Anyone hear when a new box set of 40K will be released. Now that the 3rd LOTR boxed game is in stores I would think that this item would be next on their to do list.

I am praying to the gods of all things 40K that the new set will be Space Marines vs. Tyranids and that it will feature some new artwork and updated rule book.

any rumors floating around?

tom :a

Sometime next year or as late as 2005 4th edition 40k.
WAAAGH!

I've heard about it, but I haven't heard of any new boxed set being released. If there is a new boxed set, it will probably be Daemonhunters and Chaos. The newsest and most popular armies at present. The Space Marines have had their chance and there aren't enough Nid players to include them in the Boxed set.....

I was thinking its time for the Orks to make another showing in a boxed set, just like 2nd edition 40k, Space Marines and Orks, the classic show down.
WAAAGH!

With the release of 4th edition next summer (i think) they will defanitly bring a new one out then . My hopese are that its daemonhunters v tau (i dont like tau )
but the chances are it will space marine v some one probly darkeldar or chaos :w

Without doubt, it'll be Space Marine v someone, since SM are the flagship race for Games Workshop, and there are less models for more points.
Space Marines also have very few special rules, good if your starting out.

It's just economics.

Without doubt, it'll be Space Marine v someone, since SM are the flagship race for Games Workshop, and there are less models for more points.
Space Marines also have very few special rules, good if your starting out.


That is exactly why it probably will be SM. It gets new players to start witha small, cheap force that is quite powerful (i dont want to start an argument with the collecters of other armies, i am just sayin'). They also get players used to special rules without overwhelming them.

with the eye o' terror and all i expect that chaos would be involved against space marines as daemon hunters are metal and all the models are made to be plastic.

i reckon it will be space marine V Tau

It'll be Sms, because as it's been said they are the best beginner's army. And I think it'll be 'Nids, with 'Stealers in box. They should be easy to put together if it's going to be snap together models.

Its SM vs. 'Nids, becuase 'nids don't sell well. I guess they want to get them up and running. Don't expect it to work, as few new players to 40K are crazy enough to play 'nids (and experienced ones for that matter:lol:).

hmm prolly it's SM vs necrons both armies are suitable for beginners (well for Crons not really but painting wise yeah it's for beginners).

One thing is for sure, it's definantly gonna be space marines vs. someone.
Obviously not dark eldar since they are in this edition and besides... they don't sell good.

Maybe as you say it might be 'nids.
They are an obvious enemy... no doubt about that...
I don't think tau will be the "enemy".
What most new players look for is maybe some "real" good guys versus bad guys theme.
So most proparbly it will be some mean looking enemy.
My guess is that it is either nids or orks...
But hey!
That's my oppinion...

I hope Eldar do something, as i have not seen an eldar campaign sinc i started collecting...

Also, if a new edition comes out, does it mean that my army will be obselete, or can i still use it?

You can still use all of your models, of course, but the rules will probably be changed a bit. However, from what I've heard, this edition won't come anywhere close to the rules shakeup of the last edition.

They will probably bring out the next starter set with 4TH edition, And we already have new models for choas and daemonhunters, so I expect It will definetly be SM vs Orks, its really only natural that they bring out one of the best selling sides against one of the worst. (Shame, Im crimson fists and id like to take another shot at those orks!) I would like to see more Ork stuff anyway, easy to wipe out :D
Hope that helped. And you know what would be good in forth edition, in my opinion. GIANT FERETS FROM OOMPA-CHEESE IX!

Bye Bye Fellow Cheese Lovers!

I agree with the Chees Master.....I think it will be Space Marines and Orks. They both have plastics and the SM's are the staple of the game system. I believe somone said earlier it is simple economics....he's right. The one thing I have learned sice I succomed to the the sickness of 40K is GW is all about the money. Why do you think they redo the rules often, it leads to a new boxed set, then a new line of models, new fluff, new this and that......$1000 later here we are the same visciouse cycle has begun again......

They might make up another race and sack one of the less popular ones off, maybe even just add another race full stop.

What it will come down to is who is in charge of the release and the brainstorming of ideas behind it.

