This is more of a gneral thing so i put it here, as it is about both Codices. THe manager at my local GW store was under the impression that Dark ELdar and Eldar were going to be combined into one codex, NOT one army, just both be in the same codex, i guess it kinda makes sense.

Does anyone know if this is true?

Do people think this is good (Y) or bad (N) ?

The general understanding is that the Eldar Codex is going to be all inclusive,with each Eldar faction's rules and stuff put into thier own little section of the codex. I guess this is a good idea because it saves you from having to buy a seperate codex for each faction.

When you say faction, i assume you mean the craftworld lists, do you mean the Dark Eldar as well? possibly the Harlequins?

Yup.They're supposed to have a section for vanilla eldar,a section each of the major craft worlds (Not so sure how they define "major" craftworld but don't be suprised if one or two of the lesser used ones are missing) and the Dark Eldar will have thier own section as well. Not so sure about 'quins, but according to the rumours there may be a section for 'quins and exodites.Wouldn't bet on those last two though.

If they say major craftworlds they probably mean the ones in codex craft world. Supposed to lesser craftowrlds which i cant remember the name of and ones you make up.

The Exodites and the Harlequins still won't have their own official codex entries sadly. This rumor has been quashed a number of times. It is similarly unlikely that the Dark Eldar and the Eldar will be combined into one very large codex.

They're two different armies. Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters don't share a codex. Just because few people play the Dark Eldar doesn't mean that they're going to be relegated to a section of someone else's codex.

The most likely scenario is that the craftworlds will be absorbed into the major Eldar codex and a trait system will be established for DIY Craftworlds, a la Imperial Guard and Space Marines. The Dark Eldar will have their codex and models re-done at some point...probably after the Tyranids, Eldar, Orks, Special Space Marine Chapters and Space Marines, again.

I thought that they said that the Codex for the Eldar is coming out in January of next year. that was a rumor i heard.

At the absolute possible minium, along with ignoring the boatloads of rumors stating that nids are next, eldar would come out April. 3 months between codexes/army books.

Do you think they'll ever do an Eldar Corsair list/?

I doubt they'll do an Eldar Corsair list. I'm hoping for a Craftworld version of Doctrines/Traits for Eldar, that would be great. Then you might even be able to build your own Corsairs. :) I think that they might put the Eldar and Dark Eldar in the same codex, but I doubt Harlequins too. Eldar and Dark Eldar to be in the same codex seems a good idea.

Just because few people play the Dark Eldar doesn't mean that they're going to be relegated to a section of someone else's codex.

No one said anything about relegation or a small section. They may be in the same codexs for convienence. (Probably to make money though, because then Dark/Eldar players would also have to pay extra for another set of rules they don't want.)

To be honest though, I'm not really hoping for anything (apart from 'traits'), I just want to see what they do with the Eldar.

I doubt that the rumour is true, as the dark eldar and eldar dont even share basic stat lines, let alone wargear and tactics. I think it more likely that the eldar be released in 3 books, eldar, dark eldar and harlequins (I doubt exodites will make it to their own codex, although possibly they will as a DIY list in Codex Eldar).
Corsair is a name for pirate and dark eldar are eldar pirates, so I seriously doubt we will ever see that as a seperate codex, although maybe it will be available in the DE list as a DIY varient, like the exodites.
Also, I have seen plenty of Dark Eldar armies... I dunno where the idea that they are being scrapped came from?

Stupid question perhaps but Exodites were the Eldar riding on dinos right?
So were can I find some rules like harlies and pics of them?

heres some pics
Eldar Exodites (http://traumwind.de/kunst/miniaturen/exodite_mounted.html)
Eldar Harlequins (http://www.bymtl.com/gallery/eldar/harlequins/harlequins.html)

I would love to be able to make custom craft worlds like the traits for the space marines. GW should start to make every army more custom... except necrons.

in the interview I read, they said they arentgonna do the DIY craftworlds as it goes against the feeling that the eldar are a dying race - it infers that there are infinate craftworlds and they ant to avoid people thinking that there are that many. personally i think thats stupid and that they should let people realize that the eldar are dying from the fluff, not the lack of DIY capability in the rules. it works with space marines and imperial guard, why not with eldar too? apparently tho, there will be some sort of rules to reflect the results of the last world campaign, where the eldar claimed back the crone worlds, and apparently that will be reflected somewhere in the new rules, tho I dunno where or how.

