his importance?
Actually he was around since I believe 2nd Edition. He was basically the developer of 40k as we know and love it.

Well, if it is true, maybe they should bring in new blood, so they could get an opinion from a different perspective, and maybe get some new, fresh ideas?

Fresh blood sounds ok in principle but ... but it could easily swing back round again to something like the ridiculous situation we had in 2nd Edition, where the Independent Characters were all. It was basically a question of hanging as much wargear and psychic powers as possible off the ICs and pointing them at each other. The massed troops had relatively little to do with the outcome of the battle.

No, 40K could lose its way now for some time, especially on the eve of 4th Edition. I just hope they can entice him back for some lucrative consultancy work. Lets face it, he'll miss the work, if not some of the other staff, pay and conditions. :(

If Pete Haines replaced Chambers then the 40k universe would suddenly collapse, and the iron warriors would arise as rulers of the galaxy after defeating every imerial fist marine in the galaxy using a multitude of fluffy kittens.

Yes, indeed. The loss of Amos Chalmers would hurt 40K.

Pete Haines, sure. He may be known for the Iron Warriors and recent work on Chaos Space Marines, but he's also very much interested in furthering 40K as a game.

Andy did a lot of work. Maybe too much. If it's a friendly parting, then good luck to Mr. Chambers.

Gav Thorpe, no. And again, no. Andy's work, it seems, was always destroyed by Gav Thorpe.

Gav Thorpe is the guy that made it possible for cheese and beardy play. He's evil; don't trust him. :rolleyes:

If this is just an April Fool's Day joke, shame on all of us!

It's not an april fools joke since april fools isn't until thursday.

If you head over to the GW forum, and look for the thread, the Mod that locked the post said "Sorry, Andy Chambers has left GW"

i also think that is bad, he seemed like an integral part of GW

This rumor has been circulating around all the forums, I'm suspecting it is false or some form of April fools prank. But we will see.
If Andy C does leave I see a very dismal future for the Orks...oh well guess I'll go back to my Vanilla Marines.


WAAAGH! da overfiend

I am not really clear why so many people dislike Gav Thorpe. Can someone elaborate on "destroying Andy Chamber's work?"

he is a good guy, likes dwarves, but almost every picture he is in he looks like a dork, look at the picture in the 40k rulebook

So people don't like him because he doesn't look "cool?"

Nooooo...the Ork Warlord has gone :(

The main problem with Gav Thorpe is that he thinks that he can write fuff. He can't. The books and fluff he's written is terrible, but he keeps writing!
Make it stop...........

My understanding is that Gav can write reasonable fluff, but leaves too many loopholes and ambiguities in the rules he writes.

I think that 40k will now become "designed by a commitee". At least when Andy Chambers was top of the 40k pile, it was one mans vision, and no-one can say he didn't know his stuff and do his best. However now every muppet in GW may just come out of the woodwork jostling to have their own special rules 'tweak' published. I hope I'm wrong, but otherwise what a time to lose that guys particular talent, just at the point when 4th Edition is being polished for publication.

Thats how the Which Hunter codex was written, by commity. Seems pritty good though.

I also think that to belive that without Chambers GW will become rubbish is deluded as many individuals have been couched under his example...no worries.

Originally posted by Mr Shadow@Mar 30 2004, 05:12
I also think that to belive that without Chambers GW will become rubbish is deluded as many individuals have been couched under his example...no worries.
Hear, hear!

And I am one looking forward to 40K 4th edition, bumps, warts and all! It should represent an effort on GW's part to improve. Sure, we all have issues with TVR, TAR, certain Eldar unit types (Wraithlord), the apparent lack of support for Orks, questionable availability of miniatures and other kits (Wave Serpent, Battlewagon, etc.), but let's not delude ourselves. Andy may epitomize what's wrong with the game--we and GW therefore need a fall guy.

Amos Chalmers leaving GW's 40K operations should be a good thing, regardless of whether or not we liked him personally, or liked/disliked his leadership and the cloudy rules he presided over.