Lets face it that is how the Tau came about, "Look, why are there no ninja oriental types in the game? Everyone loves the Japanese don't they, I myself have four replica samurai swords, have seen every Akira Kurosawa film twice and think I can draw like manga illustrators so that must mean something...." to which... "We tried oriental themes before, 'Nippon' sucked the big one so lets just let those few lone fruitcakes like yourself give themselves netnames like 'Sensei Tsukagamasukinaka' and pretend they are thicko Japanese criminals err I mean Yakuzas and call their chapters the 'Ronins' or the 'Space Samurai' or whatever, its not as if we have to play with that sort very often.." and then "But what do you mean (nearly in tears) Oriental culture is so much better than everything else in life don't you understand that? Look I have a tattoo in Japanese - it means errrr... something or other. Why are you being so mean to me? Are you racist or something? Didn't you watch Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? Waaaaaa!" Finally... "Look if I say you can do this will you just take your stupid hats and dopey swords, kind of system of honour that is half patronising and half nonsensical and idiot unpronouncable titles out of my sight and never apply them to me or the Imperium of Man ever again?" , "m'kay, can my race live in the Galactic Orient?", "Whatever", "can they be called the Sensei Space Ronin of Doom" ...... "You are this close to having your entire set of paints inserted into you at the moment you know?...."

Ahem.

Anyhow the point being a new designer could come along and dump his ideas on the hobby by making something new (always popular in these boxed sets - remember lizardmen in WHFB?) or revamping (read mauling over) an older and less well selling line.

In any event for the new set if it materialises I put Space Skaven forward as a much loved race which arises having wiped out the Tau and the Necrons who have really badly dubious storylines to begin with.

i heard somewhere that itll be marined and nids though im gonna keep wishin for guard and chaos

Guys, it IS 'nids, there was never an element of uncertainty in there. I've seen it on the GW site.

Originally posted by Jack Blood@Nov 20 2003, 14:18
They might make up another race and sack one of the less popular ones off, maybe even just add another race full stop.

What it will come down to is who is in charge of the release and the brainstorming of ideas behind it.

Lets face it that is how the Tau came about, "Look, why are there no ninja oriental types in the game? Everyone loves the Japanese don't they, I myself have four replica samurai swords, have seen every Akira Kurosawa film twice and think I can draw like manga illustrators so that must mean something...." to which... "We tried oriental themes before, 'Nippon' sucked the big one so lets just let those few lone fruitcakes like yourself give themselves netnames like 'Sensei Tsukagamasukinaka' and pretend they are thicko Japanese criminals err I mean Yakuzas and call their chapters the 'Ronins' or the 'Space Samurai' or whatever, its not as if we have to play with that sort very often.." and then "But what do you mean (nearly in tears) Oriental culture is so much better than everything else in life don't you understand that? Look I have a tattoo in Japanese - it means errrr... something or other. Why are you being so mean to me? Are you racist or something? Didn't you watch Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? Waaaaaa!" Finally... "Look if I say you can do this will you just take your stupid hats and dopey swords, kind of system of honour that is half patronising and half nonsensical and idiot unpronouncable titles out of my sight and never apply them to me or the Imperium of Man ever again?" , "m'kay, can my race live in the Galactic Orient?", "Whatever", "can they be called the Sensei Space Ronin of Doom" ...... "You are this close to having your entire set of paints inserted into you at the moment you know?...."

Ahem.

Anyhow the point being a new designer could come along and dump his ideas on the hobby by making something new (always popular in these boxed sets - remember lizardmen in WHFB?) or revamping (read mauling over) an older and less well selling line.

In any event for the new set if it materialises I put Space Skaven forward as a much loved race which arises having wiped out the Tau and the Necrons who have really badly dubious storylines to begin with.
Dude chill out, and they arent gonna sack tau or necrons b/c they are really popular and new so have options for expanding with more model and more model=more money. And if they push a new race forward it should be squats.

I still rekon it will be sm v tau Because I was speaking to staff at my local gw and they where saying there has been great rise in the sales of tau since the relese of Fire Warior and most of them were beginers :D

Naw, guys and gals.

It'll be the upcoming Adeptus Mars squat models, since the first codex to be released with 40K v. 4.0 will be Codex: Adeptus Mars, a force composed of squats known for awesome technical skills and wicked weaponry. Haven't you seen the latest pics at Johnny's site, like the Martian warwalker with triple-linked lascannons, warp gate generator, krak grenade launcher, 1+ invulnerable save, yadda, yadda, all for 50 pts.? No? :D

Seriously. Marines. Always. In the boxed set, and the first official codex released in conjuction with 4th edition. It'll be great, and we all want it. :w

Originally posted by The Exploited@Nov 21 2003, 10:46
Dude chill out, and they arent gonna sack tau or necrons b/c they are really popular and new so have options for expanding with more model and more model=more money. And if they push a new race forward it should be squats.
Hey I am I am chilled out dude, I can quite easily deny the utility, potential and relevance of applying quasi-medieval Japanese and Chinese society to a new implemented 40k race. Same with an upgraded technologified race from WHFB (the Undead + steel plating = Necrons) without even breaking a sweat..

