It just occurred to me today that without LO, my life as a GW-Hobbyist would be pretty much dead.

I imagine it's to do with the fact that this is a good community which allows one to talk about the hobby, help others with it etc.

Either way, I was wondering (and this may require a bit of soul searching:P), would you still be collecting your respective GW game if not for LO? (or even Warseer or something else).

-AFG

I would, but without the dynamic duo of LO and Warseer, I'd be so much less informed about... well, everything gaming.

as above, I've learned a lot from here whether it be tactics or just plain usefulness of units.

Seconded. I started the hobby eight years ago, and never really had a place to
check on rules, etc.
Now I can no longer go without LO. It's a place of knowledge and properly spelled
posts ;Y with friendly members. Hail LO!

Yes and No.
Its hard to say for me really. I've been with LO for so long now that its hard to think of leaving, or being without it. And running the meet every year reinforces it really. (While I might lurk more than I probably should. I would really miss running those meets D:!)

That said, LO wasn't the reason I got into the hobby. But, considering GW prices and the way its changed over the years, it would be fair to say that because LO has been there, it has kept me in the hobby, and dragged me back from the abyss more than a few times. Whether it be wanting to show off my new minis or just missing its awesome members, doesn't matter. So aye, I guess if it wasn't for the forum, I would play a lot less, or would be playing more of other game systems... and would probably have more money too....

Yeah I would, but it would not be the same thing without all the great people here on LO. They are a big part of the fun I have with the hobby.

I think im in a similar position to AFG. I rarely play or paint any more, and without LO I would be totally out of things when it came to new releases etc. I enjoy being here and helping other people out, but if it weren't for that then i don't think id look back twice at Fantasy to be honest.

For me it is a definite no.

I was really into GW from 2001-2003 but after that I had exams and just didnt have the time, then our gaming group at school broke up and I had no one to play. I went to the GW in Kingston but they didnt let me play my unpainted minis (They were Space Crusade minis. Why on earth would I want to paint them!)

I since found this website Ive really got back into the hobby, and now im starting a lizardmen army for Tale of Painters.

If it wasnt for LO I would have nothing to do with the hobby anymore.

I would, but without the dynamic duo of LO and Warseer, I'd be so much less informed about... well, everything gaming.
Same here.

Speaking as someone who is heavily involved in LO and Druchii.net, I'd certainly miss them if one or the other went offline. I'd be looking at my screen, blinking, and saying "Now what?"

(Get out more, possibly :D)

Would it affect my playing? No. My gaming doesn't really influence my forum presence (as such), and my forum presence doesn't really change who I am as a gamer.

hmm... i doubt i would be playing GW games anymore if not for this forum. To be honest, I don't play much anymore anyways. I come on here to help where-ever I think I can, and for the community.
My local area doesn't have a GW that I can complain about, and the local hobbyshop is a bit out of the way for me. But you guys are always right here.
Summer's coming though, and I have my own set of wheels at last. So, as long as I don't get tied up with the car, or wreck the car, I should be hitting the shop alot more. YAY!

My attachment to LO and other sites, the game, the hobby, and such changes. If I'm able to get games in regularly, then I spend less time on here. If gaming is scarce, then I spend more time on here.

Even so, LO consumes a good deal of time for me and has for a long time. I really enjoy talking about the hobby with everyone and particpating in tale of painters and doing the arenas of death.

But when it comes down to it, LO is a poor substitute for standing across from a friend with his army on the table and just playing and hanging out for an afternoon.

If I were forced to choose, I would choose gaming with a buddy and drop LO. But as it stands, I can have my cake and eat it, too. :)

My circle of friends who play and the gaming store I go to in Dayton are what really fuels my involvement. Librarium-Online, however, has provided a lot of information (conversions, painting, tactics, etc) and even a creative outlet (fiction forum). So while the former is, to me, more important, the latter is a lot of fun. I refer to David's statement regarding cake :)

I post on this board because I hobby. I don't hobby because I post here.

I'd have agree with zenith_tau, if there were no forum sites I would still be playing, painting minis and so on! Although there is a lot of information and ideas to be had on these forum sites, they have there uses. The more time I spend on these sites equates to less time doing what I really like, the hobby and game.

But as it stands, I can have my cake and eat it, too. :)

You have cake?! I WANT CAKE!!


Would I still be doing the hobby if it were not for LO? Yes. I love LO and have been here for five years next month, having held many positions and met [online and in person] many great people whom have become my friends. I see LO as an extension of the hobby. Its not required, and you can still be into the hobby without the internet and forums but they are handy for advice and just discussing the game with many like minded people.

So, yes, I would still be in the hobby.

