Would it be at all possible that the necron gauss weapons are really warpstone powered? Green crystal that crackles with outer worldly energies and flays men and organic beings in a focused blast?? Seems a lot like warpstone to me, exept with a more technological boost (duh)

I would have thought that the period of time in which the Necrontyr developed their technology would prevent any possibility of warp involvment. The border between real and warp space was much stronger so such a powerful warp-spawned mineral would not have existed.

Erhm! You are aware that warpstone is a wfb element. Every piece of warpstone in the old world comes from the meteroite that destroyed the empire city of Mordheim. (I know it's called wyrdstone, but it's the same thing)

I think its a good idea. simple as that. They found asteroids filled with warpstone.

Except, Valhallan, that you're a moron and your opinion doesnt count. When you've got some posts under your belt that arent spam, distilled and purified that they would melt even the strongest rival that Usenet could manufacture, then and only then will I for one take your opinion seriously.

As you might be able to tell, Im in a particularly blunt mood this evening.

They're not warpstone powered, since, as has been said, WS is purely a WFB mineral. Also, as has been said by Mr Shadow, the warp/realspace barrier has only become thinner in the more recent millenia.

Erm, the WFB world is just outside the imperium galaxy...

And where did you get the idea that all the warp/wyrdstone came from the meteorite??? Skaven have been around for thousands of years before mankind and mordheim.

But Warpstone came from the two polar gateways created by the Old ones. When they exploded all the stone was scattered all over the world. Bu it is posisble that they built gateways on other planets, indeed they must have.

But Necrons are the aneathma of the Old ones. THey dont use Waprstone.

Also, as has been said by Mr Shadow, the warp/realspace barrier has only become thinner in the more recent millenia.


I concur. Necrons are working to separate Warp from realspace once and for all. If anything, then the barrier has become stronger.

Erm, the WFB world is just outside the imperium galaxy...

And where did you get the idea that all the warp/wyrdstone came from the meteorite??? Skaven have been around for thousands of years before mankind and mordheim.

It is not confirmed that the WHFB and 40k universes are connected. They have simply taken ideas from WHFB and put it into 40k, never vice-versa.
And guy.. Skaven did come to the world when humans where there. How about that little story about the guy who comes to build a little bell in a town inhabited by dwarves and humans? They don't mention any warpstone there, either.
Skaven are originally mutated from the mutating winds of chaos, and they simply just like warpstone. Don't think they where developed with warpstone.

Could be otherwise, 6th edition army books have crappy fluff. Bring back the detailed ones from 5th! ;/

Skaven developed with the release of Warpstone from the Polar gateways. Mankind were still monkeys then.


And the Primachs are mentioned in Liber Chaotica.

That's because liber chaotica envelops both game systems, since both have chaos in them. Funny that.

And no, Skaven did not build the polar warp gates, the old ones did. And if skaven were thriving when mankind were still monkeys, why isn't all of mankind enslaved?
The legends of sigmar say noting of him killing rats. Although the brettonian company of twelve apparently killed so many that the funeral pyres turned night to day for a month. Brettonian legends exaggerrated? no way. :rofl:

When did I say that Skaven built the gateways? I know the Old Ones did.

Liber Chaotica mentions legends of the Death Guard, Mortarion and Typhus attacking and destroying several villages including a temple to Sigmar.

THe destruction of the Polar Gateways started the mutation and development of both Beastmen and Skaven.

No one has mentioned the fact that the Necrons detest the warp. And how the hell do you explain how warpstone is connected with the warp?
This is madness! Just because it's green doesn't mean it's warpstone!

Originally posted by WiCkEdRock@Oct 25 2004, 01:18
It is not confirmed that the WHFB and 40k universes are connected. They have simply taken ideas from WHFB and put it into 40k, never vice-versa.

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What about the stuff from (I think the Albion campaign) where powerfists and such like were found in WHFB?????

Uhm.. You mean the Gauntlet of Power? Where does it say that it's a 40k powerfist? o.O

'It' doesnt, Gav Thorpe does.

Ill post the exact quote when i can find the WD...

You see all the pieces are coming together. I personally belive that the WFB world is in 40k space, that Sigmar is a primarch, the 40k forces of chaos attacked the wfb and that necrons are powered by warpstone.

Sigmar wasnt a Primach. He was born a mortal, all the others were discovered in a strange way.

40k Chaos has attacked in small bands, probably to retrieve an artifact, aseven a small army could destory the world.

I believe that the wfb world is just outside the range of the Astronomican, but seeing as Chaos doesnt use that, they can navigate there.

Warpstone doesnt power Necrons, as Warpstone was created by the Old Ones and is therefore inimacal to Necrons and C'tan.

Lets put this to bed shall we?

Q Was/is FB and 40K related?

A Yes, back in previous editions (1-4 IIRC) there was a link between the two systems. In FB you use to be able to take 40k stuff to use (hence why there are models of beastmen with lasguns about), so they were linked. Now I maybe wrong about this but IIRC the FB was suppose to be a backwards medieval world that was cut off from the universe due to huge warpstorms, the Old Ones were as they are in 40K and the chaos gods appeared when the polar gates collapsed.

Q Is it still joined?

A No. GW decided at the begining of 5th ed of FB that having the two systems intermixing would cause big problems, so they completely dropped the fluff linking the two together. The only thing that remains are models and a small piece of fluff entailing the Old Ones as great beings that traveled via walkways and great sky ships.

Q Is Sigmar a primarch?

A No. Sigmar was born into the FB world not arrived, also in a story written by Gav Thorpe in "Lords Of Valour" it states the Sigmar was born a god. It didn't just happen.

Warpstone has come in many, many ways and the most common being comets. It is in fact a comet of warpstone that signfies Sigmar (the twin tailed comet) as the TTC crashed down upon the damned citie of Mordhiem as his judgement. It does also stem from the northern wastes, as the wind there hold warpdust and this is the corrupting force that will mutate and madden anyone attempting to travel to the wastes. And on of the moons are said to be made of warpstone, the sickly green moon, Morrslieb.

As for skaven, there is not actual history to their creation (tho I've only got the 5th and 6th ed books). The closest you get is a story about a town who build a bell but a strangers helps and corrupts it, in strikes 13 times and calls forth the rats. Other than that there is nothing really on them.

KU

Thank you, Ulrik, Wicked Rock and Kraken. I can only stop so many of those topics myself. Warpstone is congealed dark magic, in fact Morrsleib is made out of it. There would be no warpstone without a collapsed Gate of Heaven. And there would be no Skavenblight if Humans and Dwarves did not build the city that the skaven originate and still inhabit. 40K players like to entertain the thought that the Warhammer World is in their galaxy, as if it came first.
The worlds exist separately at the same time, as is shown through the Liber Chaotica books (which are made for warhammer not 40K as references to 40 K are done through visions and dreams etc. everything else is firmly in the Fantasy setting) and the Inferno short story "Angels."

Wokkerfella, you miss the obvious in that the Necrons developed their technology before there was "Dark Magic."