Hey all,

Now I went down to the store the other day to get some Brazen Brass and they told me that it had be discontinued. :thunder:

BUT from what I hear :secret:, it can easily be created with Tinbitz and Boltgun.. is this true?
If so whats the ratio? If not what makes it?

I don't have brazen brass to judge what it should look like. :watermelon:

Basically I'm painting Dante in all his glory and want to have his gold look as amazing as possible so I was going with the tinbitz, brazen brass, shining gold, mithral combo :drink:

Any and all help is appreciated.

Dwarf Bronze is a fairly similar paint, but I did definately prefer Brazen Brass.

A guy at my LFGS uses Vallejo Brassy Brass, and swears by it, but my opinion on Vallejo metallics is fairly low, though I haven't tried that one in particular.

Seeing as you're working up through lots of golds anyway, what I would probably do is:
Scorched Brown base coat (ie: all over).
Tin Bitz, leaving SB in the deep recesses (metallics are shiny, and thus look odd when they are used as a shade, IMO).
Dwarf Bronze/Tin Bitz [50/50].
Dwarf Bronze.
Shining Gold/Dwarf Bronze [50/50].
Wash Devlan Mud [all over].
Shining Gold/Dwarf Bronze [50/50].
Shining Gold.
Mithril Silver/Shining Gold [50/50].
Mithril Silver.

...obviously with each layer getting smaller and smaller...
Will take a little while, but will look deep and lusterous.
In a good way.

-t.

Good riddance.

I hate hate HATE that color. Never came out proper-like. I've tried thinning, I've tried dozens of thin coats...never comes out the way it should.

Playing Black Legion CSM means I've painted a LOT of Brazen Brass...looks like I need to find a replacement for that devil color.

Dwarf Bronze is a fairly similar paint, but I did definately prefer Brazen Brass.

A guy at my LFGS uses Vallejo Brassy Brass, and swears by it, but my opinion on Vallejo metallics is fairly low, though I haven't tried that one in particular.

Seeing as you're working up through lots of golds anyway, what I would probably do is:
Scorched Brown base coat (ie: all over).
Tin Bitz, leaving SB in the deep recesses (metallics are shiny, and thus look odd when they are used as a shade, IMO).
Dwarf Bronze/Tin Bitz [50/50].
Dwarf Bronze.
Shining Gold/Dwarf Bronze [50/50].
Wash Devlan Mud [all over].
Shining Gold/Dwarf Bronze [50/50].
Shining Gold.
Mithril Silver/Shining Gold [50/50].
Mithril Silver.

...obviously with each layer getting smaller and smaller...
Will take a little while, but will look deep and lusterous.
In a good way.

-t.

CHeers dude.

Basically I don't want to give anymore money to GW at the moment so I'm going it with out the Dwarf Bronze and the Devlan Mud.

Being that I had already Tinbitz it, this is the way I've done it thus far.

Tinbitz
Scorched Brown wash
Tinbitz/Mithril Silver
Scorched brown wash in recesses only
Shining Gold / Tinbitz
Shining Gold <-- this is where I'm up to
Shining Gold / Mithril
Mithril

Now I have two questions.
1. I have chestnut ink which I normally use on my golds... but i was thinking it would be too much for a model like dante where the gold is making up 90% of the model. Would you recommend it?
2. How do you paint metallics? I've painted lots of GreyKnights in the past and always worried when doing so. Basically if you thin them down you get really patchy colours and otherwise you'd paint straight on it but I fear that it will get to thick and the model will look gluggy. Do you do heaps of thin layers or few thicker coats.


thanks

Loosing Brazen Brass , i lost 1/3 of my useable paint :thunder: . I really need that color ,so does any-one have the formula to make it,please post? I'll try Tinbitz with Boltgun.

My Khorne army is displeased.
I recommend securing all doors and windows, as they are prone to rioting.
Guess I better head by the store and buy up all the pots in stock.

:beer::beer:

Now I have two questions.
1. I have chestnut ink which I normally use on my golds... but i was thinking it would be too much for a model like dante where the gold is making up 90% of the model. Would you recommend it?
2. How do you paint metallics? I've painted lots of GreyKnights in the past and always worried when doing so. Basically if you thin them down you get really patchy colours and otherwise you'd paint straight on it but I fear that it will get to thick and the model will look gluggy. Do you do heaps of thin layers or few thicker coats.

I personally *hate* inks, generally.
The Scorched Brown wash (or Mud, if you decide to go for it) does the same thing, only better, and isn't hella-shiny.
So, in answer to no. 1, I wouldn't reccomend it, no.

For no. 2, I use thinned paint for metallics, just like everything else. Generally, I haven't found that they become overly patchy, but golds certainly do occasionally.
Basically, because you are working up in a decent ammount of layers, it isn't really something to worry about.
Any patchiness in one layer should be covered by the next and the next, etc etc.

If it's something you're really worried about, add a little Mithril Silver (basically white paint plus metallic-ness) to each layer, to up the metallic content, and add some glazes of Scorched Brown after most layers (to darken it down colour-wise again).

-t.

I never did figure out the inks myself or how to make a metallic look like I wanted. Typically I watered them and used them as accents. I always thought the Brass was too bright for my Angels so I went with a copper for detailing.

I use the VMC Brassy Brass. Washed with a little bit of brown, it makes a nice smooth base for gold and silver highlights

I think that boltgun metal under dwarf bronze looks pretty much like brazen brass.

Sorry this took so long.

A big thanks to everyone for the help

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Yo, that's pretty cool man. But let me guess - you went with thick coats as opposed to many thin coats?

As to the glossy inks...in my own experience, I found that a nice matte varnish pretty much gets rid of the glossiness making the inks still pretty usable. Although the new washes seem a lot easier to use and are really cool.

Nah, that is 1 million thin coats... I know why you say that but I think thats just from the metallic paint and macro brings out all the imperfections of the metal model.

Glosss? I got lost at that part.

oh, the gloss part was more of a reply to minus_t's "I hate inks" comment :) sounded like he hated the shininess, so I just said how to get rid of it, but I'm sure he already knew :)

An awesome way to lose the gloss... and I hope this wasn't said on the previous page but glazing works a treat...