The thing being I remember Nippon being released previously and it bombing because a designer thought the idea of samurai and shogun and so forth was the bees-knees only to find that noone really agreed with him.

I daresay people play Tau because they don't realise what they represent in game and I would further hazard that they are disappointed when they find out. That having been said Tau should be a race to stay in the game - as I alluded earlier in this post and in my previous post it acts as a useful sink to toss all the oriental culture that misguided people try to apply to the Imperials and other races and puts it in one easily ignorable basket.

Necrons okay, people buy them because they want to play the game and not worry about painting but the necrons fluff destroyed a lot of fluff that the universe was built on for a long time (what happened to the Slann and so forth being the ultimate beings in the univers until they went on holiday?) and is infact one of these 'nothing' races. It was developed because somebody (well probably because someone watches the terminator too much) made a mini then made fluff around it, this fluff getting more and more elaborate until the point where you get ridiculous ideas like these C'tan whatnots. Utterly ludicrous.

However live and let live but I give them both three years each until they end up in the same state as the Tyrannids.

Squats it won't be for legal reasons and also because lets face it, even dwarves in WHFB just aren't that popular.

I still say if you can have space skeletons why not have space rats?

Adeptus Rattus all the way!

space skaven huh? well take a look at page 116 of the rule book and you will see a nocturnal warrior of Hrud- now if that aint a space rat i dont know what is.

well it's pretty much unanymous that space marines are gonna be in the box but i think it would be really good if they released chaos marines alongside them, seeing as they just had the big eye of terror campaign it seems reasonable and also rules wise they are both pretty much exactly the same.

this is off topic but, when was the Nippon army released? And who says the dwarfs are unpopular?

Originally posted by Jack Blood@Nov 22 2003, 06:46
Necrons okay, people buy them because they want to play the game and not worry about painting but the necrons fluff destroyed a lot of fluff that the universe was built on for a long time (what happened to the Slann and so forth being the ultimate beings in the univers until they went on holiday?) and is infact one of these 'nothing' races. It was developed because somebody (well probably because someone watches the terminator too much) made a mini then made fluff around it, this fluff getting more and more elaborate until the point where you get ridiculous ideas like these C'tan whatnots. Utterly ludicrous.


having only played 40K for almost 2 mths now, I don't know much about fluffs. However, to me, having some "Star Gods" and some "daemonic" beings against the purging "holy knights" (daemonhunters) are all weird to me. I dunno, it's just that the sci fi setting does not fit the religious setting very well at all. Maybe I will get used to it some day.

I want to see squats make a reapearence in the box against and re do the grethins into space goblins and have there own army

I'd be surprised if its anything but Marines vs. Tyranids or Orcs in the box. Marines have to be in the box because they are one of the quickest armies to kick-start into the game with.

Personally I think the entire 40k world needs to be shaken up a bit. Since 40k came around its been Emperor this, chaos that, heretic this, and its been done so much that it has been done to death. It was nice to see some innovation in the form of Tau, Demon Hunters and Dark Eldar, but ultimately the galaxy is essentially unchanged.

If I was in charge, I'd have the Emperor withdraw into himself psychically for some reason, throwing the galaxy into dissaray. The Warp is fragmented by the force of the psychic shockwave-- entire ships are lost and races attempting to jump wind up in completely wrong places.

While the Ministorum struggles to revitalize the Emperor on Terra, a man rises among the galactic fringe and unites several systems in a last-ditch effort to stave off the largest hive fleet yet encountered, which has been drawn to the chaos of the Imperium's ailness.

I'd then set up an army that combines elements of the now-scarce Eldar with their more feral, wild relatives that still live on-planet. The two are forced to cooperate as craftworlds and planets are besieged by the C'Tan for reasons unknown to them. Like a black storm, the Necrons strike deep into the heart of the Imperium, and in their wake comes the Orcs, who both war with the Necrons and seek the planets that escape their grasp.

With the Emperor withdrawn, and Cadia under siege by the fluctuations of the eye of terror, Ursukar Creed overrides the authority of the Adpetus Astartes and proclaims himself commander of the Imperium during the time of emergency. Creed declares martial law and readies himself to defend the Imperium at all costs. He appeals to the Space Marines for help. Some do remain to aid him, but others grudgingly fan out to secure the safety of the other areas of the Imperium.

