This thread is generally for stories of things you've witnessed (not happened to you, just standing by, not wanting to get involved). PLEASE dont say "the prices (lol)" as we all know that GW stuff is overpriced, don't whine about it.

Sorry if this has been done before, I didn't know how excaclty to go about researching this kind of stuff.

To kick this off, here are me few anecdotes

GW store in a mall, while looking for a big mek:
Kid (showing his mom the armies, as she showed intrest in the game)
-indistinct chatter about eldar-
Kid: well, there really arent many of them at all... (hoolding an eldar battleforce)
Mom: they must be good individually then.
Kid: no! *holds up the 'nid battleforce* these are way better! there are lots of them!!
Mom: But i like the eldars... (sic)
Kid: *spoiled whine*
At this point I moved away to make myself not punch that kid in the face for coercing his mom in army choices

Same store, looking at the showcased orks, orcs, and gobbos:
Random kid: do you have $8? (5.50 GBP)
Me: why?
Kid: 'cause I'll give you this $5 check for it. (3 GBP)
Me (thinking): Ugh. why would I do that? Even if the check DOESNT bounce, im still out $3! (2 GBP)
Kid: Well?
Me No, Go away.
Kid Well, my life sucks now... (an extremely pitiful attempt to guilt-trip me)
Me under my breath: I REALLY don't care.

Different store, part of a plaza:
I had just purchased a O&G warboss kit, eager to go home and convert the hell out of those two frames of awesome.
GW worker "mr. caffine": So, how are you going to do that?
Me: what?
Mr.Caffine: well, you can make a warboss and a BSB, or two warbosses.
Me: this is going to a 2000 point army.
Mr.Caffine: cool, come here *leads me to the showcase*
Me:*not caring* *leaves asap*

I estimated the GBP coversion =P

I find the pushy-ness of some staff very annoying. Ive only recently come back to the hobby after a break, and have been in several different stores across england and theres always a member of staff trying to get you to tell them your life story. That or when you try to buy a small box set (say for example a box of plastic cadians) they try and push a battleforce or whatever on you as well (yes while this might be a bit of a saving but when you are a poor pennyless student justifying spending £50 on "polly pockets for boy" as she calls them in one go is quite hard...)

On a note about the kid asking for money (And I know this is the opposite of blood boiling but It reminded me of something I did about a year or so ago now.)
These two teens were in the Grimsby store, and they were spliting some money they had. I got talking to them and was giving out some helpful pointers about what they should do for their armies. They were going to buy some minis, but not the codex. But they didn't have enough to buy some starter troops and the codex. (By about 2 or 3 quid IIRC) So I told them, if they bought this and that, then I would give them the extra to buy the codex. Providing they gave the hobby a real good go.
I think they were quite surprised, but happy none the less.

Annnyway, as for blood boiling...
I don't think there is much more blood boiling for me, than rude staff members.
As for pushy'ness, there is a line, but I normally don't mind it as all it is, is a salesman trying to do his job. But I would agree that some of them don't know when to let it go. (Though this can be said about all salesmen.)

Here in South Africa we don't have any GW stores - only Independent Stockists (generally other hobbies with a VERY small section of GW things).

What really gets my blood boiling is when you go into a shop and ask for XYZ thing, and they have no cooking clue what you're talking about.
For example, one birthday a few years ago, my wife had a list of "wants" that I had draw up. She took said list with, and asked the person at the counter about it. Now, my wife knows very little about the hobby, but enough to tell difference between Fantasy and 40K.

As relayed to me by my wife:
Wife: "Do you have a 40K Chaos Space Marine Predator in stock?"
Counter: "Is that for Empire?"
Wife: "No, for 40K"
Counter-person: "No, we don't stock that. Only Space Marines."
Wife: "Aren't they part of 40K?"
Counter-person: "No, they're Sci-Fi."
My lovely wife walked out at this point.

Surely if you're going to sell something, at least know the product you're trying to sell?

While I'll admit to finding those pretty annoying, my blood boiling moments generally spring from GW Staff members or RTT Judges who make up rules as they go or clearly have no idea what they're talking about. Or, even worse, them coming up with random "house rule" that you were never told or asked about that you are expected to simply accept when they spring it on you.

Surely if you're going to sell something, at least know the product you're trying to sell?

That reminds me of getting magic the gathering cards!
They seem to always be held behind the counter (like everything to do with smoking) and there is often more than one set on display. So you go up and its something like this:

Buyer: "Hi could I get some mirriden booster packs and a timespiral theme deck" - (state name of theme deck)

Seller: rather black stare for a moment - then "Ah yes - which ones are those?"

After a few moments telling them which is mirriden you then have to explain that there are different theme decks with thier own names! And all this time the line behind you is getting longer and longer and some one starts tapping --- a little understanding is not much to ask for (though this tends tobe a bookshop limited thing)

I don't think anything in a GW shop could possibly make my blood boil, to be honest there are far more stressful things in life to get worked up over. GW is your hobby, the thing you do for fun and to relax. If going to their stores annoys you then take up knitting 8Y

The sales staff are great in there though, they have been brainwashed to a wonderful level. My last visit to a GW store went like this:

I walk in and look at something, GW guy appears and says:

GW: Can I help you Sir?
Me: Actually yes, I need a teradon, skink priest, some green stuff and black spray paint....oh and some super glue please

GW: No problem Sir (scurries around and assembles the stuff I wanted, I am thinking this is great I am getting what I want with no hassle)

GW guys continues with : its great when someone comes in and knows exactly what they want, makes my job easier.

We have a chat about what I need the models for and its all good until we get to the checkout.

GW: Have you seen the new vampire counts
Me: No
GW: They are really good, we have the new army box sets in
Me: You just said you really like it when people know exactly what they want
GW: I do
Me: Did I ask for a vampire count army?
GW: well errrr ummmm not really

At this point I paid for my stuff and I think he went to lay in a darkened room. Didn't make my blood boil, just made me chuckle on the trip home.

GW: Have you seen the new vampire counts
Me: No
GW: They are really good, we have the new army box sets in
Me: You just said you really like it when people know exactly what they want
GW: I do
Me: Did I ask for a vampire count army?
GW: well errrr ummmm not really


That is perfect, I went in their once, not know WHAT I wanted, but knowing I had worked out what I could afford exactly before I went in there, he just kept pushing me to buy abbadon, at the time he needed 2k at least to be fielded, and I was just starting out, having only about 250$ to buy a battleforce,hero, and paints with barely a dollar to spare and he wants me to buy a 40 dollar hero, I told them numberous times I'm not interested but they just don't give up and it annoys me when he has to tell me he is the leader of the black crusade blah blah, I don't care! I can't afford it.

