2K Friendly - need advice plz

[Royalwulff]

Hello all,

Have decided to start painting my Brets - but wanted some advice on the list. I am trying for an effective yet "fluffy" list that will do well on most battlefields.

Any advice, comments or ideas greatly welcome.

Lord - Barded, Virtue of Joust, Heartwood Lance, Gromril Helm, - 234
Gauntlets of the Duel, Hvy Armour and Shield

BSB - Barded Armour of Agilulf, Sword of Might, Lance - 122

Damsel Lvl 1 - 2 X Dispel - 130

8 Knights of the Realm (FC) - 216 -Lord Here
8 Knights of the Realm (FC) - 216 -BSB Here
20 Men at Arms (Std and Music) - 115
20 Men at Arms (Std and Music) - 115
10 Bowmen with Stakes and Braziers - 65
10 Bowmen with Stakes and Braziers - 65
10 Skirmishing Bowmen - 70

3 Pegasus Knights with Music - 175
5 Yeomen with Music - 82
5 Yeomen with Music - 82

5 Grail Knights (Music and Std) -220 - Damsel here
1 Trebuchet

PD - 2+1
DD - 2+1+1MR+2XDispell

Total points 1998

Comments, Ideas and Thoughts greatly welcome

Thanks in advance

[BretLord]

Lord - Barded, Virtue of Joust, Heartwood Lance, Gromril Helm, - 234
Gauntlets of the Duel, Hvy Armour and Shield
Nice, good for taking out his nasty characters or a fair number of troups, I quite like this. Also would consider the Lance of artois, Killing blow with 4 attacks and rerolls to hit? high chance of getting all 4 hits through and then a 67% chance of killing his character out right! If he is more for balance, character and unit killing, maybe stick with the HL

BSB - Barded Armour of Agilulf, Sword of Might, Lance - 122
Fair enough, I change the armour for the virtue of duty as I like having the extra combat res, but this gives him a bit more survivability and fight back.

Damsel Lvl 1 - 2 X Dispel - 130
I would have another one of these, dropping a DS for the chalice. I had that in a game against magic heavy lizards and it still wasn't enough magic protection. any magic heavy army is gonna find this a walk over. also I assume she is mounted as she is in the grails, and you paid the points, you just didn't say.

8 Knights of the Realm (FC) - 216 -Lord Here
8 Knights of the Realm (FC) - 216 -BSB Here
Consider making one of these errants with the erranty banner. a unit thats s6, immune to psych on charge is pretty nice. also consider the warbanner for the other unit, gotta love static combat res as a bret. you must break people to run them down, and to do that you need to win by lots! Dropping one of the knights to make way for the new damsel will make up the points more or less.
20 Men at Arms (Std and Music) - 115
20 Men at Arms (Std and Music) - 115
I'll be honest, I love men at arms, but they are a bit weak. having this many of them in this way is definately not the best. 1 casualty and you lose your nice rank bonus. either put in another 3 m@a per unit, or consider the use of units of 10, no upgrades. They are there to get killed, but on a flank of your knights can redirect charges away and generally be handy in dying! maybe lose one unit and split the other in 2, this should give you some points for the other damsel

10 Bowmen with Stakes and Braziers - 65
10 Bowmen with Stakes and Braziers - 65
10 Skirmishing Bowmen - 70
I have no problem with these
3 Pegasus Knights with Music - 175
I'd consider losing the muscian, I haven't had my unit of these flee yet, without them fleeing right off the board! Now, what you might consider, though you'd have to find the points, is another one of these. if you lose one they will still be over US5, so still of use for nasty rear charges
5 Yeomen with Music - 82
5 Yeomen with Music - 82
both fine, I only field one unit at the mo as haven't converted any more, not sure I would find use for 2 units and pegs.
5 Grail Knights (Music and Std) -220 - Damsel here
good, though I question the need for command models. I'd like to combine these guys charge with one of those big blocks of knights, in which case you'll already have one in combat with you, and the grails ones are much more expensive. Anything weak enough to hammer with these guys alone shouldn't be any problems with you winning the combat. I don't know, haven't properly run grail knights myself yet, but I always like this size unit best.
1 Trebuchet
Flying rocks from above, very unbrettonian but also brilliant fun. I have 2 in my list, always. Killed the skink on an EotG twice in recent games, by dropping big rocks on his head. If your good at guessing then these are really good, and scare your opponent.





These are all just suggestions but i hope they help to see why I think that. Anyway, hope this helps, on the whole not a bad list



BretLord

[warhammer madman]

BSB - Barded Armour of Agilulf, Sword of Might, Lance - 122
Fair enough, I change the armour for the virtue of duty as I like having the extra combat res, but this gives him a bit more survivability and fight back.



I agree with all that has been said but your BsB is illegal youmay not give him a sheild and the armour of Agilulf includes one so it cannot be equiped to the BsB. Also he may not have a mundane lance so maybbe wrmlance and the virtue of duty. otherwise great I agree with Bretlord on most of his points (other than command on the grail knights you need to win combat by lots!) and trebs are bretoniany! (word?) Just dont hit your knights it hurts (Damned scatters)

[BretLord]

Yeah, forgot aguif includes the shield, that is illegal on a BSB. I also would argue that since he cant have a mundane lance, he can't have a magical one either. (Though this is a known point of debate.)

as for grail knights, I only meant no command as I would usually be hitting the same target unit with this and one of the big lances as well, to help guarentee breaking the enemy... and only one of muscician and standards count for combat res so I drop the one on the grails. 30pts is quite a lot! Is a matter of opinion I suppose.

Hehe, and trebs are wonderful, just remembering back to my earlier days with brets when we didn't have them as all shooting was frowned upon, back in the day of the really awkward lance formation and the suprisingly handy arrowhead!


BretLord

[Royalwulff]

Thanks for te advice guys - much appreciated.

I think I will drop the Yeomen entirely add a 4th Peg, another Damsel and make the changes to the BSB.

Thanks again