space hulk Blood Angel

[chenyboy]

Ok guys, i know im gonna be a little biased here so be with me.lol
ive recently got my hands on spacehulk (which is sooo asome BTW).
but after ive read the mission book ive realized a very concering business.
as the book goes, 600 years ago, the BA borded another spacehulk,and ended in epic fail.
out of 1000 warriors (including scouts i suppose) only 50 brothers survived.
50.....not 500 but 50,and yet somehow we managed to built our chapter back to full strength.
i know a chapter that was wiped to but 200 marines and they get "folded" into another chapter.
so my question is.....how awsome is that!!!!!?????
na im just joking, but seriously.........how on earth did we managed to comeback. i know that we are awsome and all but that is beyond epic. bet the smurfs cant do that :act-up:
joke joke....lol

[mente enjambre]

Fear the Power of Tyranids!!!! Just take it as no oficial fluff, the oficial fluff is in the codex, forgeworld books and time to time in whitedwarf. Then you can wait to the next year and see if in the new BA codex is this piece of fluff.

PD: The new tyranid codex is valid too.
PD: and sabretooth?? sabre-what?? that's a piece of ****.

[rafis117]

Durr. Blood Angels are First Founding vampires. That's an easy trick for them. I dunno what you are talking about.

*The sound of furious retconning*

More seriously...dunno. Presumably someone in GW will notice and either the BA codex or Space Hulk will get retconned. Or maybe it was a typo and was supposed to be 100 marines initially (one company) or 500 surviving (50% casualties is survivable, barely). Either way, the Inquisition is going to be watching this document carefully, veeerrry carrrrefullllly.

[chenyboy]

inquistion........what inquistion....lol...*walks away casually*

[rafis117]

*BAM*

Chenyboy crumples with a bolt-shot in the back of his head. From the distance, it is heard "Hah! Heretic scum! Feel the Inquisition's wrath at great distances!"

[The Paint Monkey]

You get a certian amount of leeway when you're first founding. Kantor had to fight to keep the Crimson Fists going when they got down to the 120 mark and they're second founding. I think the first founding chapters can get away with a lot more than the successors- this explains why Fenris hasn't been orbitally bombarded to pulp and the Blood Angels aren't investigated too closely.

[chenyboy]

wait rafis, if you killed me off too early then the story wont continue.
it goes "as i walked, i caught the a laser sight just before i turned, and immediatly did a barrel roll":good:

BTW WIN FOR FIRST FOUNDING

[rafis117]

It doesn't matter if I kill you too early, GW can always retcon it! Huzzah! Hurray for plotholes in science fiction and their improbable ability to bring people back from the dead! (Just like...vampires...ohmygod. Crapstick. RUNNNNNN!!!!!!)

[ze_poodle]

Sounds like BS to me.

[Xerxes]

I think it was generally a silly piece of fluff. Think about it for a moment: a whole chapter getting sent to deal with a space hulk? If it was that serious a threat they'd've had more help. You wouldn't just send all the battle brothers of a chapter into a space hulk.

[omegoku]

I assume they meant company, not chapter.
Only termies go into the hulk, not scouts and power armour marines.
So the blood angels took a crippling amount of damage to their veteran company and lost a lot of irreplaceable armour.
Time to get it back!

[ze_poodle]

I think it was generally a silly piece of fluff. Think about it for a moment: a whole chapter getting sent to deal with a space hulk? If it was that serious a threat they'd've had more help. You wouldn't just send all the battle brothers of a chapter into a space hulk.

Especially not since ninety percent of them are basically deathtraps.

[chenyboy]

nope.ive reconfirmed it. it was the entire chapter. not just the 1st cmpany.
anyone else with space hulk will agree with me.

[realitycheque]

I don't think it was the WHOLE chapter, just a large portion of it - I think it was about 6-700 marines, of which only 50 walked out.

But then if they recovered all the geneseed and implanted them in scouts PDQ then you could have a complete new chapter in decades.