Originally posted by rovens@Dec 21 2004, 08:56
This is more of a gneral thing so i put it here, as it is about both Codices. THe manager at my local GW store was under the impression that Dark ELdar and Eldar were going to be combined into one codex, NOT one army, just both be in the same codex, i guess it kinda makes sense.

Does anyone know if this is true?

This is an extremely common misconception based off of people misunderstanding what GW employees have said. At one point, long ago, they tossed around the idea of doing all Eldar in one book. They have since abandoned that idea.

Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar are too different to go into one book. It would make very little sense to combine them. It would be like including Chaos Space Marines and Imperium Space Marines in the same codex. Or more accurately, Space Marines and Lost and the Damned.

Recently, GW staff has said that they are examining the Eldar race as a whole in preparation for the new codex. Many people misinterpretted this to be support for the "all in one codex" theory. That is not the case. The studio staff and lead designers are conceptualizing Eldar as a whole race (actually, should be finished with that by now I think) and then breaking them down into individual armies. They're figuring out what it means to be an Eldar first, and then figuring out what it means to be an Alatioc Eldar after, for example. This is the exact same process they used to create the current Space Marine codex, where they first defined what a Space Marine is. Then later in the future they will produce variant Space Marine chapter codicies based on this research.

Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar will not be combined.
Though some GW employees are very keen to do a Harlequins list, it will probably not be attempted for some time. Now that 40K is no longer the skirmish game it was in 2nd edition, Harlequins are very hard to balance as a battle force.
Exodites are very much a back burner idea, and IMHO will probably never get a codex. You would be better off just converting your own and using a "counts as" list, perhaps basing them statwise on Shining Spears (unfortunate that Shining Spears are so overpriced).

Custom craftworlds would be fun, but I don't feel its really all that nessecary. Eldar are spoiled for choices as it is compared to some armies, and we've got just about all of the concievable options availible for guardians (defense, assault, jetbike) and it doesn't make any sense at all to customize Aspect Warrior squads at all. So the only variation left for the Eldar is numbers of different units taken in a force, and the Codex Craftworld list does an excellent job of giving us options with that.

I'd rather see the design team focus on ironing out the few wrinkles in the Eldar list right now (WaveSerpents being especially hurt by the new vehicle rules, the weakness of shuriken catapults and especially Dire Avengers, an alternate HQ to Avatars, Farseers and Pheonix Lords, and tweaking a few units/psychic powers/etc to make them desireable in certain situations compared to other units (Shining Spears/Jetbikes, Eldritch Storm, Fire Prism, Swooping Hawks (in a role other than Exarch delivery system), etc.) than spend their time on a custom craftworld ruleset the Eldar simply don't need.

I wouldnt bother to argue the case for having DIY elements in the llist if it were just to get new units as I agree that eldar are spoilt for choice, but I would like to see more craftworld specific rules than simple army composition rules. The eldar need point reductions in certain areas too, such as costs of certain exarchs, while they still only have 1 wound - the warp spider exarch is a classic example of a 65 point 1 wound model - i realise tho that whatever changes are made, whinging will happen and abuses made of the spirit of the game so ehh... what can ya do?

craft world sucks. my friend is an eldar guy and he doesnt use it EVER. :ph34r: NINJA

Im very happy for your friend.

Id like to see a saim hann boxed set come out - there are enough plastic models in the range to easily produce that sort of boxed set, and it would cheapen the amount of money needed to collect a large amount of jetbikes. and a model for nuadu of the silver hand oops I mean nuadu fireheart

he uses 3 sets of guardians
fire dragons
a big ass bunch of the psycher dudes
and other groups that i dont remember.
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VERY GOOD COMBO!

So when is a date that looks probable for the release of the new Eldar(esque) Codex? Some said April, does anyone else have speculations or educated guesses? And I agree with JOHIRA! about pretty much everything. I'm especially an advocate for improving Exarchs (maybe more wounds, maybe less points, refine abilities, etc.), more range (or power) for shuriken catapults, do something to Wave Serpents that makes them good regardless of new rules (I luva da Serpents, but it seem bery unlikely dat dey will change dem), fix some gliches with psyker powers and PLEASE make jetbikes cost less! I'm stoked about this new codex.

