I’m thinking of creating an army of heavy robots and terminators would be perfect given the tank like stats and weapons and having up to 30 of them would be very nice.

Chaos have the upgrades like toughness 5 or 4+ invulnerable save but lack the firepower. (that i can convert anyway like combi weapons)

Loyalists have the powerful weapons like the Assault Cannon and Cyclone Missile Launcher, plus are armed with storm bolters instead of combi-bolters.

So which one is the more effective?

Do not forget that Chaos Terminators come with Power Weapons instead of Power Fists so that in an all out brawl against the two factions, they'd get to strike before the Loyalists.

I say Chaos Terminators, simply more options available to them. Also in regards to Loyalist terminators having better firepower, new SM rules look like they will limit the heavy weapons to one per squad. (see the dark angel and blood angel codicies, they only allow one per squad, we can accurately assume that this will be the standard for the new generic SM codex)

Intresting quistion, but since I was thinking that I was hoping the new SM codex will give the loyalist termeis the same sort of options as Chaos I'll vote for them. In CC though if both had 2 attacks and were in squads of 5 the chaso would kill 2.5, then the loyalists with 7.5 attacks would hit 3.75 then kill 3.125 (I hope thats wright) so the loyalist are better but are more expensive. Which is why I'd perfer chaos, they option to deep strike and unleah plasma death so cheaply is a game winnig combo,

Chaos termies it is,

Gilli

I would say Chaos Termies. I actually had a game where my chaos termies ended up in CC with my opponents termies. My termies, armed with power fists and mark of tzeentch, killed all 5 of my opponents, and I still had 3 of mine left.

As for the options available to both, I also go for chaos termies, as their default weapon includes a power weapon (which is not available to loyalist termies), and that allows them to strike at their full initiative.

Overall, IMO, chaos termies are better. 8Y

Anyone who says regular Termies have more firepower than Chaotic ones hasn't been on either end of five combi-plasmas. I've been on the dealing end, my opponents on the recieving... let's just say I don't care if my opponent takes an assault cannon or two.

For sheer customizability, Chaos take the cake on this one.

I'm voting for chaos because of the sheer customisability (spl?), and they can be changed to suit just about any role.

my vote goes to chaos due to versatility and......jejeje 4+ inv 8X

wheres the grey knight option? :P

Do not forget that Chaos Terminators come with Power Weapons instead of Power Fists so that in an all out brawl against the two factions, they'd get to strike before the Loyalists.

Well.. actually, chaos terminators can take powerfists.. lightning claws.. .or any combination they like :)

Also, even though it's harsh to say:

Please ignore posts when people compare Chaos and Loyalist terminators by having them battle against each other.

Remember, the OP wants general robots. He's no interested in how Terminators perform against eachother, but against stuff in general.

If you really must compare, then pick several different units (20 gaunts, 10 Marines, 1 carnifex etc), and then go maths crazy.

But even then... close combat wise, Chaos can out match Loyalists. Even with storm shields, IoK is much better against a larger variety of opponents.

Chaos it is.

Grey Knight Terminators considered Loyalist? I'd pick them.

Grey Knight Terminators considered Loyalist? I'd pick them.
I like the way you think. 8Y Still my favorite Citadel minis ... ever. And still darn nasty to tangle with, even if they now appear overpriced in comparison to Chaos termies. Wonder how much the lesser Astartes termies'll cost when the new SM codex appears...?

I can't argue with S6 power weapons.

I can't argue with S6 power weapons.And plus one WS!;)

Between Chaos and regular SM Termies I would vote for SM versions (odd duck Eh?), but only until 5 ed comes out. The sheer versatility of two Assault Cannons for such a cheap price is awesome (that's why Dark Angels nerfed it to one max per squad). Deepstriking squads have to shoot first and wait to assault.

For the dual role of shooty and CC it is the Blue Boys for me!

Chaos just has a better mix of options I think.

I prefer chaos as much versitiltity (sp), you can have 4+ inv, plasma death, or even a unit of entirely aspiring champions with lightning claws & MoK for 25atks on charge with just 5 (if i remember correct)

Although almost everyone says chaos terminators is better than space marine terminators there are two reasons that I think loyalists are better.

1.Chaos may have power weapons which could kill us in combat because we have powerfists. We also have assault terminators who can have athunder hammer and 4+ invulnerable save or lightning claws which are basically super powered power weapons.
2.The firepower is invaluable, especially when you teleport in next to an enemy infantry unit and unload two assault cannons into the enemies infantry or tanks.

I say Meganobz beat both.:freaked-out:

But all kidding aside, I kind of like both. Chaos is alot more versatile with combi-weapons and marks. But I think Loyalists are pretty powerful when tooled up well for a role. WHile I think Chaos is best when they shoot and assault, Loyalsits seem like a one or another thing. They can tool up for CC or get a Assault Cannon for shooting. And although they maybe get a weapons reduction in the next codex, an assault cannon is still a very scary piece of equipment. I like Chaos better for versatiltiy.

GK's take the cake IMO. S6 PW that hit at initative stacks up well to regular PW's and S8 PF''s that strike last.

For pure capability, GKT are truely awesome. But for me, I still like my Chaos Terminators, even though my Tzeentch Termies can't cast spells anymore.

Grey Knight Terminators can kick both of their asses

Grey Knight Terminators. Thus, Loyalists I suppose.

Downright nasty in close combat, ranged upgrades can give them weaponry that while weaker than the assault cannon are capable of ignoring invulnerable saves. Totally awesome.

Also can't forget the ability to upgrade to the Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield combo.

But, since they're not on the poll themselves, I'll have to say Chaos. They can be tooled to be far more nasty than their loyalist counterparts.

However, a neat thing about picking loyalists is that you can use both Grey Knight Terminators AND normal Terminators. Simply use a Space Marine army as base, probably Dark Angels so you can use Terminators as troops, then ally a Grand Master and Brother Captain with their Terminator Retinues. Totally nasty.

Maaaaaaagic Caaaaaat Eaaaaaars!

However, a neat thing about picking loyalists is that you can use both Grey Knight Terminators AND normal Terminators. Simply use a Space Marine army as base, probably Dark Angels so you can use Terminators as troops, then ally a Grand Master and Brother Captain with their Terminator Retinues. Totally nasty.

Maaaaaaagic Caaaaaat Eaaaaaars!


I was just about to suggest the deathwing using termies as troops. Looks like you beat me to it. DOH!