:) Doesnt make my blood boil but:
Saturday, GW Cheltenham

gone in to get step son a devilfish with his GW Voucher, in the mean time my Son is looking at the IG stuff trying to figure a way for his IG foot sloggers to cope with JSJ Tau suits, so I help him, diging around for setinels, A GW staffer trots up

GW Staffer (to child despite the adult present): can I help you?
me: do you have armegeddon pattern sentinels or are they direct only?
GW Staffer (clearly not familiar with GW lingo): no you have to order them on the internet, what do you want them for? (brandishing the cadian pattern)
me: he wants to deep strike them to take out Tau XV8s
GW Staffer: I like the cadian pattern ones, you could use them
Son (proving that 13 year olds have more intelligence than the GW staffer): yes but they are AP4 and strength 7
GW Staffer (at this point waving the cadian sentinel and doing his best puppy eyes): they have twice as many shots
Son: yes but I would rather ignore the armour save and instakill the suit
GW staffer (clearly still trying bless his cotton socks): but they only hit half the time
Son: not if I give them HKs
GW staffer: (mutters something about points cost
we didnt hear what he said at this point, the conversation was clearly beyond him and wills and I had moved on to the relative merrits of Kasrkin and veterans for the same role and stunningly were not convinced that this guy was the voice of tactical wisdom

1. Rude staffers
2. 15 kids around the gaming table all screaming at the top of their longs. SHUT UP!
3. Smelly nerds, buy some deoderant, here, have some money to buy some deoderant

I don't think anything in a GW shop could possibly make my blood boil, to be honest there are far more stressful things in life to get worked up over. GW is your hobby, the thing you do for fun and to relax. If going to their stores annoys you then take up knitting 8Y

The sales staff are great in there though, they have been brainwashed to a wonderful level. My last visit to a GW store went like this:

I walk in and look at something, GW guy appears and says:

GW: Can I help you Sir?
Me: Actually yes, I need a teradon, skink priest, some green stuff and black spray paint....oh and some super glue please

GW: No problem Sir (scurries around and assembles the stuff I wanted, I am thinking this is great I am getting what I want with no hassle)

GW guys continues with : its great when someone comes in and knows exactly what they want, makes my job easier.

We have a chat about what I need the models for and its all good until we get to the checkout.

GW: Have you seen the new vampire counts
Me: No
GW: They are really good, we have the new army box sets in
Me: You just said you really like it when people know exactly what they want
GW: I do
Me: Did I ask for a vampire count army?
GW: well errrr ummmm not really

At this point I paid for my stuff and I think he went to lay in a darkened room. Didn't make my blood boil, just made me chuckle on the trip home.

YES! Give this guy a medal; He's done something that I never even thought of yet!! (I always try to think of such snazzy ways for fobbing off GW Salestaff and ending up leaving the store.)

The thought of that made me laugh at the possible faces that he could've made :D


-Kai-Itza-

YES! Give this guy a medal; He's done something that I never even thought of yet!! (I always try to think of such snazzy ways for fobbing off GW Salestaff and ending up leaving the store.)

The thought of that made me laugh at the possible faces that he could've made :D


-Kai-Itza-

It looked like someone had gone completely against his programming, you could almost see the conflict in his head. "I have been helpful, given him exactly what he wants but he still doesn't want an entire army that he didn't come in for. Thats not what they said in training, its just not"

To his credit though he got everything together quickly and with a minimum of fuss, and as I am aware they will always try and sell you something else it didn't really worry me too much. I do honestly think they are very unused to someone coming in and saying "this is what I want, just this, this only and nothing else thanks".

In the same vein I confuse staff at Macdonalds by asking for exactly what I want and giving them no scope to ask daft questions.

I agree with master shakes comment about 'house rules'.

Now sit tight, it's story time;
I went to a store in essex (Indip stockist) to play a few short games over half term. The day was terrible. After playing 1 and a half games, I learnt the wierdest house rules, such as 'twig-nings' ,or something, and that nobody knew any rules.
Why? Why play a game and get loads of models and not bother to learn the rules?
*Rant over*

3. Smelly nerds, buy some deoderant, here, have some money to buy some deoderant

Yes, yes, YES!!!

Couldn't agree more. You could MAYBE make an argument that a "tween" doesn't know better yet, or even someone as old as 14 or 15 (hey, there are late bloomers out there), but on an ADULT it's just inexcusable.

I'm all for having non-mainstream interests and a slightly obsessive nature when it comes to hobbies, and I don't even fault the, let's call them "socially awkward" among us gamers, but when you are so far gone that personal hygiene goes out the window, that's just wrong, on so many levels.

Yes, yes, YES!!!

Couldn't agree more. You could MAYBE make an argument that a "tween" doesn't know better yet, or even someone as old as 14 or 15 (hey, there are late bloomers out there), but on an ADULT it's just inexcusable.

I'm all for having non-mainstream interests and a slightly obsessive nature when it comes to hobbies, and I don't even fault the, let's call them "socially awkward" among us gamers, but when you are so far gone that personal hygiene goes out the window, that's just wrong, on so many levels.

This doesn't just apply to GW shops. I went to a GT heat last year at Warhammer World. Now in the morning I had a shower, (original source mint and tea tree oil shower gel is awesome) and used deodorant. By the second game of the day the area of the hall that I was sitting in was just plain minging, I couldn't wait for round 3 just to move away.

The smell, while not always a problem, is a huge problem if it exists at all.

Tekore

This doesn't just apply to GW shops. I went to a GT heat last year at Warhammer World. Now in the morning I had a shower, (original source mint and tea tree oil shower gel is awesome) and used deodorant. By the second game of the day the area of the hall that I was sitting in was just plain minging, I couldn't wait for round 3 just to move away.

No... Way... ;o

You mean that the whole hall just smelt because of the obscene smell of other gamers?!?

