1500 WIP list.

[Zwolfe]

Hey Guys, Im trying to work on my DE list, so I can know what I need to buy. After having a few people make some comments about my lists on various ofrums, I realised it definately needed some tweaking. Here is the new List please tell me your thoughts.



V2.1
Archon, Punisher , Tormentor Helm, Plasma Grenade, Animus Vitae, Combat Drugs
Total 127

Wych Dracite, Agoniser, Splinter Pistol,Plasma, With Retinue
Total 68

Wych Retinue
Wyches X 8, Wych Weapons, Plasma
Succubus , Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider, Dark Lance
Total 195

Wyches
Wyches X 8, Wych Weapons, Plasma
Succubus , Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider, Dark Lance
Total 195

Warrior Squad,
Warrior X 10, Dark Lance X 2,
Total 100

Warrior Squad,
Warrior X 10, Dark Lance X 2,
Total 100

10 Warriors– , Splinter Cannon, blaster
Sybarite, Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider – Dark Lance ,
Total 176

10 Warriors– , Splinter Cannon, blaster
Sybarite, Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider – Dark Lance ,
Total 176

Heavy
Ravager 105, Disintegrator X 3
Total 120

Ravager 105, Disintegrator X 3
Total 120

Ravager 105, Disintegrator X 3
Total 120

Total 1497

[Ooglatjama]

make a wych squad a retinue


Oh and Sybarites aren't really worth it, you don't want that squad in CC

[Zwolfe]

Well I had already planned to have they HQ accompany the Wych's. Does having them as a retinue change something?

Sorry if it is noobish, just still learning here

[Ooglatjama]

Without a retinue they can direct attacks directly to the HQ, so that squad the leader is in is a bit more useless. With a retinue it counts just like a 2nd succubus would (albeit a buff angry one).

[Seeker84]

Without a retinue they can direct attacks directly to the HQ, so that squad the leader is in is a bit more useless. With a retinue it counts just like a 2nd succubus would (albeit a buff angry one).

Just to expand on this, adding a retinue would effectively add wounds to the dracite.

[Zwolfe]

Awesomeness. I knew that If i had them join a unit that they could be targeted in CC, I didnt know that if it is a retinue they can't. Most definately taking one as a retinue and list will be cahnged accordingly.

And I am not sure about what I am exactly thinking for my raider squads. Alot of people told me they they are pretty much a Sybarite delivery system, which can double for a shooting squad when I need more shooting than assaulting.

Im still not entirely sold on the idea, cause a wych squad is only 20 points more, but I do have access to more shooting if i need to.

Do you guys think that is a useful way of having the squad or should i just have them one way or another?

[Ooglatjama]

When I take warriors I take them in a super gunboat style

1 squad of 5 with dark Lance

1 Squad of 10 with 2 Splinter Cannons and 2 Blasters in a raider

I then bring on the Dakka

[Seeker84]

Im still not entirely sold on the idea, cause a wych squad is only 20 points more, but I do have access to more shooting if i need to.

Do you guys think that is a useful way of having the squad or should i just have them one way or another?

I suggest trying it out and see how you like the raider squad.

[Zwolfe]

Hmm I gues sI can try it out like this. It cant Hurt, especially since I will be buying Warriors its not some super expensive models. I will give them a try as they are as a CC mostly unit and see what I think.

Oog, How do you do that exactly, first turn disembark the "raider" squad and embark the warrior squad? just curious.

[Krovin-Rezh]

What, no Goblet of Spite? :O

Also consider making one of your Ravagers go tri-lance. That way it can help support your vulnerable ground troops from the very popular mechanized army.

[Ooglatjama]

Hmm I gues sI can try it out like this. It cant Hurt, especially since I will be buying Warriors its not some super expensive models. I will give them a try as they are as a CC mostly unit and see what I think.

Oog, How do you do that exactly, first turn disembark the "raider" squad and embark the warrior squad? just curious.




You don't have to start the game with a unit in the dedicated transport. Just but the super gunboat and its squad out of LOS then first trun embark them.

[Triphinius]

The thing I would do is add a shadow field to the archon as he is very weak without it.

[PrinceChimera]

Also consider making one of your Ravagers go tri-lance. That way it can help support your vulnerable ground troops from the very popular mechanized army.

I don't,he has enough DL's on his Raiders why would he need more ?.

[Zwolfe]

ok guys here is an updated list, i have been toyin around with,



Archon, Punisher , Tormentor Helm, Plasma Grenade, Animus Vitae, Combat Drugs, Shadow Field
Total 152

Wych Dracite, Agoniser, Splinter Pistol,Plasma
Total 93

Wyches
Wyches X 8, Wych Weapons, Plasma
Succubus , Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider, Dark Lance
Total 195

Wyches
Wyches X 8, Wych Weapons, Plasma
Succubus , Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider, Dark Lance
Total 195

Warrior Squad,
Warrior X 10, Dark Lance X 2,
Total 100

Warrior Squad,
Warrior X 10, Dark Lance X 2,
Total 100

8 Warriors– , Splinter Cannon, blaster
Sybarite, Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider – Dark Lance ,
Total 160

8 Warriors– , Splinter Cannon, blaster
Sybarite, Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
Raider – Dark Lance ,
Total 160

Heavy
Ravager 105, Disintegrator X 3
Total 120

Ravager 105, Disintegrator X 3
Total 120

Ravager 105, Dark Lance X 3
Total 105

Total 1500

[antique_nova]

can't remember how disintergrators work, but lacking anti-horde? and with a witch Wych Dracite don't warrios become elites?
thanks
antique_nova

[Kabbala]

can't remember how disintergrators work, but lacking anti-horde? and with a witch Wych Dracite don't warrios become elites?
thanks
antique_nova

It is only when the army is led by a Archite/dracite that the Wych cult rules apply. In this case, the Archon is leading the army, not the dracite.