Which army list is better for speed freaks

[frojoe]

I currently have two army lists for my speed freaks i would like to know which one's better



1
HQ
Warboss on warbike power klaw kombi shoota / skorcha and cybork body
140
Elites
6 Nob warbikers2 klaws and boss pole
325
Troops
11 ork boyz 1 Nob with power klaw and boss pole 112
Trukk with red paint job = 35
11 ork boyz 1 Nob with power klaw and boss pole 112
Trukk = 35
11 ork boyz 1 Nob with power klaw and boss pole 112
Trukk =35
19 shoota boyz with Nob , power klaw boss pole and 2 big shootars
170
Fast attack
Warbuggies 3 twin linked rokkit
105
Warbikers 5 + 1 Nob power klaw
190
Heavy support
battle wagon with deff rolla and 2 big shootas and grot riggers
125
1496


2
HQ
Warboss on warbike power klaw kombi shoota / skorcha and cybork body
140
Big mek with kff with burna and cybork body
115
Elites
6 nob bikers + 3 klaws pian boy 3 cybork bodies and bosse pole 395
Troops
11 ork boyz 1 Nob with power klaw and boss pole 112
Trukk with reinforced ram 40
11 ork boyz 1 Nob with power klaw and boss pole 112
Trukk with reinforced ram 40
11 ork boyz 1 Nob with power klaw and boss pole 112
Trukk with reinforced ram 40
19 shoota boyz with Nob , power klaw boss pole 165 1 big shootar
Fast attack
Warbuggies 3 twin linked rokkit
105

Heavy support
battle wagon deff rolla and 2 big shootas
120
259

the big mek goes with the 19 shoota boyz in the battle wagon
ignore the 259

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[counterwavecounter]

The one with the Big Mek. Cover save, Cover save, Cover save... The small number of Boyz Evil Sunz clans need to cope with means you need that Invulnerable save to stay alive longer.

[25below]

I agree, the list with the KFF is a better list. Two things, first, you do realize that the nob bikerz are a troop selection rather than an elite, don't you? and, drop the bike on the warboss. The nobs bikerz are killie enough on their own and don't need the help from the warboss. Put him with the boyz in the battlewagon and you will see a lot more performance from him.

Question, do the nob bikerz have a painboy with them?

[frojoe]

I guess they would be a troupe choice with the war boss and yeah the nobz do have a pian boy with them

[devinmullenftw]

i would use to squads of warbikers instead of nobs there too expensive for 1500 points

[flesh_pile]

I like the first list better. A Big Mek w/ KFF is too expensive and will provide too little benefit for an army that should be in combat by turn 2. Once in combat, he's relatively worthless and an easy kill point. I agree about dropping the nob bikers. I'd use Mega Nobz in a trukk. Use the normal squad of bikers to provide a better 4+ cover save for one or two of the trukks. I also agree about putting the warboss in with the boyz. I'd probably stick him in the Trukk to get him into combat faster and to bolster the smaller mob. 20 boyz in a BW should be relatively tough. 12 Boyz on the other hand could use some extra oomph provided by the Warboss. You might even be able to squeeze in another Warboss to stick in another Trukk.

[counterwavecounter]

A Big Mek w/ KFF is too expensive and will provide too little benefit for an army that should be in combat by turn 2. Once in combat he's relatively worthless and an eask kill point.

Nope! A Big Mek w/ KFF is absolutely essential in a Speed Freaks list. Your Boyz aren't going to get to CC turn 2 if all of their Trukks get destroyed turn 1. Furthermore, if your Trukks do get destroyed the KFF makes it so that you don't have a handful of Slugga-Boyz standing in the middle of the field with no protection.

The Big Mek is not worthless in combat at all, he has the same stats as a Nob and when kitted out with Cybork Body and/or 'Eavy Armor plus Burna, he can dish out some serious pain and take punishment.