:X

Man, aand I thought that Upper School was bad... lol


-Kai-Itza-

:) Doesnt make my blood boil but:
Saturday, GW Cheltenham

gone in to get step son a devilfish with his GW Voucher, in the mean time my Son is looking at the IG stuff trying to figure a way for his IG foot sloggers to cope with JSJ Tau suits, so I help him, diging around for setinels, A GW staffer trots up

GW Staffer (to child despite the adult present): can I help you?
me: do you have armegeddon pattern sentinels or are they direct only?
GW Staffer (clearly not familiar with GW lingo): no you have to order them on the internet, what do you want them for? (brandishing the cadian pattern)
me: he wants to deep strike them to take out Tau XV8s
GW Staffer: I like the cadian pattern ones, you could use them
Son (proving that 13 year olds have more intelligence than the GW staffer): yes but they are AP4 and strength 7
GW Staffer (at this point waving the cadian sentinel and doing his best puppy eyes): they have twice as many shots
Son: yes but I would rather ignore the armour save and instakill the suit
GW staffer (clearly still trying bless his cotton socks): but they only hit half the time
Son: not if I give them HKs
GW staffer: (mutters something about points cost
we didnt hear what he said at this point, the conversation was clearly beyond him and wills and I had moved on to the relative merrits of Kasrkin and veterans for the same role and stunningly were not convinced that this guy was the voice of tactical wisdom

That is a perfect example of what annoys me about GW. Most staff just care about sales. The fact my local GW has now removed most blisters from their stock doesn't help, but they still push what they do have, and you dont want or need, on you. Its especially unfair on newer people to the hobby as they likely know less, and if a staff member tells them something is a good choice then they are likely to believe them... poor people :(

Man, I hate when people fail to understand the importance of hygiene. Especially when it blocks out that hobby shop smell of new comics, spray paint, and super glue.

Yes, yes, YES!!!

Couldn't agree more. You could MAYBE make an argument that a "tween" doesn't know better yet, or even someone as old as 14 or 15 (hey, there are late bloomers out there), but on an ADULT it's just inexcusable.

I'm all for having non-mainstream interests and a slightly obsessive nature when it comes to hobbies, and I don't even fault the, let's call them "socially awkward" among us gamers, but when you are so far gone that personal hygiene goes out the window, that's just wrong, on so many levels.



you guys ever hear of a little thing called Comicon, a whole cities civic center filled to the brim with nerds, over half havent discovered deoderent, or the outside of their moms basement(no offence annyone but its one or the other, either go o-natoral or live with mommy) and to top it all off the warhammer both was just a dawn of war booth!, and it was tinny :(

Man why are you all calling people nerds in almost a insulting way. I mean the pure fact that anyone here plays this game kinda makes them a nerd/geek/whatever, whether or not you think so.

And on the defence of the GW staffers trying to sell you stuff you don't want or need. I mean the stores can be shut down if they don't sell a certian amount. And from my retail experiance, you can also be fired for not asking would you like to buy XXXX, or other things like that.

Boils my blood is anyone below freakining 12 who play this game, i would like to say 16 but just ehh...

I go in to get Havoks, terminators and Bezerkers. I come out with Bezerkers, terminators and a Land raider.

Now, this would be fine. But as a newbie, I was told it could transport my terminators and shoot like havoks. I was never told how flimsy it is, nor that I can only do one of them, shoot or move.

Ah well.

Now I am here, and I have a sturdy idea of what I want.

No im sorry you cant put an age limit on stuff like this. For starters its really really unfair, deprives the game of newcomers, and everyone has to start somewhere. I think i started out on Necromunda at about 11, and yeah while i might of been annoying to some throughout my progress i think it would have been harsh to just say No your young and learning, you cant come in.

Im pretty sure that most stores run "beginner days" (sundays?) designed for kids, and evenings with an age limit "veterans night or the like".

Also if GW are really in the finacial dire straits people say they are they need the kids buying spacemarines by the bucketload (or more correctly their parents) to keep the company solvent.

People who are annoyed bout smelly "nerds" carry around a can of deoderant and demand they use it or invest in some kind of protection against biological and chemical weapons... :P

Staffers manipulating newer players is a bit low though, I always go in knowing what I want and not being swayed by other shiny things pushed under my nose...

hmm geeks and smell - I think you get just as much with any other collection of people in a room for so long *especially with all those mental faclties working away* but I have always put the problem down to not a lack of chemicals, but to a lack of ventilaiton in the rooms ;)
Seriously you could improve things no end if most game rooms had a window or three to open and/or air conditioning as well ;)

I think age limits are set not only by GW assessing the best age group for thier product and its a low age limit considering the content of the fluff (esp for chaos). Were it to be rated by something like the TV standards groups them I could see the age limit rising up to near the 18 age limit

Eh, it's just my bitching cause GW changing so much to make parents less worried bout what the models look like, and the fluff.

A guy that was totally convinced he was right in saying:
"Dude, GW totally ripped of the Zerg from Starcraft with the Tyranids"

2000AD-He may have said that because the new Tyranid Raveners look suspiciously like Zerg Hydralisks, but yeah, that's funny.

I've actually only been in an official Games Workshop store once in my life!! That was when I was on a school work experience to Wales...

So yeah me and my host family visit Cardiff for a day, we get close to Cardiff Castle and I see the holy logo of GAMES WORKSHOP. I'm like woah people I need to go in there for a minute.

I enter the store, it's kinda smallish but it looks neat with several cool looking gaming tables. At the time I was interested in Imperial Guard, so I walk over to that section of the store just to look at it (I was 100% sure I wouldn't buy anything as I did not have pounds on me lol!)

Sure enough after a minute some Staff Member walks up to me. At that time I was not aware that GW Staff are supposed to be pushy or "can I help you?"-rude-like.

However this is WALES remember that! So yeah he walks up to me and mumbles something completely INCOHERENT. Okay I know I'm from the Netherlands but hey, I know really good English for my age (I'm 17) but this guy, man I just can't understand wth he's saying!

I make an expression of "I'm sorry?" on my face and just stare at him.

He stares back.

I continue to stare at him. My eyebrows are going up slowly...

He tries again and mumbles something which I think is some kind of greeting.

I lean over to him implying he should speak up or something. Keeping the same expression on my face.

At this time the guy's looking EXTREMELY confused and slightly scared. He carefully raises one hand and shyly WAVES it at me while giving me a nervous, watery smile.

LIKE IM SOME KIND OF RETARDED PERSON!!!

And he says, now slighly audible "ehhh... hi?" as if adressing an alien that has just appeard from a UFO right in front of him!

At this time I turn around to the kid from my host family who has been watching this, astounded. I say to this kid: "Oh, look! I THINK it's trying to communicate! FASCINATING!"

We left the store really quickly thereafter...

I've really only had a couple irritating memories at an actual GW store. Of course it helps that everyone who works there is a friend of mine outside the store but I know that's not the case for everyone.

Anyway, my first pet peeve is anyone who brings in some ridiculous made up model with their own home grown rules and then complains when they can't find someone who wants to play them with their AV14 twin-linked railgun walker with a dread power fist. Did I mention it's a skimmer too?

