1500 Black Legion Take All Comers List

[Morbid_Angel]

Hi there everyone, i'm pretty new to Chaos Space Marines and so was wondering if any of you could help me with some suggestions about this list: I recently bought the Renegade Strike Force and so only have those models (plus my chaos daemons) to work with atm and so I was wondering if a Black Legion themed army like this would be competitive:

HQ- Chaos Lord:

Mark of Slaneesh
Daemon Weapon (Blissgiver, the one that inflicts instant death)

Total 135

Elites- 5x Champion Terminators:

Icon of Slaneesh
Twin Lightning Claws

Total 255

Troops- Chaos Space Marines x20:

2x Aspiring Champion with Power Fist
4x Meltaguns

Total 400

Dedicated Transport- 2 Rhino's with Daemonic Possession

Total 110

Heavy Support- Chaos Vindicator:

Total 125

Heavy Support- Chaos Defiler:

Close Combat Arm
Close Combat Arm

Total 150

Heavy Support- Chaos Land Raider

Twin Linked Bolter

Total 225

Summoned Greater Daemon- (Bloodthirster Model)

Total 100

Grand Total- 1500

Strategy :

Basically I figured i'd push forward with the troops in the rhino's and the Terminators+ Lord in the Land Raider, hang back with the Defiler initially to bombard with its battle cannon whilst pushing forward with my vindicator. Then once the Land Raider gets close enough, the Terms+ Lord assault things with their 28-34 Power Weapon attacks, the Lord killing characters with instant death and the Terms rerolling to wound etc. They'd have a good chance of striking first too thanks to the Mark of Slaneesh granting them initiative 6 and the Icon giving the terms 5.

The Troops would then either camp on two objectives and stay in their rhino's or drive around supporting the Attack Squad. Also if anywhere needs reinforcing (Troops or Attack squad) I could then summon in my Greater Daemon by sacrificing a champion... so, what do you guys think? Bearing in mind i've literally only got the Renegade Attack Force (the models i've listed above) + A Bloodthirster and some smaller daemon troops at the moment.

Anyway cheers for reading this and I hope to receive feedback soon :)

[PrinceChimera]

Welcome to LO :)

[The Prince of Excess]

It doesn't need as much work as I thought it would.

Your HQ needs to be a DP unless you're playing a themed army. Lords can't hold a candle to DPs point for point. They got shafted in the Codex, it sucks but use what's best.

Your Rhinos don't need DP. Rhinos die within 3 turns against almost every army. Move 12" pop smoke, move 12" forget about it. Run them naked.

Add DP to the Vindie, it makes the thing a nightmare as you have to pop it of blow off the gun, not just shake/stun.

Maybe throw the other DP on the Raider if you're confident the BS loss won't hurt to bad.

Good luck.

[Morbid_Angel]

Thank you for the welcome Chimera, and cheers for the advice Excess. What upgrades/loadout should I run a DP with though, to fit in with my general list? Something like a Lash Prince with wings or another combo?

I was also thinking of swapping out the Lord with Abaddon too, since i've heard he's a beast in the current rules, but do you think he's worth the points etc?

[The Prince of Excess]

Abaddon is way to expensive. He's supposed to be a 2000+ points guy and for Apoc.

For the DP I'd run MoT or MoN with Wings and Warptime. Lash isn't all it's cracked up to be against many armies, but a 4++ save or T6 with re-roll to hit and wound is just a beast. It will draw fire off your tanks and probably still survive which is his job.

One other thing, think about one Chainfist on the Termies. Gives them some insurance against MCs and is another anti-armor option. They're big enough to block hatches on the assault so they can really mess up a transport.

[Morbid_Angel]

Alright cool, I think i'll go with the Daemon Prince of Nurgle and then greenstuff some wings onto it or something, which works out well for my Chaos Daemons army too, since i'd been after one for them too. Pity the Prince doesn't get Feel No Pain though eh? lol.

I don't really know what to do with my terminators to be honest, since I love the idea of Intiative 5 Lightning Claw attacks lol, although if I do give one a chainfist, what would its other weapon be? (I haven't built them yet since I wanted to figure out the options), is it a Storm Bolter or something, or should I do Chainfist + X? Sadly Chaos can't take Storm Shields, which would have been a nice combo :( .

[The Prince of Excess]

He gets a Combi-Bolter like a regular Termie.

Personally I think the best way to run CSM Termies is a minimum squad with Combi-Meltas, and DS every game. You put an Icon in every squad and use them as tank death from above.

If you did that I'd drop the Raider for another Troop choice.

[Morbid_Angel]

Ok thanks for all the help mate. I'll get everything built up and start testing out what you've recommended.