How will this affect traited marines, space wolves, death watch and daemon hunters?
I presume a FAQ will answer it, but until then what? Ignore it? Play it as it was in 4th?

This should maybe be in the rules bit, I don't know...

I'm fairly sure the rules are reproduced in the DH Codex and the DW Rules from GW's website - not sure about the DG in C:CSM though.

Until then, I'd say yes, as the rule doesn't seem to contradict anything in the 5th Edition rulebook.

and yes, this should probably be in the 40k Rules Help forum :)

Death Guard don't have true grit anymore. They have more weapons instead.
Deathwatch and daemonhunters, and wolves all have True Grit in their codex so can continue to use it.

Death Guard don't have true grit anymore. They have more weapons instead.

Cooincedentally, whereas Death Guard may have lost True Grit, Gordon Brown (the Prime Minister of Great Britain for those who don't know) seems to have gained it.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Brown has 'true grit' says Harman (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7497512.stm)

Cooincedentally, whereas Death Guard may have lost True Grit, Gordon Brown (the Prime Minister of Great Britain for those who don't know) seems to have gained it.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Brown has 'true grit' says Harman (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7497512.stm)

haha, like that. good spot. Rep heading your way for that one!

I am almost sure that Space Wolves keep true grit for the time being.

*rolls up his Sleeve eyeing off GW* i SW best be keeping True grit or a certain gaming company is going to see the wrong end of the boltgun

I am almost sure that Space Wolves keep true grit for the time being.

Well since you have to have at least one pack of Grey Hunters and Grey Hunters thrive on True Grit, I would hope so!

*rolls up his Sleeve eyeing off GW* i SW best be keeping True grit or a certain gaming company is going to see the wrong end of the boltgun

My suspicion is that GW will say something along the lines of "Models with True Grit get .... instead" What that "..." will be is anyone's guess, but two attacks be nice (and then 3 on the charge). GW will likely answer these questions in the new faqs due out in the next two weeks.

On the bright side, even if your SW are shafted, it will only be for a few months, as the new SW codex is due out in December. Considering how nasty regular SM are looking, I think wolves will be treated very well.

Or perhaps in the new codex Wolves with get the CSM treatment, and get equipped with BP/CCW along with their Bolter.

So... Gordon Brown is either a Grey Knight, Plague Marine or Space Dog then?

Awesome.

I reckon comparing Gordon Brown to anything with true grit is unfair to that unit type.
As for SW Grey Hunters, I hope that they don't just get a pistol, combat weapon and bolter, like chaos marines, because then they'll be nothing really special.

SWs keep the True Grit rules in the Codex for the time being, from the FAQ (Score! Combi-weapons count for True Grit again), thanks to being a 3rd ed. Codex, like DH.

And I'd also hope that the Wolves don't get Chaos's Uber-Grit, but keep with their True Grit, same as was. However, I realise, in the new, 'streamlined, simplified' (read: dumbed down) way the rules are going, I doubt we'll see as many Codex-specific Special Rules. And as the Wolves have a good few (although some, like ATSKNF and Acute Senses are in the Rulebook. And one's for an equipment choice few people use [Fenrisian Wolves]. And No Matter The Odds has been removed from the game entirely) I think we can expect to see them lose a few. I weep :'(

Wolves will probably get Stubborn to make up for no matter the odds, and will probably get to keep true grit as they were the first to have it.

I think they are making true grit just for the elite and traditional. Grey Knights fill both categories, as do Death Watch and whilst Wolves aren't all that elite compared to other chapters, they have had through 2 editions now.
I suppose traited marines made too heavy a use of true grit, that it became to common and not at all fluffy. I know every DIY chapter I ever planned to make revolved around true grit, simply because a marine with a bolter in one hand and chainsword in the other looks cool.
Bolt pistols are for girls.

