New Necrons

[Ryuhei]

the idea of this thread is to see what peoples' prefereces are.

i don't intend for this to become a thread of speculation for the future releases of the necrontyr, though i embrace the fact that it might.

i'll explain the point of this thread with an example, i would like to see in the near future an immortals and or flayed ones plastic boxed set, and maybe one of those kits for building lords like the chaos terminator lord boxed set or the space marine commander pack.

with the refinement of GW plastic production i feel these would be fairly reasonable requests.

[Alzer]

Hmmm, so what Models you would like to see? as opposed to what rules eh?

Plastic Immortals, AND flayed ones! :)

Full plastic heavy destroyers. Plastic Tomb Spyders? *crosses fingers*

more wargear options on the lord models would be fantastic. Except then people would expect WYSIWYG on lords and I would be forced to inflict physical harm upon them.

[Dark Trainer]

I don't think transports for us works well, I would like to see more random portalling. Yes we are supposed to be SLOW, but portalling is very Necrony...Maybe up to 3 VoD's, or something. Maybe gates of some type (although that sounds too Eldar like...but still).

I agree more plastic models (Immortals & flayed ones being the biggest, since they need BULK!) Spyders and wraiths would be nice too though.

Another vehicle would be interesting (maybe a lower armor value, but more focused on weapon systems than being a huge undestroyable pie plate/portalling device). Of course lower cost than the Monolith.

Heavy destroyers to be BETTER than a lascannon for those rediculous point costs! Twin link em, or SOMETHING!

I agree Lord variants would be nice. However, wondering if they'll have to release new models or what.

Something I don't think if very fluffy but would be fun would be flamer gauss style weapons (maybe spyder upgrade), etc.

[jspyd3rx]

Personally, i want to see Pariahs as varied and with as much customization as ork nobs, with a box set to go along with it. I love pariahs but cant bring myself to field them. I just dream of my Pariahs bringing along a tomb spyder; like how nobs can get a paindok for FNP.

[Ryuhei]

cool, i was thinking about keeping this fairly tame, but i realize now that was a stupid idea, i want to go crazy, well just a little.

i think plastic pariahs would be awesome, i've never been keen on the pose of them, plus i want to field pariahs and flayed ones with a necron lord w/res orb 'oh hello, you're in 12", you must take a leadership test, but unfortunately you'll be leadership 7, oh and dead next turn'
i love it so, and what else do i love and totally want to see, yes i am glad you guessed it, a tomb stalker, suck necron super heavy.

DT, i love the idea of a gauss flamer, it would be a great addition to the cause, you've actually given me the idea of a gauss bubble launcher.
sorry there are things in my head that don't belong in text format, anything to keep the synapses firing.

[Alzer]

Pariahs Mounted on Tombspyders for great victory!

[Rabbit]

I've always felt there might be a market for a couple of alternative FW warriors- one after the undead flavor and the other more robotic. It wouldn't be difficult. FW has given us chaos fanatics plenty of kits for converting our plague marines and berzerkers.

[FKellog]

I like the idea of something like "Srgt. Lords" (with gear options), or something like that, that troops can teleport (VoD) etc., so they get a little more versality.

[Kelter Skelter]

anything that has a minimum squad size of 5 needs plastic

it's ridiculous to have a unit where you have to buy 5 individually packaged 13 dollar models to have the bare minimum required to field them

at least flayed ones come 2 to a pack



and more lords with the various wargear would be cool

or at least include a res orb arm and a non resorb arm as well as bits to make a warsyche or staff of light

[Dark Trainer]

anything that has a minimum squad size of 5 needs plastic

it's ridiculous to have a unit where you have to buy 5 individually packaged 13 dollar models to have the bare minimum required to field them

at least flayed ones come 2 to a pack




QFT! This is so true, our unique units that you MIGHT want to field are restrictively expensive to get a squad. Flayed ones, immortals, pariahs, etc. I'm fine with spyders or wraiths staying metal if they HAD to. But I find with the Necron rule you tend to stack up on MORE of models than minimum squads. 3 wraiths is easy to deny WBB, 6 though is another story all together (but at retail that's $120!!!)

