vulkan 1850

[ZombieWar]

thanks for some feed back this is for an all comers tourny.

HQ +190
Vulkan +190

Elite +555
7x Assault terms TH/SS +280
Land Raider Crusader MM EA +275

FA +210
3x Land Speeders 3xMM 3xHF +210

HS +100
Thunderfire Cannon +100

Troops
10x Tac marines ML Flamer Rhino PW +220

10x Tac marines ML Flamer Rhino PW +220

10 Scouts 5x Combat Blade 5x Shotguns PW +155

10x Scout 8x Sniper Rifles 1x HB 1x Talion +200

[The Prince of Excess]

Your list started off well but than got weaker. Vulkan and the Termies is a very strong combo, but beware you're putting a lot of hope in one basket in a very Melta heavy meta game.

I'm going to assume the Speeders are all 1 model squads, if not, make them so.

Thunderfire Cannon....hmmm. I can see it getting some shots off, you're rushing a good portion of armor at people to distract them. What does it really do that you need however? You shouldn't be troubled by hordes to badly and the other shots don't help you much at all. I'd use the points for a really aggressive Dread which compliments your army better but do as you like.

Rhino Squads NEED PFs.

Cut the CC Scout Squad, it's an easy KP and not an amazing fighting unit. you can better use the points elsewhere.

Drop Talion if you need points, he's not as amazing as he seems. Cloaks would be a good buy, they're going to be a big threat in objective games so keep them alive.

Not a bad list overall, I would like to see a MM Dread in a Pod to stuff one more thing in an opponents face and get that crucial Turn 1 armor bust. Some tweaks here and there and this is good to go.

[ZombieWar]

yeah the cc scouts im not sure about. i was under the impression if you got talion then you didnt have to buy camo cloaks, so he is only 20 points, any truth to that? as f0r the TFC it is mostly an anchor for my army to rotate around. thanks for comments

[The Prince of Excess]

Special Characters have static costs and sometimes options you may buy, like Khan. Telion is always 50 points. He doesn't give the squad Cloaks and only has one if you buy them for the unit. He pays 3 points for one like a normal Scout.

TF Cannons can do damage, don't get me wrong. The thing is, artillery is stupidly easy to blow up, for any army. Deep Strikers and Outflankers are very popular and they feast on units like TF Cannons. Also it's very hard to hide models in 5th with True LoS so it won't be hard to move a bit and get a shot off on it, probably destroying it easily.

That's my reason for not taking it, besides the fact a Dread would compliment the flavor of the list better if indeed you play aggressively as all Marine players should.

[dude5767]

Yes but tellion has the stealth special rule which is then spread out to his squad since he is an upgrade character not an independent character. So essentially he does only cost twenty points if you were going to buy camo cloaks without him.

[The Prince of Excess]

Yes but that's different from Cloaks which is what I thought he was asking specifically. I think you can also combine Cloaks with Stealth and have a 2+ cover, although I don't have the book in front of me.

[ZombieWar]

cloaks just give you stealth i believe.

[The Prince of Excess]

You're right, my bad.