My second pet peeve are the kiddos who compare characters and then decide to one-off duel their two favorites and stick them 2 inches apart and just start rolling dice. Unless you are talking about a devotee of khorne, most characters in either game aren't meant for dueling of such nature. It's just irritating to me as after they are done they parade around the store saying, "Character X Sucks!" and "Character B just rocks". Nevermind they just stuck a Commander Shadowsun up against Kharne the betrayer and combat started with them within 2 inches.

However this is WALES remember that! So yeah he walks up to me and mumbles something completely INCOHERENT. Okay I know I'm from the Netherlands but hey, I know really good English for my age (I'm 17) but this guy, man I just can't understand wth he's saying!

Lmao, you do know the Welsh have their own language yea? Im guessing he started speaking in Welsh to you... no surprise you couldnt understand lol.

Im just going to jump in here to the defense of sales people. Granted I've never been in an "official" GW shop, but I am a sales person in an art gallery. Those sales people come up and say "hi, can I help you?" because they are required to...if they just lurked behind the counter their boss would likely fire them. They are typically trying to be helpfull, which is their job. If you don't need help say "no thanks" or "i'm just looking today"...getting grumpy or surly with them is immature.

Here is a story from my own work

Customer enters gallery and starts looking through prints with puzzled look on his face
Me: "Hello. Can I help you find anything today?"
Customer: Glares at me and snarls "No."
Me: "OK, let me know if you need any help." As I turn back to walk back to the shop counter

*5 seconds later*

Customer: "Where are your black and white photography prints?"
Me: "They're in that bin (I point), in the Photography section. Can I help you find anything in particular...a certain artist or style?"
Customer: Another snarl "Not likely."

*a minute later*

Customer gets on his cell phone and says: "No, they don't have any Ansel Adams prints. No, I asked, they don't have any."
At this point I could have stepped in and said that we do indeed have the prints he's looking for, they are in a seperate section in the bin hes looking at labled ANSEL ADAMS, but he has made it abundantly clear he doesn't need my help and I would rather lose the commission than help the snot.
Customer storms out of store
Me: "Come again soon."

Don't be that customer. Sales people are pushy, its their job to help you and to sell things. As long as they are polite it costs you nothing to be polite in return. I've had more customers than I can count who glare at me or act like I'm assaulting their dignity when I ask if I can help them, and as often as not a half minute later they are asking me where some print or artist is.

So er... doesn't that mean that you didn't do your job? You are meant to sell things right?

gone in to get step son a devilfish with his GW Voucher, in the mean time my Son is looking at the IG stuff trying to figure a way for his IG foot sloggers to cope with JSJ Tau suits, so I help him, diging around for setinels, A GW staffer trots up

GW Staffer (to child despite the adult present): can I help you?
me: do you have armegeddon pattern sentinels or are they direct only?



This really twists my head. If the guy had just said at this point-"Yep, they're direct only. Would you like to order some through the store or have them posted to your house?" then he'd have made the sale! You asked him for something he can sell and he chose not to! Instead he decided to say "I'm an idiot."

He needs a slap.

I dont get annoyed with the sales people, they are meant to sell but they all love the hobby and just want to talk to someone about it. Also they get commision so wouldnt you be the same way?

Once I saw a battle where a Necron player made his WBB rolls but only specified what unit it was after the roll kinda like "ok thats a pass and that was the Necron Lord by the way". He was playing someone younger than him and hadnt played necrons before. I kinda chimed in with "I dont play necrons but shouldnt you specify which unit it is before you make the rolls?". The little kid then found out he was being cheated and had a MONSTER tantrum. As in he picked up every signle one of his models and stamped on them because there was no point in playing.

That scared me off for about 5 years. Im still recovering,

lol. I mean, to be fair to you, we can laugh, but there really are too many of these people.

I love going to GW Sotres. The Redshirts always make me laugh. One time in particular, I saw a staff guy talking to a customer (about the Wellington bii or something). I walked to about 4 feet away.

Me (in a loud voice): Now to see how much money I have!
GW guy: *ditches customer*
GW guy: "How may I help you?"

I had to laugh at that.

As to what makies me mad is one time, there was a participation battle going. The guy running it said "You can have one core unit", so I decided to make a Biel-Tan "force", and I tried to explain to him that Banshees become Core in a Biel-tan list. Eventually, he gave in and said "OK, you can have a Core or Elites unit". If you're going to sell the stuff, you can at least know what you're on about.

-AFG

Bonzi, its not the sales thing that bothers people about GW staff we know they have to do that (I used to work in my local GW)

The problem is that they always seem to be pushing things onto people. Even now i go back into my store, and i get jumped by the newbie staff member telling me how good the new VC are and reasons for buying them...

My response? Yea, i know all this, i had the VC book over a month before its release. Any new news?

Well, DoC is next month...

Yep, and ive seen the models, HoC will be in WD, then doe in Nov/Dec (and on i go, god i love what you can learn from forums like these lol)

Anyway, the newbie staff and store manger seemed quite shocked and surprised that i knew more than they thought people should. The manager ofcourse knew all this and more (I tired my best to get the schedule for the next 2 years out of him..) but the newb was kinda taken aback. Then i went on to criticise BoC models, and said id began to buy models from elsewhere online. They got annoyed i think, so i stopped there lol.

Also they get commision so wouldnt you be the same way?

Commission? Not when i worked there... nope, its actually a fairy poor wage. The 50% discount makes up for it though lol.

I worked in retail sales for EB Games in Australia; another store where "customer service" is valued heavily - I can see stark similarities between GW staffers and EB ones. I no longer work in this field, but the learnings have stayed with me for the past 6 years.

The first thing you have to remember is that although this is a hobby to you, it is a job to them. Sure, once they're out of the store it might be a hobby - but while their in uniform, you're a customer and they are a salesperson.

As a salesperson, their performance is rated on many things: return customers, volume of receipts (# of sales), profit-per-sale (adding on high-margin items) and usually "promotional items sold" which includes new releases, specials, etc. Whether or not their pay is based on their performance is inconsequential; a salesmen (like most professionals) achieves validation by being "good at their job".

The third thing to remember is that an intelligent, direct and respectful customer (i.e., you) is a rare occurance. Most customers @ EB (and GW, I'd guess) are rude, spoilt children and their oblivious, pandering parents. The majority of the remainder are introverted, arrogant, smelly (:P) nerds who act superior and talk down to you as though you're an idiot (i.e., some of you :P). A good salesman will generally approach customers casually, choosing speech and mannerisms that apply to the stereotype they've internally given you.

