Games Workshop (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/home.jsp)

I try my usual way of getting into to GW website - gamesworkshop.com then select UK - and it's brought me to this?
It wasn't like this yesterday - this is like the US site but with english prices of things.

Is it just me?

This is the american site has been like this for quite some time. It sucks. A lot of really good content is nowhere to be found.

Its not, it's the UK site. It's got the UK phone number on it, prices in £ not $, a UK store locator etc

I initially thought it was the US site, but every way of getting into the UK website just leads me to this - google, typing the address etc

Its not, it's the UK site. It's got the UK phone number on it, prices in £ not $, a UK store locator etc

I initially thought it was the US site, but every way of getting into the UK website just leads me to this - google, typing the address etc

This is the new uk site LIKE the uk site. Great huh?

My usual link no longer works, and when I can access the website its
all different and the prices are in $ !!!

I don’t usual moan about G.W, but the forgotten hive fleet section is now gone.
Thank the hive mind I printed off the designs for the Zoats when I had the chance.

Not happy tho.

- Boomer.

That's not all that got lost, great GT armies, various articles.

Basically to find stuff on the new site, you have to be a master in the arcane arts of Search Engine and Clicking Random Links.

Nowhere near the goodness of articles there was.

In the US, we have had this now for several months. We were the guinea pigs and now it is headed everywhere. Shifting from html/xtml to database... gotta love it.

Many of the articles are there... you just have to look where you least expect them and searching does almost nothing since the search is looking for product and not articles. Try clicking on the army you want and then look at the left hand menu (you might have to expand it) and look for Blah Articles.

Good Luck!
Homer

BTW There is a little button on the bottom some where that lets you look at other countries' sites.

A giant step back for useabilty.
Slower, more prone to errors!
Man, this site is the vista of websites!

Oh well.. I for one am glad I was able to avoid the US Site for so long.. now there is nowhere to hide.

Oh great.
Just as I'm enjoying the old layout of the UK site, they just have to change it :thunder:.

It looks "updated" and "cleaner" IMO, but browsing though the site is a lot of pain.
Plus its very slow to load, which means more pain.
The articles and everything is still there, though IIRC.
You just need more effort to find them.


It's a pain, but what else could we do, huh?
You'd just had to get used to it. I did with the US site.

It's terrible. Where is the online store?

The OZ site is still using the old format. And there is definitely not as much content on the new site as the old. Some of the articles were carried over, but not nearly as many as could have been. The UK site was where I went for useful and interesting information and the US for looking at new models. Guess it'll have to be the OZ one until that gets axed. I miss things like the cadian rough rider biker conversion and variant scenarios.

*growls at the newer, much slower site*

Can anyone find the rules for Armoured Companies, Kroot Mercanaries and Deathwatch anymore? Because I can't.

Armoured Company (http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/articles/armouredcompany/default.htm)
Deathwatch (http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/gaming/deathwatch/default.htm)

Couldn't seem to find the kroot mercs list though. Get them while you still can.

Armoured Company (http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/articles/armouredcompany/default.htm)
Deathwatch (http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/gaming/deathwatch/default.htm)

Couldn't seem to find the kroot mercs list though. Get them while you still can.

Thanks mate :)

While i have to turn my firewall off to use it (don't ask) it is nice not to have to go to a seperate website to buy stuff.

I'm never buying anything from GW online again. I can't handle it. Now you have to log in (I hate those kind of sites) and if you want more than a single item it's going to take a while to bring up your order.

I'll still buy from GW stores, but there isn't one nearby. Failing that I am going to have to buy from cheaper online stores, something I haven't done before, ebay and local stores.

There is a little bit of nose and face cutting and spiting going on, but I hope many of the million customers GW has do likewise - it is just not user friendly enough.

Disgruntled.

don't worry dave in the grim darkness of the far future there is only worse...

the new site is just a catalog, and a slow loading one.

Yes, new site sucks. But i only use it for occasional reference, as in to see what i`m saving by not buying direct from GW. I havent bought from them in well over a year.