[jspyd3rx]

Yikes just realized how much I spent on my 4k wraithwing army. :(
I just hope I can still use my current models (80x warriors too).

[Kelter Skelter]

the cost is one of the main reasons i stopped building my necron army and switched to an army you can build with battleforces and black reach

[Alzer]

Honestly Necrons are one of the Cheaper 40K armies from alot of what I''ve seen. This seems to laregely stem from the fact that our line troops are so expensive points wise and come in 12-packs. (with a Fast attack option might I add). Destroyers and immortals do tend to become expensive however.

[Nhyx]

Some forge world variants on the flayed ones, more of the robot's hiding in human flesh (like they do in the books), kinda like the old genestealer hybrids.

AND, that big centapede looking corpse harvister that was in the last Souldrinker's book as a superheavy choice. I want something else besides my 3 pylons to plop on the table during those games (well, those AND my 5 monoliths casting their huge nullfield thing).

[PrinceChimera]

Honestly Necrons are one of the Cheaper 40K armies from alot of what I''ve seen. This seems to laregely stem from the fact that our line troops are so expensive points wise and come in 12-packs. (with a Fast attack option might I add). Destroyers and immortals do tend to become expensive however.


Agreed,the necron battlefoce is amazing for the price,you've got about a 700ish point army just from that force.

[Narkboy]

EVERYTHING in plastic! Excelpt maybe the C'Tans which need bulk - but plastic is soo much cheaper. No other 40K force has to but EVERY ONE of it's elites individually..

I'd also like something for Necrons that fills a similar role to Kroots. With ourutter incompetance in CC it would make fluff sense for the Crons to build combat warriors designed to protect the gun lines. Probably relatively small squads of models with a medium cost and more protection than armour but high LD. Basically, something that can soak up punnishment in CC and give a little back. Think heavy metal shells with some sharp bits sticking out!!

I want veichles, but honestly can't see how they'd fit. As mentioned above, transports don't really work for fluff and the idea of producing destroyer (and HD) types as veichles makes me worry about our already huge points costs..

That said, something land raider sized with blast weapons would be quite fluffy - nothing like shredding the emeny! Plus - gauss blast :D

[Malagate]

I would definately love to see more plastics in the 'cron range, the reason I only bought one blister of Flayed Ones and one blister of an Immortal is because they're ludicrously expensive and that I wanted something to base warrior conversions on to get a nice feel for the elites. Also, the Immortal and Flayed Ones I got were not of decent quality, the Immortal was bent and had some other deformations covering details, so he still doesn't fit together even after extensive remodelling, the flayed ones have just got a general lack of detail and even one has a cracked surface. Pretty poor considering I had spent over a tenner on 3 models, I certainly wouldn't want to risk getting burned for more than that to have a unit of unposable, poorly fitting models.

So plastics for Immortals and Flayed Ones, yes, ideal, that way I could feasably think of having elite based armies for a reasonable price (and zero conversion time). Also I wouldn't mind plastic Pariahs, that could be nice to have something more dynamic for a small yet powerful unit (just like how there are plastic termies, despite the fact that most normal armies won't have more than a handful of termies), plastic Wraiths and Tomb Spyders would be the icing on the cake of awesome.

Actually, come to think of it, pretty much everything should be in plastic, I see no reason why it shouldn't be. If an army can have potentially more than 5 of any kind of model in it, then it should be plastic, and the only unit we can't have more than 5 of is Necron Lords and C'tan (we're not including vehicles, obviously). If bikes, termies and dreadnoughts can come in plastic, why the hell not Wraiths, Immortals/Pariahs and Tomb Spyders? A full compliment of Wraiths, Tomb Spyders or Immortals should not cost more than a battleforce to buy.

For a new codex I'd also love to see at least 3 new units, one for HQ, one for Elites and another Heavy Support choice. Possibly a walker or equivalent of a walker, like a big Necron that's kind of like a dread (but more unique naturally), possibly an extra MC for a laugh. Rules wise I'd primarily want something to stop or minimise sweeping advances, following that some way to have more accurate deep strikes (masters of time and space get out-performed by a small homing beacon made by barely sentient monkeys?) and for almost all Necron units to benefit from the Necron special rule (pretty much everything apart from vehicles and scarab swarms, yes I think Pariahs and Tomb Spyders should have some benefit).