If you don't appreciate the "pushy" nature of the salesmen, one solution is to actually engage them in conversation. When they say hello, respond back kindly and ask them how their day is going. Don't only tell them what you're interested in, ask them about their interests (what they're playing, what they're collecting, any new stuff on the horizon they like). During the conversation, make it plain and clear what you're after - whether this is advice or a specific model.

Feel free to say something like "I need some anti-tank, but I only have $50 in my budget this week." This sets a boundary on the salesperson & many will be more inclined to give you value for your $50, rather than adding on more stuff. Since you've already engaged them, they probably appreciate you more than the average customer.

The other great thing to do after a nice quick chat and transaction is to introduce yourself and shake their hand. "I'll see you next week" also helps, as good salesmen will tend to remember you. Once they respect you, they'll only try to add on things that make sense, rather than whatever is floating around.

Of course, many salespeople are just plain bad at their job, in which case none of the above applies! :) Que sera sera...

god i love what you can learn from forums like these lol

Just got the latest FW Newsletter. They now got a sneak peak pic of Reaver titans foot...
Well, I don't care, I've seen pics of the entire titan here already... Surprise.

Just got the latest FW Newsletter. They now got a sneak peak pic of Reaver titans foot...
Well, I don't care, I've seen pics of the entire titan here already... Surprise.

Lol, yep same here. These GW people... theyre so far behind its untrue :P

I don't go to a GW store, or is there one withing 2hrs of me. But I do go to a nice hobby store called Dragon's Den. But I'm going to brag about them, because I have yet to find something they did that I didn't like.

The owner of the store played only one game of 40k, he mainly likes painting. He doesn't know all the minitures but he is willing to learn. He is also not really trying to tell me what I should by eaither. Heck! He gave me the new Ork Codex for FREE because it was my birthday.

His wife usally role play with a buch of other people.

He also has another guy that helps him run the store, he plays 40k and knows quite a bit.

I don't think my store stinks eaither...there arn't many people that are under the age of 16 (think only one kid is, and he just started). Alot of people just go their just to hang out. It's really cool.

He even has a nice little corner of blisters that are OOP for 25% off. Think there is even an old Leman Russ in there.The one thats in the red package, its still un opened too.

I think the GW Staff do what they do well i havent had a bad experience at my local GW (with the exeption of a very slow tyranid player in a big apocalypse battle ANNOYING!) but as far as the staff go they have helped me get back into the gaming and complete an older army. yeah ive been in and bourght a couple of things i havent needed but who cares its never bad having extra models to paint lol.

See, now, Orange Dragon that sounds like a cool place. If only GW stores were like that...

I guess I could have phrased the title better, but there is something that I forgot to add.

Same time, and place ans my first story, now looking at a killa kan:
Mom: whats this? *points to the warwalker on the back of the eldar battleforce*
Kid: thats a dreadnaught (??)
Mom: What does it do? (most likely indicating anti troop or tank busting, she looked like she knew what she was talking about)
Kid: It just goes around and kills everything.

umm... at AV10? dont think so!a heavy bolter could tear that apart. Heck, almost anything could.

Man my GW is pretty good. Except this one time that they woudn't let me and my friend play in the battle bunker because he didn't have templates and then the other tables were being used for an apocolypse match so we coudn't play. That made my blood turn to pudding. But most of the time the people are cool, the music is loud and the smell is not foul!

ALSO!

I don't get why people hate kids in GW? I started warhammer when I was nine and if someone was rude or a froob to me i'd probably be put off warhammer but instead i had people teach me how to play properly and be very nice to me. Sure game store kids are annoying.. but you were probably one once upon a time.

I don't get why people hate kids in GW? I started warhammer when I was nine and if someone was rude or a froob to me i'd probably be put off warhammer but instead i had people teach me how to play properly and be very nice to me. Sure game store kids are annoying.. but you were probably one once upon a time.

because all those who hate kids have been beaten in a game by them - hence vet nights - so as older players don't have to suffer the humiliation of losing to youngsters ;)

I've never really suffered any really bad experienceat GW. Although there was one time when I'd gone in for just a Wood Elf Lord. The only staff member there was already dealing with a customer, and I could see he was gonna be a while, so I looked round the store for a bit. after 20 minutes I decided to wait by the counter. A few minutes later the staffer came over and apologiesed for the wait, and I told him not to worry.

A few months later, I'd just recived my annual bonus, and I have just enough to finish off my SM company (This is before apocolypse) so I go in with my wallet stuffed with cash, and start picking the various bits off the shelves. The same staffer comes over and asks if he can help. I say 'Yes please.' and hand him my shopping list and explain that I only need this lot and I'll have a full company of SMs. He raised his eyebrows and told me how cool/insane that was. I grinned and agreed with him. He dashes out the back to get the stuff, and comes out with the plastic devestators which weren't supposed to be out for another two weeks! I was so impressed I brought a LRC as well. You can't get much more awesome than that8Y

My issue is not with the game store 'kids' per se, it's the parents! Our shop here has a problem with the parents of the pokemon and yugio (sp?) card players just using the shop as a free babysitter. I don't have anything against the kids themselves, but I get really P.O.d when hordes of them get dropped off at shop open time and are there unsupervised until shortly before close. As a previous poster stated, the game shops are a great place to go for relaxation and enjoyment of your hobby, and having 10 or 20 overly rambunctious and unsupervised children running around is NOT conducive to that environment...

having 10 or 20 overly rambunctious and unsupervised children running around is NOT conducive to that environment...

Agreed, that's why i like going to the store during working hours. (i work parttime). A lot more peace and quiet.

because all those who hate kids have been beaten in a game by them - hence vet nights - so as older players don't have to suffer the humiliation of losing to youngsters ;)

Yeah, you won't believe how much luck kids have at their age!

I have Three sisters and one brother and they're all interested in warhammer. We play occaisionally a game of WHFB (Border Patrol), usually with the two girls (6 and 8 years) and the boy (11 years).

First turn, every ranged weapon was turned towards my lizards. I eventually waded through them (just), even though I gave them small 'chances' such as re-rolls and miscounts, it gives them a chance not to get whooped too easily by me and to generally have fun.