The only reason that the new site is slower is because only one server is working it. The others are still on the old site, and should be transfered before too long. Personally, I really like it. Now it's easier to find your way around.

Just to buck the trend I'll say how much I like the look and more (IMHO) comprehensive feel of it. I also like not needing to open a different site to buy as opposed to read. However I need it to be faster!!!

Just to buck the trend I'll say how much I like the look and more (IMHO) comprehensive feel of it. I also like not needing to open a different site to buy as opposed to read. However I need it to be faster!!!

Despite my previous negative comments, I do have to agree with you, to some extent.

It is more user-friendly, we just find it hard because we're used to the old one.

But. It's far, far too slow, and they've cut out too many of the old articles.

Despite my previous negative comments, I do have to agree with you, to some extent.

It is more user-friendly, we just find it hard because we're used to the old one.

But. It's far, far too slow, and they've cut out too many of the old articles.

And where is the news page? I can't find it. All I can find is a crappy drop down menu with a few Gamesday things on it, no new releases, sneak peeks nothing. Also where is the link to Forge world?. Gaaah are GW determined to lose business, first the travesty that is White Dwarf and now this.

It's the lack of a dedicated online store which has done my head in.
I don't want to flick through a load of slow loading pages to try and find what I want, especially if I'm only looking to see what the models are armed with whilst drawing up my army list.

If I was new to the game and couldn't decide between aliens, humans, baddies or whatever and decided to go with the ones I like the models for it'd take me so long to see them all I probably wouldn't bother.

I'm not as bothered about the articles, there is much better advice, tips and paint schemes to be found on here, it's the online store.

I know some people kick up a fuss about every little thing GW does, but this is the first change that has really bugged me.

first the travesty that is White Dwarf and now this.

Nah, first was the closing of the GW forum, i still miss it. It was bad decision.
And, in my opinion they should never have had anything to do with LotR, but i know from experience not many agree with me.

GW Oz still hasn't been updated this year (from my reckoning anyway), and it's always had the least information of any of the sites, so you guys can't complain too much. On the other hand, I'm definitely with you on the "upgrade" you've gotten, it's shyte...

There are many things about the new site I personally don't like, things mentioned already. However little things like being able to deliver to your store straight from the website and big shiny pictures of all thier products to name a couple kinda bring my criticisms to an equilibrium. Yes it's slow and suffers from a severe lack of hobby content, for the moment. But being able to look at your desired purchases in all thier glory and not have to use two websites at the same time makes me, reluctantly albeit, approve of what they've done. Plus the Gamesday and Golden Demon pages are the best they've done in my opinion... :)

What bugs me is that for a limited time you can get a sgt model if you buy £50 or more, wish i had known that before my recent order.

I truthly hate the new website its can be pretty slow at loading even on my gaming pc and i have 2gig broadband connection but the only thing i do like the the zoomable pictures which is great at looking before i buy.

The site is also been down for maintance since last night. May a spark of hope to them changing it back for us :P.

I don't like this new site, it is badly designed. I find it is harder to move navigate and find what you want and the feel of it is clumsy and unproffessional. There is also nothing in the way of articles. I think that previously things like concept art were amoung things that made it interesting. They started to go which was a bad move and now they have removed much of the articles as well. GW is going in the wrong direction with their site as it no longer works well to support the hobby. Supporting the hobby is what it is meant to do, provide new info, missions, conversions etc.

However now it is little more than a slow-loading catalogue. I like to find prices but I don't like them in my face like it is done on this site. It reminds me of Pokemon or the Pokemon theme "gotta catch em all!" Or "gotta buy em, you gotta buy, buy, buy, you got to buy em all!". This is annoying in the extreme. I don't think it is really a case of getting used to it, the new GW site is just of a poor standard.

I'm actually finding it frustrating now, when clicking on buttons nothing happens. I have to reload the page in order to carry on, and sometimes it just comes up with a blank white window. =\ I'm afraid it's a:bad:from me now....

The new site is trash. Period.