And I'd also hope that the Wolves don't get Chaos's Uber-Grit, but keep with their True Grit, same as was. However, I realise, in the new, 'streamlined, simplified' (read: dumbed down) way the rules are going, I doubt we'll see as many Codex-specific Special Rules. And as the Wolves have a good few (although some, like ATSKNF and Acute Senses are in the Rulebook. And one's for an equipment choice few people use [Fenrisian Wolves]. And No Matter The Odds has been removed from the game entirely) I think we can expect to see them lose a few. I weep :'(

The only problem with keeping true grit as is for Space wolves is that they either lose counter attack, or have 2 attacks on the charge, and 3 when they recieve a charge. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I hope they get either uber grit, or bolters count as pistols with no exceptions (or they get equipted with bolter+CCW and have 2 attacks in the profile negating any reason for the rule. Though fluff wise I love the rule).

don't all units effectively have counter attack in 5th edition?

Yes, effectively. Models with the counter attack rule now get an additional attack when they are charged, as I remember it (rule book not to hand)

True grit allows you to count a bolter as a bolt pistol as long as you don't charge but not gain charging bonus, right? So if SW have true grit + counter attack + basic marine profile + bolter and bolt pistol, that means they will have 2A (1A + charging) on the charge, and 3A (1A + counter + bolter and pistol)otherwise. Is that right? Makes them a more defensive force rather than the blood thirsty louts they are...

I must have that wrong somewhere....

well... no not at all, if counter attack imbues a charge bonus attack, presumably true-grit will get rid of that as well...

So, they'll only get 2 attacks if charged too.

So...then, true grit becomes redundant if you have counter attack?
I don't have my rule book to hand - but if counter attack describes the bonus attack like a charging attack, it seems true grit and counter attack cannot work in unison?

So...then, true grit becomes redundant if you have counter attack?
I don't have my rule book to hand - but if counter attack describes the bonus attack like a charging attack, it seems true grit and counter attack cannot work in unison?

It doesn't really become redundant, because you still get the +1 attack, even in the rounds of combat after the first. Which means having True Grit and Counter Attack is as effective as it was in 4th Ed., but everyone else has caught up slightly.

So, a truegritted counter attacking marine with bolter and bolt pistol will always have 2 attacks, regardless whether he is charging, being charged, or in 2nd + round of combat.

So....heh heh....using the speculated new rules in the new codex - my squad could be charged and, after passing a LD test, fight with 2A. Then it could disengage and fall back and rapid fire into the unit that charged it, again assuming a LD test is passed. Finally, should the blasted unit still be alive and charge me again (there is no point in my charging when I can rapid fire if I have true grit and counter attack, right?) I STILL get 2 attacks.

Okidoke....

Erm... Yeah.. I think that's right, lol.

Grey Hunters pwn at being assaulted. World Eaters and Blood Angels of the world? Come an' 'ave a go if yah think yah 'ard enough.

So, a truegritted counter attacking marine with bolter and bolt pistol will always have 2 attacks, regardless whether he is charging, being charged, or in 2nd + round of combat.

So....heh heh....using the speculated new rules in the new codex - my squad could be charged and, after passing a LD test, fight with 2A. Then it could disengage and fall back and rapid fire into the unit that charged it, again assuming a LD test is passed. Finally, should the blasted unit still be alive and charge me again (there is no point in my charging when I can rapid fire if I have true grit and counter attack, right?) I STILL get 2 attacks.

Okidoke....

Sounds good, until you realise that the ones assaulting you are Genestealers or Daemonettes, where the extra attacks really matter :)

Now plague marines on the other hand with their tasty blight grenades....

:D

You only get the +1 attack if you have Counter attack special rule, pass a Ld test and move, the guys who were charged can't move but have True Grit so get +1 attack too, so everyone has always got 2 attacks in combat, unless they are dead, or have a fist. so now you'll want to keep the fist guy out of charge range so he can counter charge to get +1 attack!

Cooincedentally, whereas Death Guard may have lost True Grit, Gordon Brown (the Prime Minister of Great Britain for those who don't know) seems to have gained it.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Brown has 'true grit' says Harman (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7497512.stm)

lol. rep 4 sure