Originally posted by Kilranthine@Jan 25 2005, 01:31
So when is a date that looks probable for the release of the new Eldar(esque) Codex? Some said April, does anyone else have speculations or educated guesses? And I agree with JOHIRA! about pretty much everything. I'm especially an advocate for improving Exarchs (maybe more wounds, maybe less points, refine abilities, etc.), more range (or power) for shuriken catapults, do something to Wave Serpents that makes them good regardless of new rules (I luva da Serpents, but it seem bery unlikely dat dey will change dem), fix some gliches with psyker powers and PLEASE make jetbikes cost less! I'm stoked about this new codex.
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I agree with the jetbikes costing less, but that is all. As it is now Eldar is overpowered and overfluffed. It is a shame that Eldar will be revised before some of the ignored armies (Orks, Dark Eldar, Tyranids) that haven't been revised in some time. Eldar have more than enough choices, guns, cheap psychic powers, etc. to hold them off for years. It is also ridiculous to think that they need to make the Exarchs BETTER as they have plenty of special powers, as for the shuriken catapults, S4, AP5 is bad why for an 8 pt model....?

To answer you about why I want Eldar to have better things, Archon Ryan, I'm just a greedy little punk. But I'm intrigued, so the Eldar Codex is coming out before Tyranid? Because I heard that Tyranid was getting a massive upheaval of models and rules this year. So does that mean the Eldar Codex is coming out this year as well? And I do agree with you, Ryan, from a practical stand point. Eldar do have a lot. And I would like to see more for Orks and Dark Eldar (especially DE because they get the shaft). But as far as I've heard, Tyranid will be getting some attention real soon, which is spooky because, "I don't want to be eaten!"

Craftworlds dont suck... lol


and yeah its cool your friend dont use a chapter.

but there are some fun you can find in craftworlds...


just need some tweaks.. for some.

I, too, would like to see the Eldar codex come out soon....

I heard a rumour (from somewhere, forget where) that they are definitely creating an official Harlequin section to be put into the Eldar Codex. Anyone else know about this?

Doubt it. There is some tak about giving the 'quins thier own Codex, but I seriously doubt they'd stuff it in the back of the Eldar codes unless they alter the Haerlequins rules and stats to more closely resemble regular Eldar.

The Eldar codex is really old and shows it, especially when you take a look at the model showcase and don't recognize many of the figures because they have been redone in the 8-9 years since the codex came out.

I personally don't think we need new guns except maybe a change to the Shuriken Cannon. However, as far as psychic powers go the eldar need some changes to compare to the powers that the Imperium has. Also, points cost on the Shining Spears and Eldar Gaurdian Jetbikes needs to go down. If you compare our bikes to the Dark Eldar bikes they pay an extra 13 or so points to put a Wyche on a bike, where as we pay 27 more points to put a gaurdian on a bike. IMHO the DE bikes +1S on the assault balances out with our 6" assault move.

Are you people that desparate for a reason to break out all your old Dino-Riders toys?
http://www.arrrr.com/dinoriders/dinowar-1.jpg
Seriously though, I don't get this continued interest in Harlequins and Exodites. I mean, I thought dinosaurs were all cool and stuff when I was 8 too, but it ain't the 80's anymore... And the whole garish french clown army concept is just completely freakin retarded. I doubt either will ever get rules from GW cause they realized a long time ago that both of them are geyyyy.

Originally posted by YourHeadASplode@Feb 15 2005, 15:21
The Eldar codex is really old and shows it, especially when you take a look at the model showcase and don't recognize many of the figures because they have been redone in the 8-9 years since the codex came out.

I personally don't think we need new guns except maybe a change to the Shuriken Cannon. However, as far as psychic powers go the eldar need some changes to compare to the powers that the Imperium has. Also, points cost on the Shining Spears and Eldar Gaurdian Jetbikes needs to go down. If you compare our bikes to the Dark Eldar bikes they pay an extra 13 or so points to put a Wyche on a bike, where as we pay 27 more points to put a gaurdian on a bike. IMHO the DE bikes +1S on the assault balances out with our 6" assault move.
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Yeah, we dont need new weapons, but we need tweaks.

