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kr0w17
March 24th, 2008, 18:57
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Frisket.jpg

Good Morning!

Most people don't know me so I'll give a small introduction.

My name is Josh and I play WH40k in Texas with John Public. I have been Building/Painting/Playing WH40k since 2000, when I picked up a Furioso Dreadnaught from my local comic shop to build and paint for fun. Since then I have gathered a large BA army.

More recently I have acquired a small Tyranid force. This is where we get into my painting questions.

After hand painting all those BAs (poorly I might add) I endeavored to find a quick/easy/clean way to paint my 'Nids.

I tinkered around with a few models and paint schemes and found spray to be fast and easy. I read about a few 'dipping' methods and eventually I stumbled upon Frisket.

Frisket is paintable liquid latex used in painting/ceramics/general arts, etc. and I decided to do the following.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Tyranids006.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Spray.jpg

1. Prime my models white

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Prime.jpg

2. Use Frisket on the teeth and base.

3. Spray models bright yellow.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Yellow.jpg

4. Frisket talons/caripace/claws/hooves

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Frisketapplied.jpg

5. Spray models Chaos Black

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Black.jpg

6. Remove Frisket

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Latexoff.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/FinishedFront.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Finishedback.jpg

I can see I will have to touch-up some minor areas where I smeared some black paint onto the yellow undercoat.
Over all I am very pleased with my little experiment.

7. Paint Base

8. Enjoy the pleasure of fielding a completely painted army!

My prototype is looking good. I have had some latex stick in detailed areas but I will be brushing the model with a toothbrush tonight to see if it helps.

Any suggestions on this painting method would be great =) If anyone else has used this technique please let me know how it worked.

Pictures soon.

Thanks,

Josh

Platypus
March 24th, 2008, 19:13
I would be interested in seeing how the results of this method...if you get a chance please post some pictures of the finished results and if possible the different steps of the process. Also how long is it taking you to do each model?

Ohh and welcome to the boards.

kr0w17
March 24th, 2008, 19:24
It is not taking too much time for each model. When painting the latex I haven't paid very much attention to thickness or consistancy. I just want a crisp line. I'm lazy, obv, lol, so I'm spraying a color, waiting a day, Frisketing a few models for a few days (faster than painting and much more forgivable), and then spraying another coat, rinse and repeating.

I haven't taken a full squad through the whole process yet (I'm on step 5 with a group of 16 gaunts), But when I finish this first squad I'll post pictures of the process and finished squad.

JohnPublic
March 24th, 2008, 20:44
I am also eager to see some pictures.

By the way Plat, this is one of my hoodlum friends. He's the one with nids / BA.

kr0w17
March 26th, 2008, 02:20
Thanks for all the post everyone.

I've been working the last few days to get some pictures up, I hope you enjoy!

Post back and let me know what you think.

kosmon
March 26th, 2008, 03:10
Thanks for the pics :)

In all honesty though, I wouldn't call that a "completely painted" army. The minimum requirement for sanctioned tournaments is 3 colors! In the amount of time it would take you to apply, remove, reapply, and remove several layers of frisket to get multiple colors, you could have slapped on 3 (or more) colors and dipped the model into some stain -- and you get nice shading for free!

JohnPublic
March 26th, 2008, 15:20
Actually he has white, black, and yellow and thus meets the three color requirement. He mentioned, too, that he plans on painting the bases.

Also he's not having to apply, remove, re-apply, remove. It's spray, apply, spray, apply, spray, remove. It's a minor difference, but I wanted to point it out.

I believe this project is just as much about getting a nice bright yellow color on the model as it is about speed. If you'll look through the painting forum you'll find over and over people asking how to get yellow to pop brightly on their models and the answer more often than not is to apply 4-6 coats. With frisket you can achieve complex patterns of bright yellow and other hard to paint colors on your models very quickly.

Dipping produces a very unique effect, but it's not for everyone. While I think dipped kroot and nids typically look very good, I have never been sold on dipped marines. I think they look sloppy. On a marine I want my colors to pop and be crisp. In painting a Space Wolf I could spray yellow, frisket the shoulderpads, spray blue, remove the frisket, done. As is, every marine I have has had at least three coats on their pads to achieve a solid golden yellow. I can't even imagine trying to paint with one of the lighter shades like sunburst.

I, for one, had never heard of this stuff or anything like it until Kr0w found it and feel that it has a great number of uses outside of this application. Because it seems to peel off easily and cleanly it could be used anytime you want to mask a model and would be much easier and would achieve cleaner results than tape.

I think any attempt to achieve good results through techniques outside the box is a welcome one.

kr0w17
March 27th, 2008, 21:40
Anyone else have any input on this painting method, I'm interested in seeing what people think.

Like John said, the model is three colors (White/Yellow/Black as pictured) and the base will be a different color, they will match this tyrant:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/jpcrow/Tyrant01.jpg

It is also important to realize that applying Frisket is faster than applying paint.
You literally slap it on =p

and it dries in 30 min.

Also, one of the reasons this is so perfect for my painting scheme is that the model is 75% Black, so the amount of time spent with a paint brush in my hand is about one quarter the time it would take me to hand paint normally.

Legionnaire
March 27th, 2008, 22:07
Very interesting method, thanks for sharing. I think it would be particularly useful when combined with say, a dipping method. That way you can get some great shading on the flat yellow carapace.

Anyway, happy frisking!

kr0w17
March 27th, 2008, 22:29
Dipping sounds like a good next step, thanks for the suggestion!

Now that you have got my brain churning, I'm wondering what would be a good stain/color to dip to add some highlights/depth. I agree that the Carapace is pretty flat.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

JohnPublic
March 27th, 2008, 23:33
I agree that the Carapace is pretty flat.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

I too agree that the Carapace is pretty flat.

Or maybe that's the understatement of the year.

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Can you take that same picture without the flash on? I find that it washes out the natural shading that is inherently achieved with spray paints.

Legionnaire
March 28th, 2008, 09:26
Dipping sounds like a good next step, thanks for the suggestion!

Now that you have got my brain churning, I'm wondering what would be a good stain/color to dip to add some highlights/depth. I agree that the Carapace is pretty flat.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

Yea the problem lies with the spray itself, as when you normally paint by hand you tend to leave recesses as shading, as well as multiple layers. That being said, a search of these forums will turn up several dipping discussions regarding different stains, but here is a good overall guide to dipping.

Dysartes.com :: View topic - Dipping for best effect. (http://www.dysartes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2056&start=0)

~L