Sometimes I'll show my brother and eldest sister (20 years) the ropes on the game, but not too much as they're not the thinking type. They just let me do the working out for them which is a great way for working out those brain muscles :party:

All in all, I think kids are great to have games of Warhammer with ^_^


-Kai-Itza-

i started young... maybe 12? i was a GW kid... well to a lesser extent i preferred to read the codex. I have to say one of the worst things i have had to put up with was a 2 kids writing a Space wolf list. they couldn't find what a frost blade was and they didn't ask anyone so i told him i said "oh a frost blade is blah blah blah" and he said "I KNOW" in a arrogant tone. I just wanted to take him out front of the store and punch him. he did those sorts of things a couple of times. Other times when im painting instore we all had to move because they were doing a painting workshop for GW kids. my exact comment to my friend when we left in disgust. "oh okay i will move so a bunch of 12 yr olds can paint some models given to them. Dont worry about the $250 dollars i have spent today for my army..."

i dont got to GW unless im buying stuff even then i have to push myself to buy it.
The thing i hate about GW nowadays you have to book for a table to battle on and also use your own paints instore. I have my own paints but i have no reason to paint in store anyway.

The thing i hate about GW nowadays you have to book for a table to battle on and also use your own paints instore. I have my own paints but i have no reason to paint in store anyway.

As irritating as I know it is, having trouble finding a gaming table at your GW store is a good thing in some sense. Namely, it means the store is likely getting enough business to stay open.

The painting rules differ from store to store. The store near me allows you to use the store paint to paint your stuff as long as you don't abuse it. You do need to bring your own brushes and modelling materials though.

I remember one of the first times ive been to a GW store. One guy, about 13 or so was asking what people thought of his dwarfs (dwarves?) colourscheme. He was responded by a loud "no-one cares!" shouted by a GW employee. Then the kid just sulked back to the painting table.

I remember one of the first times ive been to a GW store. One guy, about 13 or so was asking what people thought of his dwarfs (dwarves?) colourscheme. He was responded by a loud "no-one cares!" shouted by a GW employee. Then the kid just sulked back to the painting table.

I hope that staff member was sacked soon after...

Heh I've had some of those experiences.

Not to long ago; (Alderwood Mall GW)(Seattle)

(Brought in a 2500 IG List) To a staffer.
Me: "I was wondering if I can get help fine tuning this list for tournament"
Staffer: "Sure! Lets see whatcha got?"
Me: (Handed over the list) "Its specifically themed"
Staffer: "Themed to what?"
Me (I roll my eyes and point to title of the list) DKOK.

Funny how oblivious Staffers can be, this conversation went on as follows.

Staffer: (Starts crossing off things on list)
Me: (Getting impatient and showing it)
Staffer: "You realize you can only get these models from forge world right?"
Me: "Duh! how else do you expect me to get them" (At this point I walk out right when he's trying
to make a sales pitch)

Ha I have many stories from my local gw store.

This one is when I have been going in to buy stuff for my preheresy marines.

(I walk in)
GW: Hey man whats up?
Me: Eh, nothing just getting some marine stuff
GW: Ah for what army?
Me:pre-heresy marines(after i just said marines)
GW: Have you ever thought about buying the master of the ravenwing models for a bike squad?
Me:(Im only 17) I had thought about it, and then College seems like a better idea(walk away because i hate that staff member)

ANother story from my gw shop

(playing a game with a good friend of mine, I also just converted a model which took me f'in ages)
Little kid: oh thats a cool model
Me: thanks
little kid:(probably 12 or so) Can I look at him?
Me: Yeah be careful though he its fragile
LIttle kid:oh yeah it looks nice (picks it up by the base, i was very impressed sets it down gently)
( a couple minutes pass buy)
Staffer: Hey nice model
Me: thanks
(Staffer picks it up by the staff, which snaps model falls and breaks)
Staffer: you should have glued that better
Me: I look at the gw staffer and just give him a clint eastwood look, he walks away

And to this day i give that loser s*&^ when he trys to push stuff on me.

Yeah, I hate it when parents treat it like it's a daycare. One time a 9-year-old child had a Gumbi doll and actually started destroying the game boards! We stopped him and asked for his parents, only to find out that they weren't there!! They arrived 30 minutes before the store closed (i.e. 8:30)

Yeah, that's exactly the problem we have here.

Ha I have many stories from my local gw store.

This one is when I have been going in to buy stuff for my preheresy marines.

(I walk in)
GW: Hey man whats up?
Me: Eh, nothing just getting some marine stuff
GW: Ah for what army?
Me:pre-heresy marines(after i just said marines)
GW: Have you ever thought about buying the master of the ravenwing models for a bike squad?
Me:(Im only 17) I had thought about it, and then College seems like a better idea(walk away because i hate that staff member)



I don't get what the GW staff guy did wrong? and why you acted so rude?

(Brought in a 2500 IG List) To a staffer.
Me: "I was wondering if I can get help fine tuning this list for tournament"
Staffer: "Sure! Lets see whatcha got?"
Me: (Handed over the list) "Its specifically themed"
Staffer: "Themed to what?"
Me (I roll my eyes and point to title of the list) DKOK.


kind of a legitimate question, it's like an army list posted in subforums. i'd still ask that question, the title DKOK is more of a broad theme; i'd gather from 'specifically themed' that you had a particular fluff or game-tactic in mind for the dkok, and for 'fine tuning' it i'd like to know what my advise should be more directed towards other than incorporating the dkok doctrines.


Staffer: (Starts crossing off things on list)
Me: (Getting impatient and showing it)
Staffer: "You realize you can only get these models from forge world right?"
Me: "Duh! how else do you expect me to get them" (At this point I walk out right when he's trying
to make a sales pitch)


shrug, going over, analyzing, and fixing a list takes time (asking for fine tuning might be asking for attention to small details with a minimum of change on list while incurring a positive change in hypothetical gameplay).
and since what keeps him there able to help people with such is retail sales, ensuring that you know you can't get the models there and seeing if there's something else in the store that might 'interest' you (shrug, they're kinda required to put on the song-and-dance)

anyways, rolling eyes, showing impatience, and actually saying 'duh!' isn't really tactful at all. but that's my take on if it was me trying to help; maybe the actual staffer was doing something to deserve it, not my call.