IMO, shuricats, a little more beef please...

as for the jetbikes.. either lower points.. OR give em more special rules worth fielding!






as my view has changed now.



i feel that they should NOT MAKE, exodites, and harlequins, even though i may love their fluff, but ......


they shouldnt do it, as it is too of a large project, and it would take more than the standard 3 months to release it.


even though we haven't recieved an update for so long.... xeno hunters has to come out :)

and redo orks too. we can't still the whole show...lol

i hope they dont get combined into one cause that will make the book bigger and more expensive or very little about each army in each book so i hope it dosnt

A trait system is very likely, nearly every codex since imperial guard (thats right we had it first) has had some sort of one can someone tell me if witch hunters and daemon hunters have one.

all i can think of is that they have that radical and pure inquisitor thing

the only reason i want a trait system is because I hate the craftworld colors. Altoic is the color of someones swim suit, Uthwe is just too bland being black and white, and beil tan, well, i just hate green and white. The only halfway decent colors are saim hi (or whatever) but i dont want to field a billion jetbikes! :angry:

Harleqins are another thing i dont want to see either, unless they really, really, really redo the appearance.

"In the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium man stands on the brink of destruction by CLOWNS IN RAINBOW ARMOR!!!" yeah, real fierce right there. <_<

I like the idea of exodites and wouldn't mind seeing them come back as long as they got cool new models.

out of 40k the race that needs the msot changes/upgrades etc is Dark Eldar. All their elites except for the wyches BLOW. Their fast attack blows(hellions what!.....), the RJB are decent but not really 2 good. The heavy support is pretty good, except for the useless scourges. Overall, they got a TINY selection of untis they could actually use effectively.

As for the models, they are terrible, and the owrst in all of 40k without a doubt. Just becuase nto many pppl play them doesnt mean they should be ignored and eldar bumped up more(instead of reducing all da cheese i hear about) and pumpim more cash into SM jsut cuz msot ppl paly them... Otherwise EVERYONE will play SM soon enough and dats just boring

I'd love to see Harleqins come back as i have a few of the old models that i've aquired over the years. Mind you mine are all Goth Harleqins lol

still i was put off dark eldar when i took out 5 of their raiders in my first turn.
I also agree that dark elday are the lamest models out and need to be re-amped.

As far as background goes and character the army rocks and i'm looking forward to when the new codex comes out

There will not be harlequins in the codex sadly. Confusion has been generated because a while ago when GW first aknowleged the combined eldar codex,they said there would be harlequins and exodites in it,so the entire race would be represented. A couple of months ago though they said it looked like they didnt have the time or the space to put in harlequins after all,or exodites. Now they say they definitly arent going to be able to. Oh well...atleast they tried,i can understand GW not having the resources or the time table to accomodate harlequins better than i can understand them just not caring.

After speaking with Grahem Mcneil at the scottish conflict i can say with absalute certainty that there is not going to be one big Eldar/Dark Eldar codex. both will be done as seperate codex's.

I find it amusing that people say the Dark Eldar models really suck and that no one plays them because the army list isn't that great either. Then they turn around and say that GW should't pull them off the shelves even though no one is buying or playing them? :confused:

People do play them tanglethorn! And people are buying them, the number of DE players is growing (slowly) as their power is demonstrated.

eldar will not get any SMurf or IG trait type thing. only eldar with sub sections on big craftworlds. no exodites (for several years...), harlies get a new dex at some point, probs 2006-7. d. eldar will be year at least away. they need lots of work. apparently might make them kinda pirate so more neutral, less SandM fanatics (mmm, whip... :D )

hopefully they will not combine Dark Eldar and Eldar as they are very different. GW is also to ditch mini dexes so i think they will get their own codexes. has any one noticed that DE modles are begging to disapear from Gw stores?

hopefully they will not combine Dark Eldar and Eldar as they are very different. GW is also to ditch mini dexes so i think they will get their own codexes. has any one noticed that DE modles are begging to disapear from Gw stores?


It's because the line has been discontinued (model wise anyhow)

yeah, its really annoying having to order everything but the plastic range. I could care less about a new codex for DE, but GW needs to show some love because right now we are definitly being screwed around. As for no one playing DE... come down to our GW store and tell me that. I think the thing is DE don't get involved in any major conflicts due to there raider style of fighting, so its hard for GW to stop working on a major player (bugs and orks) for us. But hopefully as the sale reports keep comming back to head office they will realise the truth and wake up and fix DE.