[Alzer]

Think heavy metal shells with some sharp bits sticking out!!

Soooo, you want tomb spyders? :sinister:

For the most part, GW creates plastics for models that people are going to be using a whole lot of most of the time. Troops choices, vehicles, and the popular elites. So FOs and Immortals are definitely options, however with the unpopularity of Pariahs I don't really see it. Why make a new mold and new plastics for something people don't buy because of it's in-game performance?

I was crazy enough to shell out the piles of cash for a full squad of metal Flayed Ones, and 16 old-style immortals, I think you could dent a wall with those things. Really I feel Flayed ones need it the most, as their metals have some really silly connections (the claws? really?) and Wraiths, for well, breaking ALL of the time.

[Narkboy]

Soooo, you want tomb spyders? :sinister:

Yeah - that's exactly it! Except small, in squads of 6-8 and costing LESS than a Rhino per model...

:soldier:

EDIT: I changed my mind - I don't WANT plastic models - I DEMAND them..

Halfway through 3 wraiths. So far I've spent over 30 minutes trimming and unbending the damned things. I hate metal models...

:thunder:

The Edit button is your friend ;) - Alzer

[Malagate]

Ohh I empathise with that Narkboy, after spending hours trying to bend a very stout Immortal back into its intended shape, I pretty much gave up on it and just went for the warrior-to-immortal conversion path.

I actually had no problem with the shape of my Wraiths, they fitted together nicely for me, but then I did get them when they were new many years ago. I think over time the casting process gets a bit sloppy (especially on less "popular" models), which is a crying shame as they're still charging you as if it was cast to the highest standards.

Definately would be a metric tonne simpler if it was in plastic, I can actually visualise what a Wraith plastic frame would look like...and how you could get 3 Wraiths in a boxed set...oh for that to become reality! For now though, after you've finished bending them into shape, I'd highly recommend you invest in pinning those Wraiths. Even a Wraith falling over on the table can lead to arms flying off and the spine splitting apart if you use superglue alone, heck even tilting the Wraith can lead to snappage at the spine if the glue is old enough.

[Alzer]

Yeah, I've put my wraiths back together so many times it's not even funny, half of mine are currently out of the running because I dropped them ><. Really gotta get those things pinned. I'm honestly not sure what they were thinking putting a connection in one of the most stressed parts of the model.

Obelisk!

[Ravendove]

Plastic Immortals, Plastic Flayed Ones. That's all I ask for, it really isn't much.
Plastic Wraiths would be nice, but not essential. Heavy Destroyer bits could be cast on a small plastic sprue and added to the Destroyer box quite easily, I think.

[Kelter Skelter]

which is a crying shame as they're still charging you as if it was cast to the highest standards.

this is somthing that bothers me pretty much all the time

[ApocalypseNow]

OMG. i live over in Australia and you get the pariahs/immortals/flayed ones for like $22 each. (aus, tho). MORE PLASTICS!!! and another mega awesome pwnage Tomb stalker.

Like this pwnage machine V


notice the tiny troops? haha

Then we would have a REAL titan.

Also make the monolith more than i giant shoebox


Another idea is give the warriors some actuall upgrades (i.e. Improved Necrondermis, Improved gauss weaponry, melee weapon of some kind replaces gauss flayer.)

And some more guys too

[Alzer]

Hahahaha. Why did I not expect to see the tomb stalker again?! We actually had a whole thread about that thing and what it's abilities should be a few months ago. Definitely would be a fantastic addition for Appoc.

See, I dunno if I could imagine the monolith in any other form at this point, it's design is so recognizable and so defined already.

Also, I did notice the quality change in the last wraith I bought this summer, as opposed to the three I got four years ago. It's a bit depressing, but I suspect the molds are pretty ancient at this point.

[ApocalypseNow]

See, I dunno if I could imagine the monolith in any other form at this point, it's design is so recognizable and so defined already.

your right. looks like the monolith will always be no more than a giant floating pincushion

[avatar of khaine]

Even a Wraith falling over on the table can lead to arms flying off and the spine splitting apart if you use superglue alone, heck even tilting the Wraith can lead to snappage at the spine.