They did this with the Canadian site aswell, GW is just screwing up their internet connections. First getting rid of black gobbo and now this, it's just unbeleivable.

I think the site is 'prettier' and not as daunting as the old site for new comers. They need to bring back the content because it seems to me like a store instead of a hobby site like it used to be

Hello. I was trying to order some parts from the new website using the part codes from the collector's guide. Problem is, I cant seem to find where I'm supposed to find theese parts. I tried searching for the part code but no results. I never tried ordering individual parts before, where exactly do I need to go to accomplish this?

Thanks for your help.

Hello. I was trying to order some parts from the new website using the part codes from the collector's guide. Problem is, I cant seem to find where I'm supposed to find theese parts. I tried searching for the part code but no results. I never tried ordering individual parts before, where exactly do I need to go to accomplish this?

Thanks for your help.

games workshop have stopped selling the individual bits, but you can find some on an army's product list.

I have managed to find some missing articles by looking at products, in related articles there's stuff i couldn't find otherwise.

also, the site was good when i was deciding what to buy.

Bummer...

Thanks anyway.

Edit: And in regards to the new webpage. It has definite potential, if only it were faster...

woohoo ! FINALLY the UK gets to experience the crap-tastic site forced on us Americans by Brits who just dont care. The old site along with Black Gobbo was wonderful. It is like they are intentionally trying to destroy the hobby.

woohoo ! FINALLY the UK gets to experience the crap-tastic site forced on us Americans by Brits who just dont care. The old site along with Black Gobbo was wonderful. It is like they are intentionally trying to destroy the hobby.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Britain... sorry GREAT Britain was supposed to care about the US. You wanted to be independant from us, remember?

I don't know about anyone else, but your comment about britian not careing, and trying to destroy the hobby causes me great offence. I've done extensive research into my families history and I found out that I am decended from an ancient Gaelic bloodline. Britain flows in my viens, as my blood flows through Britain. I could not be more proud to be British.


Oh, and by the way, the new site was developed by Americans, and forced on you by Americans. GW HQ, here in Britain had very little to do with it.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Britain... sorry GREAT Britain was supposed to care about the US. You wanted to be independant from us, remember?

I don't know about anyone else, but your comment about britian not careing, and trying to destroy the hobby causes me great offence. I've done extensive research into my families history and I found out that I am decended from an ancient Gaelic bloodline. Britain flows in my viens, as my blood flows through Britain. I could not be more proud to be British.


Oh, and by the way, the new site was developed by Americans, and forced on you by Americans. GW HQ, here in Britain had very little to do with it.

I think your being a wee bit oversensitive. Take a deep breath man, jeez.

I think the new site (Canadian one anyways) Is fine personally, its not much slower but the lack of content is a real annoyance. I hope they make a separate area and put up all the old articles there or some such so that we can have access to it.

Quite simply the new site is very poor, the layout is okay (old site 100% better) also i cant remember the last time i went on it and it didnt crash.

I found the new UK Website very annoying. You cannot find what you want. I'm a web developer.
There are no events or generic hobby pages like before, and of course the Warhammer World site is gone. :(

Besides the old UK design been better, now the site is down!!!

Besides the old UK design been better, now the site is down!!!

Let's hope this means they're fixing it.

ok... SOMe major new problems, but its not all bad.

We now have decent sized photos of the miniatures so when looking for some cool bit for converting we can actually see what we're looking for (I spent weeks staring at the head of the Champion of Tzeentch before I managed to get into a store and work out he kinda has two heads)

The stats displayed freely is a useful way of quickly finding out about new armies/opponents. Plus if GW are publishing freely the stats line of every nits maybe posters on forums will not have to be as paranoid about not infringing copyright when discussing something.

Like everyone else I truly lament the loss of many of the articles, but you've gotta admit a lot (not all I know) of what's gone was very out of date (true it needed updating not cutting). There were hobby articles that gave reference for parts you could no longer get/get separately. Painting articles often referred to discontinued paints. Tactics articles were often 4th or even 3rd edition 40K (one of my mates got truly confused about how kroot field hounds by reading an old article referring to the 'release the hounds' rules).