And that's what he bequeathed us, regardless of the improvements between 2nd and 3rd editions, and regardless of his efforts since 3nd edition's release! Let's face it, clarity simply wasn't one of his strengths.

As for Gav, let him follow Andy out the door.

That's right--I said it!

Jervis Johnson at The Miniatures Page (http://theminiaturespage.com/news/?id=434559)

Link above contains an official statement by Jervis Johnson (The Miniatures Page).


http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/gen/mar04/434559a.jpg

Yeah I saw that on the miniatures page too.
The reason we Orks don't want to see Andy Chambers go is because he is one of the few games developers who pulls for us Ork players. Because lets face it the Orks are not the most popular army in 40k. We usually have to wait in line to get models and rules. With the Overfiend gone our future looks even dimmer.



WAAAGH!

tis a sad loss, but GW has had quite a few lately.

anyway, i think he might be allured to Prvateer press for a change of sceneray, or maybe it is just a cruel joke?

I no longer carry any grudge against Gav Thorpe, he's created the spectacular new random scenario creator for wfb, I withdraw my earlier comments....

No... :(
I seriously do not believe this...*sigh*
Damn, Andy was great, worthy of the title Overfiend.

He will be missed :ph34r:

R.I.P Andy.

(Now i'm bummed out...i'm gonna take some anti-depressants. Yippee! Anti depressants! :P )

no no no no...He can't go, hes GW personified. He gave me hope in beating Eldar with SM! He doesn't look uncool in the rulebook, he didn't look better than on that minis page!

he will be missed with a heavy heart.

***** em

viva la thorpe!

Hmm, I think if he left then Gav Thorpe would be in charge. That is some pretty shocking news! :o

They won't say WHY he left, what do you think the reason can be??? I mean, as far as I know he liked his job, I really didn't expect him to leave...

Maybe he was forced to leave...

I dunno, I have faith in Gav Thorpe. GW has taken a turn for the dark and grim. No more effette knights prancing around or brightly dressed Orks. Some people may thing. He has kept the games interesting even if sometimes the rules are a bit muddled

damnit, sometimes i hate what happens in gw, moving of DE to mail order, lack of ability to make one all comprehensive lotr book, andy chambers leaving, witch hunters coming out before alien hunters, khemri

What do you mean by DE moving to mail order and whats wrong with WItch Hunters and Khemri?

They say that in the future DE will only be available trough mail order, I'm not sure if it's true though.....

technicly its not, but almost all the units are mail-order-only, with only a few exceptions so i heard. Plus, with Andy Chambers gone, who will do my favourit article in White Dwarf, Chapter Aproved?

o yeah, whos gonna write chapter approved? damn this sucks! If GW made him leave, i hope the CEO and all his minions get possed by nurgel and rot like the dogs they are!

Maybe there will be a limited edition Andy Chambers model, we know they can do facial likeness cus they did in the LOTR range.

Since we do not know the reason behind his leaving, we shouldn't accuse GW of forcing him to leave. It is perfectly possibly he was tirred of doing it and left on his own accord.

shouldent we give gav thrope a chance? or have we already?

I have nothing against Gav Thorpe, it just seemed to me that Andy had more character, and was a great laugh (amazing what you can judge from pictures after battle reports) His many ork poses, his bolter to the head poses, and his famous "Space Wolf" hair phase.
Gav on the other hand never went all out to impress the readers by doing stupid and funny poses, instead he just stood around with a ponytail. I have an old WD where it introduces Andy and Gav as new game developers and says that their first job, was to design Gorkamorka.
It would be a great idea to make Andy a special character, a new Space Wolf mini, with his mad hair from the early nineties.

It could be that some other Games company has offered Mr Chambers a lot more money. After all a company could use a man of his experience and abilities. I would love to know why he left but i doubt if Games Workshop would tell us i hope he wasn't forced to leave if it were me and they forced me out i would kick up a fuss.