Made me laugh... isn't that what wraiths are meant to do to the enemy? anyway yeah, and i demand a tombspyder model that fits together properly... My necron lord's scythe has grown continually longer over the years as new glue is added to stick it together again :P

I don't know if anyone else has found this, but a model breaking and being fixed also tends to screw with the paintjob. god i hate metal models...

[visseking]

i stopped using super glue some time ago. It sucks. 2 component epoxy glue, now we're talking. It works and is easier to handle IMO. The only way to put a wraith together is by pinning it in the spine and glue it together with epoxy glue, praying for it working out.

But, there is a problem. Now they decides to snap by the cables instead...

[Kelter Skelter]

i like metal models


i hate low quality metal models


i hate plastic models because they charge you metal prices for something more fragile

[avatar of khaine]

i hate plastic models because they charge you metal prices for something more fragile

You're kidding, right?

[Kelter Skelter]

maybe fragile was the wrong word

i'm just saying that i've broken lots of little arms just clipping them from plastic sprues where as i've never broken anything on a metal model only had them become unglued

[ApocalypseNow]

i know u guys are probably gonna laugh and call me a fool, but i use a hot glue gun.
it glues the models together with precision, the glue is tough when hardened (i would know, it stuck to my leg once-ouch) and if my models DO fall apart, i can easily repair it with the glue gun: just plug it in, wait till it heats up and glue.
I havent had any Hiccups yet (my models have been glued together for almost 6 months now), however, i still handle my models with care.

[Kelter Skelter]

hot glue wouldn't bad for metal models because of it's elasticity and ease of removing and reapplying

i just didn't think it would stick all the well to metal

biggest problem with super glue is having to scrape off the old glue after it breaks because glue doesn't stick to glue very good

[ApocalypseNow]

your right, occasionally pieces do fall of because of the glue.

But then again, i have like 50 tubes of glue so i can just glue them back on again XD

[Malagate]

Oh my, hot glue guns...last time I used one of those I made a hell of a mess, fortunately I wasn't doing any modelling at the time! Either you're using one with a smaller nozzle than the one I had or you're just rather well practiced at using it :D

I really should get some 2 part epoxy though, as previously said that stuff is great for sticking pretty much anything to anything else, I've used it to stick brass to wood before...oh and I should get some crackle medium whilst I'm at it...and a needle drill...gah too much stuff just for some metal models! I must admit, using plastic takes a lot fewer tools for me, but I also agree it's quite easy to break when you're trying to snip them out of the frame. Almost took off a claw or two when I was snipping out some Space Hulk models, and I usually make a tiny scrape on some of my warriors arms, but it's nothing that can't be fixed with a little scraping or glue. A lot quicker to fix than anything metal that is already a bit broken when I received it...

[Alex2284]

The nuisance with the metal models for me is when something has a long staff/gun/whatever and and for some god awful reason the middle of said staff/gun/whatever is curved when it should be straight. I don't know if I'm just being dense with my repositioning, but it never goes straight. Stupid metal models.

[Friar Tuck]

I demand new Lord models. We have two on foot which are basically exactly the same, and if the rumours about 'tiered' lords are true I think there needs to be a way to differentiate between them all other than by paint jobs.

Plastics for all our elites is all wanted, but I think we'll be lucky for 2/3 for that.

Most of all, I want new units though. Just something new and different, which isn't gimmicky but actually useful.

[shas_on_u]

I think your all forgetting the only good thing about metal models. After they break or the paint job gets ruined or you want to re-model or re-paint it for any reason you can just dunk the thing in white spirit. Do that with plastic and you don't have much left.

As for what I want:

Plastic Immortals (or I may just have to kill someone)
Plastic Flayed Ones (I don't mind too much if they stay metal as I have gone for the Schwartznegger look from a box of warriors + a box of catchans)

SCENERY!!!!!!!! Please give us something, apart from eldar/dark eldar we are the only race in the game that cannot buy any scenery at all that even looks similar to our enviroment.

