Yes I know they can be made with imperial gaurd doctrines but honestly thats a pretty half hearted representation of the Adeptus Mechanicus. I have heard rumors that mabe in a year or two they will make an army list in citidel journel or even get a codex, but this is just a rumor. Does anyone know if there will be a list coming down the pipe?

No. Because when the next big campaign happens they will break from the imperium, allong with many of the iron hands. The Dragon will awaken on Mars and many of the adeptus mech. and iron hands will leave to fight for their true god.

I was having a conversation with a chap (staff member) in the local GW about how I am making an Adeptus Mechanicus Army from scratch, conversions of servitors, bionic limbs for Guards etc.

He told me not to bother as the strong possibility existed of an AM 'codex' and dedicated AM range of miniatures in the 'future'.

Now as a former staff member myself I know that rumours like this are often wishful thinking, occasionally blatant rumour-mongering by head office to mess with people's minds.

But that is what he said so take it however you will. He also said the next few codices/armybooks were decided and that AM are not amongst them (Ogres, SM, Tyrannids I suppose then some more popular ones like Eldar then who knows..).

The next suggestion was that next years summer campaign (and I rarely subscribe to SCs so I have no opinion on that opinion) is going to be nothing to do with 40k but that the year after that (errrr) 2006 might be of interest to a man of the world like yerself (nudge nudge wink wink etc..)

I really really doubt that Mars will leave the Imperium wholesale. Fluff wise, the techpriests of the AM are all that keeps the rotting technological base of the Imperium going and by changing that realtionship you change the whole nature of the Imperium. To be honest it is a change that I wouldn't be keen on and probably wouldn't follow.

They wouldn't do it infact, they might involve the Dark Mechanicus a little as badguys maybe but I suspect that the bulk of the campaign (if it actually happened) would be Necrons vs Mechanicus and Imperials on Mars.
Possibly fluff involving a failed coup by supporters of the Machine God after which a Necron Army arises or arrives on Mars with the intention of liberating the Dragon.

Iron Hands going rogue I can't see. Killing a special character in a campaign is no big deal but changing the allegience of an entire army (in game rule terms I mean) I would doubt. People play the Iron Hands - you can't just explain to them "oh and by the way, you are batting away from now on" it wouldn't wash fluff or playerbase wise.

But as always I stand ready to be corrected, by those with better thoughts on the matter..

i think now you can make the adepthus mechanicus army with the new SM, the traits and some imagination.

I´m a necron/nid player but i am going to but the new thecnomarines ... yessssss ... it´s great and knot it can be your HQ choice and amke a look like adepthus mechanicus army, IMO :shifty:

Where are you finding all this great fluff on the mechanicus, I mean I have found some here and there but nothing about a great dragon(have heard a little about it in iron hands fluff). Anyways, you can also make an AM list with IG doctrines, but it kinda sucks... any ways, I guess I'll just cross my fingers for a codex in the near future.

If you read the interrogation fluff at the end of Codex - Necrons there are clues that the Tech-Priests know more about the C´tan and the origins of the Necrons than they are willing to share with the High Lords of Terra. There is a schism within the Adeptus Mechanicus, but how serious it is remains to be seen.

This could actually be an incredible campaign. Mars is only a stone´s throw away from Terra, and any enemy activity inside the Solar system will prompt the harshest response from Imperial forces. The Grey Knights are based on Jupiter´s moon Titan, the Imperial Fists on Terra, along with the Adeptus Custodes who might decide to join the fight on Mars to protect the Emperor. If the Tech-Priests split down the middle and one half joins the C´tan, you can bet your ass that Mars will be the stage for a war that will make Armageddon seem like a playground spat. I really hope they do this!

Isn't the Dragon the most powerful necron god ever? Wouldn't it be powerful to destory whole armies on it's own?

Nothing in the 100% official 40k background can go around wiping out armies by itself. Even the Emperor himself was nearly strangled by an Ork Power Claw before Horus saved him.

It is Warhammer 40,000 not Dragonball Z

No, a C'tan could go around destroying armies. C'tan devour stars and cannot be touched. But they usually opt to use a body instead of just themselves.

Where on Earth did you read that?

Their energy form is useless in battle, they need a Necrodermis to stay in one piece and contain their energy.

Overall the C'tan lost most of their power when they went into stasis i doubt that the Void Dragon will be an exception to this rule.

Originally posted by Deadly Nightshade@Nov 13 2004, 15:20
Their energy form is useless in battle, they need a Necrodermis to stay in one piece and contain their energy.249674

When their necrodermis is destroyed, don't they like blow up killing everything nearby? So wouldn't their actual form do the exact same thing, just on a much larger scale?