Kuffy

I post on this board because I hobby. I don't hobby because I post here.


I agree. I was really into the game before I discovered LO and would be just as excited about it (albeit much less informed) without LO.

Theres been many times where coming onto LO and looking at peoples work has made me want to continue the hobby. It's a great source of inspiration and encouragement to me ;).

I've not been in the hobby very long (6 or so months) so I really dont know what the 'golden days' of GW were like, so yeah, I probably would still be in the hobby, albeit not NEARLY as enriched as the hobby + LO.

The happy drugs are too much and I will keep playing. I would just merge to another forum with grief because there's so many nice people here and I would hope that those people would do the same.

One thing I may not miss, the down time, but that might migrate with the users that do. At least that's being remedied tho! Thanks BH!

I think I'd still be in the hobby, just progressing at a much slower rate if I wasn't on LO (Tale of Painters is really helping me make time for my army).

And yes, I would probably know less about the game (background and rules) if not for this forum.

The hobby has been part of my life for too long for the lack of LO to affect that (18 years and counting!) but, as someone with no real gaming circle it does keep me connected to other hobbyists, and I do so feel like less of a billy no-mates because of LO- also the meets are good fun and after my first taste last year id be sorry not to go to those anymore.

Just realised i have used the phrase 'billy no-mates' for the first time since being a callow youth...what else can i say...hmm...skill!...itchy chin!

LO certainly got me back into 40k. I was looking at some of the threads lying around here when a friend introduced me to the site, and it inspired to get out my minis and have another crack.

Its also helped to improve my painting. After looking at peoples WIPs and getting hints and tips, i've gone back and repainted my entire Nid army, making them look 100% better than they were originally.

Someone mentioned the golden-age of GW. I'm guessing that'd be the late 80s to the Mid 90s? Seems that way to me. That's right where I started- mid 90s. Seemed like I was getting into it just as it was heading for the door. It's really sad to me. I'm watching all of you guys in the shops get older (no offense) I'm only 18. I feel like when I'm your age, I will be looking at my models like museum pieces. We don't have the same amount of new blood coming in to replace the guys getting out each year. GW is going to die under it's own weight- it will crumble, becoming a mail-order service, then it will finally die. Other shops, RTs and websites will pick up the pieces, and keep the glowing coals alive for a few more years before fresh sprues dry up and we resort to ebaying the used minis. Eventually, after years of shuffling, the die-hard players will remove their armies from circulation and the rest of the models will be too worn-down to be playable. Prices will skyrocket- those who aren't "in" already, won't be able to get in. Eventually those who are "in" will die off, leaving the game for other chapters of life. WH will die a slow and agonizing death, but thanks the the community and the die-hard players, it will be a quiet, noble death. Everything has it's day I guess, and the sun has to set sometime.

Sorry for the sad outlook, and the doom-saying. I guess it's why I was drawn to HE. But look at it- who are we passing this on to? Is each of us going to recruit a player, or will recruit a player, who will run a shop, and recruit more players? Probably not- through sheer attrition, our breed is doomed. Something to be remembered by some casual video-gamer as he picks up a copy of "Dawn of War XXVI: Emperor's Clogged Toilet" and sees one of us in the back with glossy eyes saying 'there used to be a time when you had a brush and pot of paint, and you poured your heart and soul into every member of your own personal army, and then you faced off against a friend who did the same- and you remembered eachother for it. what do you have now? premade armies, preset enemies? where's the community now?"
kinda makes me sad. and it makes me cherish my models so much more.

I could not disagree with you more.
I have also been involved in this hobby since the mid – later 90’s.
And I believe that the hobbyists who start now are very lucky indeed. The miniatures that G.W is producing nowadays are superior to any made in the 90’s. This year alone has seen some truly amazing ones so far. The vampire counts grave ghouls, the banblade, and the daemons are some prime examples of how far G.W has come from the so called ‘golden age’.
But not only is G.W coming out with some truly amazing miniatures but its hobby supplies are now amazing. The foundation paints have made painting a dream and some of the new tools are quite exciting. None of this was around in the 90’s.

G.W is growing from strength to strength, you only have to attend a Gamesday event to see how truly popular and how well loved this hobby really is. G.W draws people to it for many reasons, for people like me it’s the painting side I loved at first but now days I really like to play aswell, others will be happy just to collect and more just for the background alone.
G.W is the bench mark other games companies compare themselves to weather they admit it or not.
I get sick of people moaning about anything connected to G.W from a simple mistake on their website, to the prices, to the fact that they are encouraging new players. Yet very few people give them any praise. Which I think is a real shame.
You only have to look at this website to see that G.W have a tough crowd to please but they do try.