[Kelter Skelter]

fluff wise i don't feel necrons should ever fight on their home turf because once they wake up they immediately set out for destruction

and if anyone was ever unlucky enough to land on a tomb world, once you saw the necron ruins you'd get the eff out of there

[the_pariah7]

Oh goody, a wish list

Here's mine (a rather extensive one):

- Plastic elites PLEASE!!!! at least immortals cos they're very effective if you bulk up on them but the retail price is ridiculous
- Variants of the Lord model would be nice. maybe even lesser lords?
- actually, like many others wish for, anything that comes in squads of 5 or more should come in a pristine plastic boxed set
- a walker of sorts (the harvester maybe?)
- the hvy destroyer needs to be fiddled with, twin link the cannon to make the points cost worth it

- That's not a bad idea; improved necrodermis upgrades and variations etc. (i will tell you that disruption fields for necron warriors is redundant cos you've got the gauss flayer that does the same thing but double the hits, save for CC with dreadnaughts)

-And supposedly being the masters of time and space and the most ancient race, i'm not seeing this. i'm sorry if i forget your name but as you said, why can marines deepstrike with more precision with a beacon than necrons?! there should be more stuff that reflects on the whole masters thing

-This might just be me but i feel that the necrons are lacking template based weaponry so 'gauss like flamers' would be nice

Thats the wishlist... (for now)

I can live without many of these,
but plastic models is an absolute necessity or heads will roll,
and something to better reflect on the masters of time and space.

*pants from exhaustion*
that'll be it for now

EDIT: Sorry Alzer, got a bit ahead of myself here. Won't happen again.

Hey the_pariah7,
Please take the time to spell out words properly, forum policy. Also caps where appropriate would be appreciated.
Thank you,
-Alzer

[adihash]

Immortals don't have to be plastic but they need to be cheaper! Look at Dark Eldar, you can buy a box of 10 METAL wyches for price of 2,5 imortals. that would be nice don't you think?

[neobubblez]

*Golf Clap* Yes yes, we all see the cost involved in fielding a necron elite choice, or even worse yet, an apocalypse formation out of the reload book XD I spent $200 brewin up muh stormcaller war cell just to watch a vortex missile get wasted on it. But look at 40k as a whole, who can start up an army like we can? Not everyone can go out n start up on $200 with a phalanx that's got 6 destroyers in it and out of the box is a decent 1500pt army. But this is all a part of GW's infinite wisdom to attain a customer base. Once someone buys a phalanx, where does the next logical step lead to? An elite choice right? Now where everyone else is spending copious amounts more than us to get themselves up to 1500 pts, we're spending it getting to 2k with a good elite choice like immortals and i gotta say, it was the best $145 i spent on my army. So say what you want about how we have so many metal models that we gotta shell out for, i personally feel that the price "imbalance" does not exist at all.

[Diggums Hammer]

All Gw has to do to make 'Crons way more effective is to send out an update making them "Stubborn", or at least 'Fearless'. That would make gameplay at least fair............

[counterwavecounter]

All Gw has to do to make 'Crons way more effective is to send out an update making them "Stubborn", or at least 'Fearless'. That would make gameplay at least fair............

"Stubborn" or "Fearless" isn't nearly enough, Necrons also need Power Weapons/Rending, some form of Cover Save negation, weapons with the Melta profile, and sources of infiltration/deep-striking (No, the Monolith, Flayed Ones, and Veil of Darkness do not count because Monoliths and Flayed Ones are useless and you can only take 1 VOD per army).

[Kelter Skelter]

you can buy a box of 10 METAL wyches for price of 2.5 immortals.

This is how I know game workshop is nothing but a bunch of price gouging tyrants. 10 metal battle sisters for $41.25 or 5 metal grey knights for $35. Appearently to double your volume of metal it only costs $6.25 more. Or even worse as you mentioned: 10 metal wyches for $35 or 10 metal battle sisters for $41.25. STILL WORSE YET, 5 metal grey knights for $35 or 10 metal wyches for $35.

I declare shinnanigans.

[Alzer]

The thing to consider with those boxed sets, is how much each model is actually costing you in the box.