[chenyboy]

nope,confirmed again,it was the entire chapter. "avenging the 950 souls lost on board this ship"

[The Paint Monkey]

Thinking about this clearly- it was the first encounter with a Space Hulk so this suggests it's pretty early on in 'history'. We know that the legions were comprised of "chapters" before the heresy. I'd say it was quite possible that this was a 'chapter' (ie part of a legion) that got mauled. It would explain the rebuild and that it was possible to get their hands on armour.

It was this thrashing that led to the use of termies as the standard SH breachers.

[ze_poodle]

Thinking about this clearly- it was the first encounter with a Space Hulk so this suggests it's pretty early on in 'history'. We know that the legions were comprised of "chapters" before the heresy. I'd say it was quite possible that this was a 'chapter' (ie part of a legion) that got mauled. It would explain the rebuild and that it was possible to get their hands on armour.

Good suggestion, but the legions were divided into companies and grand companies. Chapters didn't exist.

It wouldn't make sense anyway, because first contact with a genestealer happened thousands of years after the Heresy.

[The Paint Monkey]

Fair enough. I'm happy to accept that the BAs just got wasted.

[Splata]

I was under the impression that they were able to rebuild because of the cup that Corbulo carries (the cup they found in the space hulk). This could be horribly incorrect but if it is if someone could shoot it down it would be appreciated.

Raven Guard were also pretty low after the dropsite massacre and the clones that followed. How low though I'm not sure

[chenyboy]

yes we got a thrashing......yet we came back. despite our major losses.

[sir stompalot]

yes we got a thrashing......yet we came back. despite our major losses.

To be thrashed again and again.

[InvictusVis]

Good suggestion, but the legions were divided into companies and grand companies. Chapters didn't exist.


Not entirely true. The Dark Angels at least had such a large number of warriors that they were divided into Chapters pre-heresy. I wouldn't be suprised if the Ultra's were as well given their numbers.

[chenyboy]

what.....i like to see your chapter or whatever army you have to go down to just 50 and then revive.:freaked-out:

[omegoku]

Company and Chapter could be interchangeable when it comes to legions.
I definitely remember reading chapter in the HH books.
Ymgarl is where the first stealers were detected, long before the hive fleets were discovered.
Does it ever say when these guys were first found on Ymgarl? Its possible it was around heresy time.
Genestealers were in Rouge Trader, long before Tyranids were introduced.

If it was the Chapter and not the Legion, then it is one of the biggest losses in Imperium history that has the Chapter surviving.

The Blood Angels do have a unique way of making Marines though. Is the year in the blood coffin all it takes to make them marines?

[chenyboy]

well after the blood coffin they get put into scout company. so no surprise there.

[pilot00]

Good suggestion, but the legions were divided into companies and grand companies. Chapters didn't exist.

It wouldn't make sense anyway, because first contact with a genestealer happened thousands of years after the Heresy.


Angels of darkness novel:Astelan was a chapter commander of the Dark angels legion.Not its supreme commander,just a chapter commander of 1000 men.And his was the thirtysomething chapter i think,so go figure how many chapters preheresy each legion had.

Thereby a chapter preheresy was something like 10 companies working under a single chapter commander,with its attendant fleet crews,serfs and servitors.We speak for A LOT of power here.

Thereby what they meant on spacehulk must be a single chapter of a thousand men preheresy.Ofcaurse since its a board game someone just wrote a silly thing there just for the shake of it.It isnt really cannon IMHO.

[chenyboy]

well you see, this game was made BY GW.so anything they produce is canon (apprently)

BTW, on a completely unrelated note, if you type in "blood angel blood coffin" on google this post is first on the webpage.
WIN!!!!!!:dance:

[pilot00]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.Yes indeed it is!Have a cookie!!If everything GW prodused was canon then we wouldnt have all those retcons in the plot.Apparently we fans seen to know the story better that its own writters.How spooky does that sound?

[chenyboy]

YAY COOKIE!!!!!!!*nom nom*
they should pay us to write the stories.lol

[unholyheretic]

It could be that the chapter was comprised of over 1000 marines at the time. Not all of the chapters stick to 1000 marines after all. As I seriously doubt that they are going to send the entire chapter onto a floating death trap... as in not leaving ANYONE to defend there home world. So either they had/have more than 1000 marines or the chapter master at the time was made in equal parts of cheese and stupid.