Originally posted by archonofdeath@Nov 17 2004, 12:42
When their necrodermis is destroyed, don't they like blow up killing everything nearby? So wouldn't their actual form do the exact same thing, just on a much larger scale?
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Not really, same principle as a bomb going off - a vast amount of energy is released however after that then it is no longer dangerous. Its the release of energy bound within the necrodermis that causes damage rather than the C'tan themselves (though they can still kill you, draining energy form you of some kind).

As for the AdMech, in a recent interview Pete Haines said they would like to do something with them, but they are a real low priority at the moment after redoing the codices (even worse seeing as some of the '4th ed compatable' ones need redoing like the Tau one). So we have a fair few years to wait, assuming that 40K 5th ed doesn't pop up first (think GW think that about 6 or so years is a reasonable span for an edition before the corrections mount up to requireing a new one). But seeing as Xenos hunters is not following the same patten as the others but with Deathwatch rather than GK they might make an appearance there in a small form (Explorators) though this is purely speculation (though not the Xenos being different - its why its been delayed)

Originally posted by Hrothgar Iron Wolf@Nov 12 2004, 21:36
Where are you finding all this great fluff on the mechanicus, I mean I have found some here and there but nothing about a great dragon(have heard a little about it in iron hands fluff). Anyways, you can also make an AM list with IG doctrines, but it kinda sucks... any ways, I guess I'll just cross my fingers for a codex in the near future.
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Speculation made in a thread months and months ago. The fact that the AM worship the Machine God. And the fact that the Dragon is supposed to be under Mars. We just put two and two together and figured that they worshiped the Dragon. Not to meantion that they act a lot like the necrons pre-living metal bodies. They have this love for replacing parts of themselves for machine parts.

Check around in the 40k fluff section, there were a few topics way back when (one or two of which were by me)

The Iron Hands have no Chapter Master and are seperated into 10 Clan Companies. One of those companies could go off and join the Dragon's forces without effecting the rest too much.

Trust me they wont bother with AM codex, I mean they probably think with IG + SM codices you wont need anythingelse. I hope they do have a campaign on Mars.

Jes goodwin has said it's something he'd like to be involved in but it's really unlikely.

Hmmm...
An Adeptus Mechanicus army, in my opinion, would be a really cool and fun force to battle with but I think if it ever comes out it will not be for a long time. And things like Titans and Centurio Ordinatus are difficult to represent on the tabeltop. So there would need to be more Skitarii and Enginseer units available.

An AM army would just be the best thing ever. As for the campaign, I don't see them doing that campaign as it really only involves two of the armies. I could see a fight with Tau and maybe an Ork uproar.

I HOPE it's going to be an Ork uproar.
Orks are my favorite enemy.
They're just like me, rush straight at the enemy and try to slay him in assault, no matter how dangerous. Only I like them as an enemy because of their low BS and useless armor. That way I can shoot alot of them to bits before we're in assault range.

i heard something about a campaign centred around mars and the that their maybe a necron tomb on mars, however its a campaign that will not come to light, the custodes dont leave terra as far as i know so they wont fight at mars, (though i ahve to say it nice idea) any campaign that took place on mars would be doomed to failure for the invader/agressors as the Imperium would not allow a threat that close to the golden throne and would pour millions of troops to the planet, and even if the campaign did take place on terra it would be liket he armageddon campaign a hard fight but the human would win no questions asked.
and as for the iron hands rebelling i doubt that very much they have been loyal to the emperor for as long they been concieved (the 19th legion int he first foundigng i think) so they would not turn against him openly

I've always wanted some Tech-priest Magus and electro-priest models, I think GW need to spend some time filling the backlog of un-modeled units from 2nd edition onwards...

Actually there is more than a tomb on Mars, the sleeping Dragon, a C'tan god is apparently in the Noctis Labyrinthis. It would be something that would mess up the Adeptus Mechanicus majorly as the Dragon or at least his technology was worshipped as the Machine God. So if the Dragon awakened it would be like the Omnimessiah awakening, it would be akin to the Emperor standing up from the Golden Throne and singing show tunes.

I just figured out that by using LaTD rules you can make an AM army pretty easily traitors-serviotrs, mutants w/khorne upgrade-combat servitors, obliterators-robots, CSM w/ bp ccw-praetorians, defiler-knight, lietenant w/ servo arm kai gun, and bionics-Magos

what do ya thhink?

I have also heard the rumor of the Dragon being in the noctis labrinthys and yes a huge campaign on mars would be doomed to fail for the Necrons but it would be awesome nonetheless. Also the thought of the emperor getting up and doing show tunes is just hilarious.

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Does anyone know of any models that are in the archive? Like did there used to be an AM army and they have old models for it(like in 2nd edition or something) and its just discontinued? And one final thing, has anyone ever seen one of the AM armies at a grand tournamnet(I have heard of them before)?