Each of those wyches is only 3.50, not bad for a metal model, when you consider Immortals (yeah they're bigger) are 13.50 each. Even the battle sisters are $4.10 each at that price. $7 for grey knights is a tad on the steep side I'll say. But considering Necron Wraiths are over 20 now...I can't feel bad for them.

I'm still gonna say, as far as stubborn is concerned. It would make Necrons survivable in CC to the point that I could actually win every so often, that would be really nice.

[Kelter Skelter]

That's what my point is. The price per model is too inconsistent to be based on actual manufacturing costs.

As fas as the necron rules go, I do think they need to publish another errata that gives them something just to tide us over until a new codex. Even raising all necrons from Initiate 2 to Initiate 4 would make sweeping checks not as terrible as a problem.

[Dark Trainer]

I'm still gonna say, as far as stubborn is concerned. It would make Necrons survivable in CC to the point that I could actually win every so often, that would be really nice.

I don't need them to win CC as much as SURVIVE it so they can be portalled. In 5th edition use the particle whip all the time because I RARELY need to portal warriors anymore (I keep them so far back from danger, they also rarely double tap a target especially if it's a CC capable unit!

I just want the portal to actually be usable again for SAVING units. Can't save a unit that has been swept off the table....sad stuff...just sad stuff!

[Carkeh]

Plastic Flayed ones Definatly, even a multi-part tomb spyder with some cool options would be nice!

[Alzer]

I don't need them to win CC as much as SURVIVE it so they can be portalled. In 5th edition use the particle whip all the time because I RARELY need to portal warriors anymore (I keep them so far back from danger, they also rarely double tap a target especially if it's a CC capable unit!

I just want the portal to actually be usable again for SAVING units. Can't save a unit that has been swept off the table....sad stuff...just sad stuff!

I'd meant win GAMES not combats. I'm just going for survival as well here.

[Dark Trainer]

I'd meant win GAMES not combats. I'm just going for survival as well here.

Agreed. Our CC units are a joke, our shooting is many shots but VERY little that negates armor saves for marines or better, etc.

Well let's put our faith in GW. I can't think of a codex that was released that didn't seem a little overpowered at first...can you? It's just sad to see our updating pushed SO far between updates. I mean, the space marine codex has been udpated TWICE between ours (i know why, just stupid).

[counterwavecounter]

The price per model is too inconsistent to be based on actual manufacturing costs.

Too true, too true, and the source of GW's biggest marketing mistake, selling codex stats not production costs, it has to be giving their accountants a headache...

[Kelter Skelter]

But, then they sell you 150 dollars worth of models for a 500 point guard army.

[the_pariah7]

Yeah,
I've played a few more games with the 5th edition rules since my last post.

While I've won most by a significant margin (partially due to fatal errors made on my opponents' part), I've noticed quite a few things that really hinder the necron warmachine.

While I've never had to break off from combat, I have been put in the position of having to make leadership tests many times against CC specialists with high I at the end of combat. It was somewhat concerning that I only take 3 warrior squads in a 1500-2000pt game and a high strength squad can be lost very easily to sweeping advances. So, stubborn would be nice, considering that there are negative modifiers per each difference in models lost.

Heavy destroyers, I constantly miss with their only lascannon equivalent in the army. Because of this, the anti-tank support is pathetic without at least twin-linked (don't they have targeters?). I only complain because the gauss auto-glance no longer takes out vehicles in one hit which used to compensate for the lack of penetrating firepower.

Wraiths, they can inflict wounds very easily but because of the small numbers in a unit, they can be stopped by saves very easily. They are useful against high T units but not so against typical troops. Rending or power weapon for increased cost would be nice.

Can't complain about flayed ones now they can arrive from the table sides with outflank which makes it handy to bring them in and being able to assault the same turn.

Pariahs and tomb spyders have more survivability if you keep them behind troops (cover save). But maybe an additional attack seeing how termies get two with a powerfist and the like.

The monolith, even more unkillable than ever since it used to be brought down by lucky glancing hits. Can't really complain.

Scarabs, even better now that they can act as a screen for your troops as well as tying up units.

This is not a complaint but I love that the c'tan can move 12" in a turn due to running, allows them to get to the other side of the table more quickly.

Just my contribution to what needs fixing or adjustment to suit.