[rafis117]

I agree with unholyheretic. The Blood Angels are vampires with guns, not mice.

[chenyboy]

nope, as ive stated in the previous post, it said in the mission book that ++The blood agels have returned. we avenge nine hundred-and-fifty dead. time alone does not heal our wounds.++

[rafis117]

Well THAT's ominous, even if it does rend the continuity of one of the 1st Founding Chapters. Rolled all 6's, too. (On the rending.)

[chenyboy]

so we kick ass yeah yeah!!

[chenyboy]

sorry for the double post ......

but did anyoen realize that the librarian in space hulk is actually mephiston?

[pilot00]

Probably,probably not...who knows?They might have given him the same name so nobody would notice.After all how many know mephiston with his alternate name?

[chenyboy]

check lexicanum.com shows mepheston's real name is calistaris

[The Paint Monkey]

I didn't think Mephiston had psychic powers before he hulked out on the Black Rage and then got over it.

[chenyboy]

TPM, what are you doing up so late:sinister:?

but no i checked. he was already a libarian before the incident.

[The Paint Monkey]

TPM, what are you doing up so late:sinister:?


I have 11 exams, starting tuesday. LO is my study break.

[chenyboy]

i see.fair enough.

[pilot00]

I did say myself that they had the same name!I just say it might have been incidental or not.Good luck to your exams monkey!

[chenyboy]

lets just assume that it is the same person.
that also means that the grail found on the space hulk is the exact grail now we all use.(the one corbulo holds).
and that dante was already chapter master and he was one of the 50 marines that survived the event 600 years ago.

Hew that was amouthful.:act-up:

[rafis117]

We don't know if he was the Chapter Master already (maybe this is when he became Chapter Master, statistically the odds are 19:1 in his favor), but he was certainly over four centuries old, middle-aged for a space marine as far as we know. It's also possible that Space Marines are in fact functionally immortal, but, well, if your living involves being shot at for all of eternity, then at some point someone's going to hit you in the face. With a tank.

[chenyboy]

But if the fluff is true and that he did lead the BA for 1100 years that means he is the chapter master already then.

[pilot00]

We are discussing about a pamphlet of fluff that was written in haste most likely to explain why the blood angels charged into a space hulk.I dont think it is to be intergraded in the general BA fluff.

It could just easily have written:It just appeared over baal after a fierce warpstorm and they got in to neutralize the genestealer threat common in space hulks.

EDIT:The grail held by Corbulo as far as i know was used to contain the blood of Sanquinius,and there are no reports of it ever been lost.After the blood got injected in the sanquinary priests the cup contains their own blooad(mixed with sanquinius).Since the intiates of the BA need to spend a year in the coffin and been injected with the blood from the Grail it seems illogical to me to have it lost,and rebuild the chapter.At the very least the new recruits wouldnt be subject to the black rage perhaps if they didnt use that process?

Also you send 1000 marines to clear a space hulk and almost all die.And then you send just 12 inside with hopes of victory?Hmm.....

[Heirodule]

just a quick thought from a fluff noob, from what ive been able to read and see it doesnt say anywhere that all 950 marines were lost in one go. To my mind it makes a lot more sense for the angels to have lost 950 marines in hulks over the last 10,000 years or so than to have lost them in one mission. just my thoughts anyhow.

[pilot00]

just a quick thought from a fluff noob, from what ive been able to read and see it doesnt say anywhere that all 950 marines were lost in one go. To my mind it makes a lot more sense for the angels to have lost 950 marines in hulks over the last 10,000 years or so than to have lost them in one mission. just my thoughts anyhow.

I dont know i make assumptions out of what the rest say.Unfortunately i didnt have the money to purchase space hulk and so i dont have access to its 'fluff'.

[chenyboy]

I'm pretty sure that someone would've uploaded the missio book onto the internet. look around you might find it.

[pilot00]

I'm pretty sure that someone would've uploaded the missio book onto the internet. look around you might find it.


TBH not really,i just said that i really dont consider that thing cannon.