What is this Nocturis Labirinthus anyway? Is it the proper name for the C'tan?

From what i've been hearing (from multiple sources) is that the next campaign will see the light of not just the Dragon, but the Outsider as well... i would love to see models for the two least known C'tan... and the Outsider would bring the other armies into play as well (rumored that the Outsider is the entitiy that leads HiveFleet Kraken).... but this is all rumors.... i say the next campaign will be necrons thou.... as to what it will deal with... can't answer that....

Silly me.... I've gone off topic... I think an AM would be cool.... but highly unlikely... I've noticed that GW doesn't like to print things that can be formulated from current lists/rules.... the multitude of robots and androids would be fun thou.... ;)

It would be a very cool and original campaign, I dont want another ork/chaos uprising that wastes a few planets, introduces a few army list variants then goes back to normal. The thing aobut the campaigns is tha tthey have to include all armies. The imperium has to be involoved because at least half of players play an imperial army. It could work:

The deciver trys to awaken the Dragon, he converts half of the AdMech and Iron Hands to his cause, pursuades that Tau to join him with the promise of new tech and territory and gets the support of the Iron Warriors. The Outsider returns leading a new Hive Fleet [he maynot be THE Hive Mind but he could be, and either way he could command 'Nids.

So attackers:
Necrons
Tau
AdMech
Traitor guard
Traitor marines
Iron Warriors
'Nids

Defenders:
Loyalist Imperial forces [there's alot of them]
Eldar
Some Tau may refuse to serve the C'Tan

Orks, Dark Eldar and other chaos legions get in the way of everyone

That's an about equal split and includes everyone. The campaign could work.

that campaign would COMPLETELY change the 40K universe...and aside from anything else, the Tau are on the other side of the galaxy.

Why assume that the dragon/sleeping c'tan on mars has evil intentions towards the Imperium? perhaps it has been the Machine God all along? It would be a far more c'tan like machination to use the imperium, not to destroy it.

i dont see how anyhting could destroy the impirium anyway. with legions of space marines and millions of faceless IG at the imperor's disposal, aint nothing getting in close enough to do any real damage.
















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Lord, talk about wishfull thinking.

1. Adeptus Machinus army doesnt stand up to scrutiny, anyone familiar with the fluff realise that Slitarii regiments are used to guard AM planets so basically an IG army? Titans - these are not controlled by AM but by the Titan liegons.

2. rumour control has been running rife since before EoT about the next 40 K campaing, I have seen the rumours grow and grow, but they are rumours and not anything done by GW. the rumours are that the machine god, worshiped by AM is really Dagon (one of the 4 surviving C'Tan and that he is asleep on mars, that he would wake and that rebelion would occur on mars with Necrons, rebel AM (with their IG) and Iron hands fighting against imperial forces. - nice idea, very fluffy and exciting, but think about it, why would GW do it? nearly jhalf their player base is Chaos, they would be relegated to a minor player akin to Tau in Eot, however when you added up the battles that minor faction would far outnumber the major, particularly once you add Tau, tyranids, Eldar and DE to the equasion, the battle for mars would be minor by comparison! Plus think of the impact on Fluff if mars fell? it would be the death of the Imperium. not comercial sense for Gw

not that I think the Imperium would ever allow mars to fall, but the whole rumour mill doesnt take into account the logistics involved in orchastrating a planetwide rebelliion that close to Terra - it just isnt gonna happen, not with 10000 years (at the least) of propaganda bolstering their loyalty. theyre always about 'wouldnt it be so cool if this happened...?'. Anyway, GW have said quite clearly that they dont have any plans right now for an Adeptus Mechanicus codex, although I think it would be a very characterful army and easy to differentiate from the IG or SM - after all the skitarii were always meant to be augmented humans, rather like the enginseers themselves.

the Imperium would not allow a threat that close to the golden throne

umm, in Codex: Necrons, it states that a Necron attack force got three Harvester Ships into the atmosphere of Mars, and one of them actually landed! I think the Necrons will do whatever they want.

Oh man, that's some deep stuff! You guys really read up on your fluff. Waaaay too much time on your hands.

I really doubt the AM have enough variety to have an army of their own. Servitors, Techmarines, Enginseers. Then those wierd things in the codex space marines pictures. THey look like.... Grey Rhinos without treads and with a big crane on top... People would whine about the variety more than they do for Necrons! (I think they still do, only like 1 troop choice)

Incidentilly, the Titan Legions are a fighting arm of the adeptus mechanicus

Sorry to say it.

its not going to come out anytime soon..


prolly in the next 3-4 years.. hahaha.

some other things need larger attention... lots of other htings..