For months before the change GW had produced almost no content, at least now they're adding stuff, even if it is all marines painting guides.

Oh and one last thing, don't forget, even though GW have deleted all these old articles, they are still on googles cached servers. Search for the article you want and even though the link will just redirect you to GW's new front end, if you click on the little blue word 'cached' under the description you get redirected to a copy of the old page (minus the pictures)

This for example it the old Tau human auxiliaries rules

GW Online : Warhammer 40,000 : Tau : Tau Human Auxiliaries (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:zFk7n6nK-SYJ:uk.games-workshop.com/tau/tau-auxiliaries/1/+games+workshop+tau+human+helper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari)

I doubt google will keep these forever though, so save what you need now before its gone

hope that helps.

*growls at the newer, much slower site*

Can anyone find the rules for Armoured Companies, Kroot Mercanaries and Deathwatch anymore? Because I can't.

Using google caches I could find the page about the kroot mercs, but unfortunately the pdf it links to is long gone (google does not save the linked to files, mind you it was a modification of the out of date codex: Tau, not the Tau Empire I suppose)

GW Online : Warhammer 40,000 : Tau : Kroot Mercenary List (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:5lwjdsSqTjQJ:uk.games-workshop.com/tau/kroot-list/+games+workshop+kroot+mercenaries&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari)

It's terrible. Where is the online store?
What do you think the entire site is?

We now have decent sized photos of the miniatures so when looking for some cool bit for converting we can actually see what we're looking for (I spent weeks staring at the head of the Champion of Tzeentch before I managed to get into a store and work out he kinda has two heads)


Right there with you. I also find it useful when painting. No, I don't necessarily HAVE to paint things the way GW does, but on occasion I find, even after searching CMON and other sites, that there is NO reference photo of a model I want to paint. Seeing the nice, big photos on the new site is at least a nice starting point.


The stats displayed freely is a useful way of quickly finding out about new armies/opponents. Plus if GW are publishing freely the stats line of every nits maybe posters on forums will not have to be as paranoid about not infringing copyright when discussing something.


It's not bad, but I wonder of those little blurbs are enough to convey what the unit can really do? As to being "paranoid," well, sorry about that, but them's the rules, and I really don't think it's so hard to communicate without using stats. Sorry, but this has been a big problem in some forums of late.


Like everyone else I truly lament the loss of many of the articles, but you've gotta admit a lot (not all I know) of what's gone was very out of date (true it needed updating not cutting). There were hobby articles that gave reference for parts you could no longer get/get separately. Painting articles often referred to discontinued paints. Tactics articles were often 4th or even 3rd edition 40K (one of my mates got truly confused about how kroot field hounds by reading an old article referring to the 'release the hounds' rules).

For months before the change GW had produced almost no content, at least now they're adding stuff, even if it is all marines painting guides.


You make a good point here, but I still say simply removing them all en masse was a bad idea. I still say GW is far more interested in selling models and supplies than actually promoting the game these days. When you consider the dwindling (nonexistent?) gameplay/chapter approved content in White Dwarf one can't help but assume that we can expect more of the same problem with the new Web site. If they really cared about articles, we'd have never seen the decline of them in print. GW has an enormous opportunity through both its site and proprietary magazine to be a major resource and wealth of knowledge for players, painters and modelers.

The current trend so far suggests, by most accounts, that GW has blown it. Badly.

It's not bad, but I wonder of those little blurbs are enough to convey what the unit can really do? As to being "paranoid," well, sorry about that, but them's the rules, and I really don't think it's so hard to communicate without using stats. Sorry, but this has been a big problem in some forums of late.