I've never really had problems that have made my blood boil, but there are a few events that have happened and most of them have been quite funny:

1. Seeing as most of my family lives up in Nottingham, I often pop into warhammer world occasionally when ever I visit them. So this one time i'm walking around the store and a GW staff member comes up to me and asks what i'm looking for. I told him that I was looking for a Captain Sicarius model ( as this was a while back :D ) and he said i'll just go check if they have them in stock, as you can order anything and they'll bring it to you seeing as that's where most of their stock is kept. Unfortunately the last one had been sold earlier that day. He then asked me where I was from, etc etc and ended up getting my whole life story in a conversation that must of lasted at least 10 minutes, even though i had tried to get away multiple times :)

2. Again at Warhammer World, I had gone to go and buy a cities of death building and they were behind the counter. So i asked the guy if he could show which ones they had, and I ended up picking one of them. he then rummaged behind the counter and bought up this massive box which was £100 and contained 10 buildings asking me if i was interested in buying it, it was a nice try but i turned the offer down :)

3. I was at my local GW store and this kid who must of been around 9 or 10 years old came in. He sat next to me and bought out this box which contained a small diorama he had made of a space marine on a tyranids back plunging a knife in. Well it wasn't that good and neither was the painting but he was only 9 so I gave him some tips on how he could improve it liek adidng some greenstuff here and how he could make the space marine look a bit better by doing some high lights etc. Then these other kids came along, picked it up without even askign and began to criticise it saying it's was terrible, the space marine should have a jump pack, picking out all the flwas in it. I could see that the kid was really getitng upset and these guys who were 15/16ish were being really harsh. That had really got on my nerves, so when one of the guys was converting his chaos lord i kept on picking out all the bad details on it (as it was a pretty bad conversion) seeing as i was so annoyed at what they had done to that kid. That has most probably been the only time i've ever gotten really angry at some one in a GW store

I saw a sales rep try sell an Ork codex to an old women who was buying it for her grandsons birthday. Needless to say i stepped in, and told her about the new codex which was being released THE VERY NEXT DAY. I copped a deathstare from the sales rep, yet when countered with one of my serious pissed faces he backed off fairly quickly.

I saw a sales rep try sell an Ork codex to an old women who was buying it for her grandsons birthday. Needless to say i stepped in, and told her about the new codex which was being released THE VERY NEXT DAY. I copped a deathstare from the sales rep, yet when countered with one of my serious pissed faces he backed off fairly quickly.

That's not even hard sell, that's despicable. I think the fact it's an old woman makes it worse! Preying on the unaware

I saw a sales rep try sell an Ork codex to an old women who was buying it for her grandsons birthday. Needless to say i stepped in, and told her about the new codex which was being released THE VERY NEXT DAY. I copped a deathstare from the sales rep, yet when countered with one of my serious pissed faces he backed off fairly quickly.

You can't get much lower than that really! CAn you? My "issues" with GW are well documented in another thread so i'll leave my rant there. I will say that the sales culture they have is far too aggressive and has forced me to shop online. I avoid the store AND save 15% or so on RRP,it's win win people!

It's a sad fact but i wouldn't feel comfortable recommending my local store to anyone and would push the online independant stores. In most other walks of life i argue exactly the opposite.

The GW I WENT to had, at one point, a great staff, a manger that was loved by the community, great events, and an average age of about 17. They shipped out the manager, and fired the younger of the staffers, brought in a new manager, and two staffers that, while alright, are no where near as well liked, and then they shipped off the last of the older group because he was "friends with too many of the customers" and didn't try to sell the regulars things they don't need/can't afford.

Anyways, the new manager is a DISASTER on models. Ok, the man is clumsy, I understand that, but he knows it, and picks up models anyways, like the Prince Yirial I had been working on every afternoon for about a two weeks, carried around in a foam case, wrapped in paper, ect. WITHOUT ASKING! He does this constant, and broke more then one of my models. This man thinks he is the most awesome thing ever. He is rubbish at running events, and does things like run tournaments promising prizes, then changes his mind because, myself and my teammate won things too often. He also ran an apocalypse tournament, even though apocalypse is not meant to be balanced for that sort of game.

Mostly, I think the man is a grown man, and store manager, that tends to behave like a seven year old. That being said, he has his redeaming points, but this is a thread for rants, so I rant. ;Y

CWR
I thought we agreed on no "Matt-bashing." Don't be a hater, I agree that he does pick up models without asking, and if he breaks them you get a new model imediately, thanks to the store. I know you got issues with the store, which I totally back u up on, but live and learn. There's pleanty of more places to play.

I remember one of the first times ive been to a GW store. One guy, about 13 or so was asking what people thought of his dwarfs (dwarves?) colourscheme. He was responded by a loud "no-one cares!" shouted by a GW employee. Then the kid just sulked back to the painting table.

If that were me, I'd punch him there and then for not supporting the kid's hobby.

Goes to show how much GW Staff cares for Customer Service...


EDIT: Oooo Ninja! :ninja2::ninja::ninja3:


-Kai-Itza-

CWR
I thought we agreed on no "Matt-bashing." Don't be a hater, I agree that he does pick up models without asking, and if he breaks them you get a new model imediately, thanks to the store. I know you got issues with the store, which I totally back u up on, but live and learn. There's pleanty of more places to play.

A new model, to me, would be no compensation for a built and painted model, but other then that, perhaps your right, though I was kind of going the "shall remain nameless route." Not many people here have any idea of my local, after all. I keep getting offers from England for Necrons...gotta fix that in the ad. Anyways, main point, not trying to be an arse. Besides, like I ended the post with, the man did me a solid once or twice.

Now that I've been to the GW more than a few times, and from the first time I set foot in there I was known by name to him because my brother kept saying it, I didn't want this guy to know more about me than what army I want and what I bought but I think he's realized now that I've been playing half a year I won't be pushed into anything anymore and now he just asks how the army and my brother are going now and thats it.

Independent stockists are good if you really don't want to be hassled and are cheaper from my experience, they just sit behind their desks and if you buy something then you get it and pay for it, otherwise you are left to your own devices, not even a "can I help you?" thats the world I like because when I'm out alone I have my ipod on (till it died) and will do my best not to engage anyone in conversation or eye contact unless something beyond my control is happening.

Although the Istockists don't have the experience probably, the cheaper products and their willingness to let you do your own thing is fine for me, if I need help with a rule, there is always LO ;)

I have not really been to a GW recently but things that I absolutly cant stand.

1. Unclean People: I want to tell +50% of the people I see in there to shower, put on some clean properly fitting cloths, join a gym and learn to groom themselves. This is one of the reasons I generally dont go to GW stores that often.

2. Homophobic Staff: Maybe its just the GWs in my area but they definatly allow opposite sex PDAs and not same sex PDAs. They've also also asked me to leave the store when I've wore certain outfits (which there was nothing illegal about) but I didn't.

what's a PDA?

Public displays of affection.

Holding hands, hugging, kissing, you get the idea.

I went a GW shop three weeks ago got a leman russ squadron, they put it behind the counter while i was still looking, i came up to the counter with a piant and primer, and the guys asks if i wanted to buy a battleforce right out of the blue, i was like thats my set behind the counter, oh i already have a battleforce, he didn't even know what army i had, he just asked if i wanted to buy one.