I think it will be many, many, many years before we see G.W fall, if ever. People have been painting miniatures for hundreds of years and will continue to do so for hundreds more. One day I hope my own kids will look at their own armies with the same satisfaction I have when I look at mine. G.W still has lots of tricks up its sleeve and many more avenues on which to explore.
These are wonderful years to be involved in the hobby in any aspect. We still have the rest of the Horus Heresy to enjoy, the time of Legends for Warhammer. There lots of new codex’s to come out and a new 5th edition of the 40k game to chew on for years to come. New glazes being released soon will make painting a lot easier.
I don’t even work for G.W but I’m excited for them. The next few years promise to be a great time for all hobbyists.

I have been interested in GW games on and off for over ten years, I have been a member of LO for less than half a year.

I play 40K because I like the models, the game, and the crowd I game with.

I wouldn't.

I lack the mental stamina to keep up with anything long enough and if it wasn't for LO, the friends and support here, I think I would have dropped the hobby... or I would have had all my models painted...
I do spend way to much time here...

But I seriously think I'd have had my exams.

LO really got me back into the hobby. I wasn't really doing much hobby wise at the beginning of uni then my girlfriend (pity her) said why dont you go into GW and have a game it woudl be nice for you to get back into the hobby again. Well the thing that made me mention GW was LO. That summer I was in GW everyday (was striking in my own way...long story..). Since then I havnt really gone into GW too much. I dont realy have the time anymore to game. Ive had a few small battles with my brother but now I mainly paint and model. LO has really kept me going ont his and inspired me a good deal. So without Lo I think I may still bein the hobby but really not as much as I am TBH, (though it does stop me getting those civil war figs and more 15mm Russians...)

Sounds like one of those cheesy adverts lol. Should really sign it with Barry, Northampton or something equally as normal.
anyway enough ranting back to the crusades....

A

I could not disagree with you more.
I have also been involved in this hobby since the mid – later 90’s.
And I believe that the hobbyists who start now are very lucky indeed. The miniatures that G.W is producing nowadays are superior to any made in the 90’s. This year alone has seen some truly amazing ones so far. The vampire counts grave ghouls, the banblade, and the daemons are some prime examples of how far G.W has come from the so called ‘golden age’.
But not only is G.W coming out with some truly amazing miniatures but its hobby supplies are now amazing. The foundation paints have made painting a dream and some of the new tools are quite exciting. None of this was around in the 90’s.

G.W is growing from strength to strength, you only have to attend a Gamesday event to see how truly popular and how well loved this hobby really is. G.W draws people to it for many reasons, for people like me it’s the painting side I loved at first but now days I really like to play aswell, others will be happy just to collect and more just for the background alone.
G.W is the bench mark other games companies compare themselves to weather they admit it or not.
I get sick of people moaning about anything connected to G.W from a simple mistake on their website, to the prices, to the fact that they are encouraging new players. Yet very few people give them any praise. Which I think is a real shame.
You only have to look at this website to see that G.W have a tough crowd to please but they do try.

I think it will be many, many, many years before we see G.W fall, if ever. People have been painting miniatures for hundreds of years and will continue to do so for hundreds more. One day I hope my own kids will look at their own armies with the same satisfaction I have when I look at mine. G.W still has lots of tricks up its sleeve and many more avenues on which to explore.
These are wonderful years to be involved in the hobby in any aspect. We still have the rest of the Horus Heresy to enjoy, the time of Legends for Warhammer. There lots of new codex’s to come out and a new 5th edition of the 40k game to chew on for years to come. New glazes being released soon will make painting a lot easier.
I don’t even work for G.W but I’m excited for them. The next few years promise to be a great time for all hobbyists.




Dam rights, all people do is complain and bitch about GW. Sorry people GW is number one . The figures look awsome they are some of the best that they have ever done. I know it sounds like a advertisment, but honestly ask yourself itsn't it ture??

i would probably be still playing warhammer 40k due to the high concentration of gamers in my area..but i would probably still be making bad lists.And might not play the game s often as i do now because of less motivation

I have long periods when I don't get to play much. So LO keeps me in touch with the hobby in that respect, especially with regards to new army releases etc

I wonder how many people on this board are active members but don't actually play at all?

In between playing Hordes/Warmachine and spending the sunny summer days outside, I haven't actually played a game of Fantasy in months. I haven't played 40k since autumn.

The board itself is great and it keeps me close to a hobby I enjoy, but it does not keep me actually playing.

The thread actually has two questions: if not for LO would I still be collecting? In that, LO did not stop me from no longer collecting. If not for LO, would I still be in the hobby? Undoubtedly, I would have quit the hobby by now.