Perhaps I worded myself badly. I didn't mean paranoid as a criticism. I understand as well as anyone that GW can, and will protect their intellectual property and generally never put much in the way of rules on the internet. My point was that this posting of stats, for whatever reason, could have some use, as presumably you can quote form what GW makes freely available on the internet. It by no means tells you all you need to know about a unit (seeing the stats of a Plague bearer without knowing what fell no pain odes is still pretty misleading). At leats its something, its better than nothing and its better than what we had in that one instance

In fact thats my thoughts overall. This new website is not as good as the old site (back when it was regularly updated), but it does have some good points, especially when you consider how out of date much of the old content was. I would have loved for them to have gone through the whole site, updating rules, changing product codes etc, but the company can't afford to do anything at the moment that is not a direct source of money.

Overall yes, its bad, as are a lot of recent decisions, but then I'm not sure what else I'd expect form a commercial business, owned by large faceless hedge funds, in the middle of a recession, after the 'removal' of a chunk of their r'n'd team at a time of increasing games console use at the cost of table top gaming. In fact its a miracle we're getting anything other than SM cash cows and price hikes.

Its an interesting dilemma that fan support can only really be done when a company is making a healthy enough profit and not when its having problems, BUT this is exactly when it is needed if it doesn't want to loose its core support.

Anyway the main point of my post was intended to be showing people how to use google caches to retrieve at least a little of that lost content. I was trying to help ;)

Anyway the main point of my post was intended to be showing people how to use google caches to retrieve at least a little of that lost content. I was trying to help

and i truly appreciated that, it was very helpful.

REP.

In fact thats my thoughts overall. This new website is not as good as the old site (back when it was regularly updated), but it does have some good points, especially when you consider how out of date much of the old content was. I would have loved for them to have gone through the whole site, updating rules, changing product codes etc, but the company can't afford to do anything at the moment that is not a direct source of money.


I think we're on the same page here. I personally don't think you can "revamp" a Web site without either leaving the content in place (as you pointed out, not a great idea) or replacing it with newer, better content. Rather than getting some new articles on ALL the armies ready to go prior to the new site launch (in other words, doing it right) they took the cheap and lazy way out, and it will cost them core fans if they keep it up.

OH just remembered, another way of looking at old websites is the wayback machine

Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://uk.games-workshop.com)

They have cached versions of the old site going back to 2001. I don't think there is much detail, buts its quite amusing to reminisce


(wow they used to have a community section! The Games Workshop Online Community (http://web.archive.org/web/20030202185154/uk.games-workshop.com/community/community.UK) )

the cheap and lazy way out.

lol, ie a few sm articles to cover most people and hope other armies didn't notice ;)

(wow they used to have a community section! The Games Workshop Online Community (http://web.archive.org/web/20030202185154/uk.games-workshop.com/community/community.UK) )

Yeah, that's going back a bit. I don't know why it was shut down. I heard they didn't have the time/personnel/inclination to moderate it properly. Should have seen that a sign of things going downhill there.

Its a real shame. I'd have thought a forum would be a cheap way to keep fans engaged, they do most of the writing. I moderate a forum for computer game alliance, and thats not that much time and no money (mind you only about 20 people ;) ). Silly silly GW :(

i got banned from that forum for making innapropriate comments, the mean and evil LO irc channel made me to do it

And, in my opinion they should never have had anything to do with LotR, but i know from experience not many agree with me.

I collect LOTR and in many ways I feel it a better game than 40k which I also play but I must agree that Lotr will eventually show to be a bad idea due to the fact that there is a limit to how many models they can make. Also one day it will die out cus peeps will get bored at some point it will just rot cus their as i have stated just not enough to keep it going. I like it as a game it is very good.

Also I miss the GW forum that was dumb of them. I don't like the new website it makes my comp go really slow and has a rubbish menu system I prefered the old one which was all their not where you have to scroll and click through it all like now.

Nah, first was the closing of the GW forum, i still miss it. It was bad decision.
And, in my opinion they should never have had anything to do with LotR, but i know from experience not many agree with me.

I totally agree with you, LOTR was the single worse mistake GW have ever made and who ever decided to change WD to its present shambolic state is not that far behind in the idiotic decision making league.

I to liked the GW forum, it was a good place to get official answers to rules queries.