And that made your blood boil? You walk into a store and spend a fair amount of money in one go. Not only do you spend a fair amount of money but you then take a considerable amount of time to browse the store for additional purchases. When you are done, and you have found some extra things to buy the Sales Assistant asks if you would like to buy something else, and this upsets you?

The box you bought saves you 1/3 off your purchase but still costs a comparatively large amount of money. The sales assistant recognised this and simply asked if you would like to buy a similar item. A Battlefore. It's not cheap but it does cost less than the individual items combined.

That all seems like common sense to me. Now if you had said that he rang it up without asking and just demanded the extra cash. Now that would be blood-boiling, or if he popped the box open and took the command sprues because he needed them, that would be blood boiling. But to offer to sell you something else when you are already buying something?

hmm,

That may have come over as a little heavy-handed. It was meant to sound surprised.

I thought it was worth a double post to point out my chagrin when I discovered the tone was other than as intended upon re-reading...

I have not really been to a GW recently but things that I absolutly cant stand.

1. Unclean People: I want to tell +50% of the people I see in there to shower, put on some clean properly fitting cloths, join a gym and learn to groom themselves. This is one of the reasons I generally dont go to GW stores that often.

2. Homophobic Staff: Maybe its just the GWs in my area but they definatly allow opposite sex PDAs and not same sex PDAs. They've also also asked me to leave the store when I've wore certain outfits (which there was nothing illegal about) but I didn't.


Blood... Boiling.

Point number 1: I agree, as do we all, that gamers should be clean and sweet smelling. Do not, however, presume to tell others how to dress or live their lives. You don't like it too much yourself do you?

Point number 2: It's a Toyshop. A bloody Toyshop. If I were a manager in a GW store and I saw any PDA's regardless of the source a quiet word would be had to reign it in or find another location.
And if I had some Goth Queen of the night in there scaring the kids and putting everyone off by being all angsty and 'look at me I'm a gay cross dresser I'm so misunderstood and special' then the door would hit you on the ass on the way out. There's nothing illegal about dressing any way you like within the bounds of public decency laws but you are on private property at the sufferance of Games Workshop PLC. Remember, it's a Toyshop and if your presence, appearance or demeanor are deemed to be detrimental to the flow of money into their coffers they are within their legal and moral rights to ask you to leave, then call the police should you refuse or cause a breach of the peace.

Was this thread even made for "blood-boiling" anecdotes? It seems to me that this thread has transformed from one about quirky stories you have into one about bashing GW. There were quite a few of them that I read and felt like it was the GW employee who deserved to be ranting in this thread about rude, stuck-up customers.

The things that annoyed me about the GW store in my area before it was closed were all caused by overcrowding. It was on a busy corner in a busy mall in a busy city. So we had tons of people filtering through- which is good for business, but it was even to the point where sometimes it looked like the staffers were having a really hard time doing anything productive because of the window shoppers who came in to stare at the models.

The "daycare" thing happened a bit, too, so I can most certainly relate. That said, not all the little kids were annoying, some played the game and knew what they were talking about.

The Rogue Trader I go to now seems to be made up mostly of grizzled seniors so the problem is nearly non-existant.

-Nik

I'm busy watching a game, when some random person who I've seen before, but never really met walks up.
Him: "I came up with teh ultimate pWnZ0Rs list!"
Me: "Ok." *Still intent on the game. Dialogue alternates from this point on.
"It has 15 assault cannons in 1500 points."
"Whatever."
"It can totally trash whatever list you can come up with."
"Probably."
"So you're admitting that you're a n00b and dark eldar suck."
"Sure."
"And that my list will destroy you whenever I play you."
"Only relevant if you actually play me."
"What!?"
Me: "You're under the mistaken idea that I actually care about your opinion at this point."
"I should totally beat you up for saying that."
"I have been doing martial arts for 10 years and have a second degree black belt."
At this point, he abruptly shuts up and leaves the store. I haven't seen him since, but since I only go once a month, I don't really care.

Point number 2: It's a Toyshop. A bloody Toyshop. If I were a manager in a GW store and I saw any PDA's regardless of the source a quiet word would be had to reign it in or find another location.
And if I had some Goth Queen of the night in there scaring the kids and putting everyone off by being all angsty and 'look at me I'm a gay cross dresser I'm so misunderstood and special' then the door would hit you on the ass on the way out. There's nothing illegal about dressing any way you like within the bounds of public decency laws but you are on private property at the sufferance of Games Workshop PLC. Remember, it's a Toyshop and if your presence, appearance or demeanor are deemed to be detrimental to the flow of money into their coffers they are within their legal and moral rights to ask you to leave, then call the police should you refuse or cause a breach of the peace.

Look, the guy just said that it makes him angry when the staff at this place he's speaking of has no problems with heterosexual 'public displays of attention' while objecting to homosexual 'public displays of attention' or people with alternative fashion tastes.

ALSO I think you're a rather silly person for having such (nearly homophobic) prejudices against "gay cross dressing Goth Queens of the night".

So there. Please don't get upset when people publicly and legally dare to show what they are, since last I checked it isn't illegal to be gay or to have a bad sense of fashion.

Him: "I came up with teh ultimate pWnZ0Rs list!"


Do people actually say "pWnZ0Rs"? *sigh* That's the most depressing thing I've heard all week.

Hmmm. Deordorant issue doesn't bother me too much. Believe it or not, it doesn't smell so bad - I used to hang out with "I haven't showered in years" gutter punks, and they smell bad (though I suppose, being homeless and all, they have an excuse).

Hmmm. Girls in gamestores is what pisses me off. Not the girls themselves, but how everybody suddenly starts staring, as though they've never seen a girl in their life. And heaven forbid it be a hot day and she's wearing weather appropriate clothing. It's like an episode of the Twilight Zone. (I'm a guy, btw).

Hmm, or even worse, if my girlfriend shows up, and as she doesn't play, she usually will just cling around me - which draws even more stares because we're interracial. Maybe if you guys wouldn't do that, next time she comes she'll have freshly baked cookies...


So there. Please don't get upset when people publicly and legally dare to show what they are, since last I checked it isn't illegal to be gay or to have a bad sense of fashion.

Sadly, it is illegal to be gay in some parts of the world.

This thread has gone from one about generic things which happen in GW stores that annoy you to, and let's be honest, a pointless tirade of heavily biased stories about something which may or may not have happened to you in a GW. It really now does nothing but clog up the general hobby discussion forum.

In addition, sexual talk of any kind is forbidden on LO. People should not get into debates about that sort of thing here.

Time to move on, methinks :)

Stonehambey