The rest of it would just fall into place. But this is what GW really needs to do. They need to shake thing up a little.

contact lost, very interesting idea, but i don't see games workshop shaking up the 40k universe that much.
my opinion on the new box, well, space marines of course. most likely against orks, simply because they are the quintesential alien bad guys. actually, they really are the only alien bad guys in the game. dark eldar are still simply evil eldar, and tyranids are simply bugs. the necrons are kind of just undead, and the tau aren't really evil at all, only from the imperial perspective that all xenos are heathen abominations.
in regards to space skaven, games workshop has said on numerous occasions that there will never be a space skaven army (though using skaven in a lost and the damned army could have potential)

They also said there wasn't going to be space undead except in very limited ways and look where we are now - almost a direct port over of FB's Khemri. Mummies in Space.

To be fair though Adeptus Rattus is just facetiousnous, I myself cannot see how the concept of the cancerous Skaven under-empire which is supposed to run parallel to all of human civilisation existing in a universe where any planet that got riddled with them could be declared exterminatus - it just wouldn't make sense. Plus Skaven have to be one of less popular races, only marginally more popular than Dwarves based on sales but miles better than Nippon of course.

I dunno, I suspect that GW could find a way to twist them into the plotline some way or other and hell why not!

Yah. I love working at a GW, because know what's one of the cardinal rules we're taught. "You are to never, under any circumstances, EVER acknowledge that squats ever existed."

In short, Squats are hated. Badly. Like, "BURN THE SQUATS!"

And the management keeps having to tell people, that orders have been handed down to say, "Skaven have never been, or ever will be in the 40 millenium. And what are these Squat things you're talking about? Nonsense I say!"

So, sorry to shoot down yer Squat and Skaven hopes. Those two have been labelled "fair game for genocide" in the 40k universe.

I'm pretty certain it's going to be SM and Orcs, mostly because of how big of an impact Armageddon had.

Looks like that's a challenge to show up a Golden Demon with a magnificently painted and battle-ready squat force. Then bring along a buddie's custom-converted Skaven to play against ^_^

Note to people who keep bringing up Squats - GW has stated that they will never come back. EVER. Never were in too much demand so they axed. THEY WILL NEVER RETURN. lets all put this to rest and stop speculating when an army that isnt coming back will return. All in agreement? Yes? good.

it'd be cool if they put say 3 races in the box set, anyone remember the old old old epic box set? where you got marines / orks / eldar? granted, they where really basic sprues and the only extra you got was the warlord titan + transport vehicles for the 3 races... maybe a little bit unfeasible in a 40k box set given the size of the minis, but a nice idea nonetheless

a lot of people have said tyranids... i hope to hell it isn't dark eldar, most of my dark eldar minis got consigned straight to the bits box or the bin.. tyranids mmm... not too sure about them... eldar would be nice to see

7th

So, I was thinking it would be awesome if squats came back, but they redid them entirely, like made them crazy when it came to power weapons.

Imagine a Dwarf with a big-ass power axe. Awwww yeah.

IMO, the problem with squats the first time around was they made them stubby imperial guard. That's bad.

they ARE making new genestealers and by my estimation they'll be out somewhere near the time of the boxed set release, plus it would be practical to use them, what with space hulk nostalgia, and the fact that having the boxed set being sm vs genestealers would be pretty damn cheap (especially if the new genestealers are anything resembling the simplicity of the old models).

i'm looking at the nids idea as the most likely. orks had their chance. chaos would be too hectic for beginners. just the waaay overdone fluff, special characters, and models would freak people out (dont get me wrong i like chaos). whoever said they think dark eldar will be in the next box is off their rocker :D eldar? i can see it. they seem to be losing their grip and damn fast, at least around here, they might need a kick in the rear. Tau or crons might be because they're the new armies with great new plastics, but i think its unlikely. IG is a big runner IMO, but to replace the SM. new cadians are a real shocker and definitely a good show for beginners. space marines need to get knocked from the spotlight for a damn second, get people more interested in the OTHER ARMIES hehehe.

Oh, and you nid players like me might want to search around for pics of the new genestealers they're making. they're pretty iffy, i dont like them much. some love em, and some hate em. i know i'm gonna buy some extra stealers before they become scarce, just to be sure.

I get the feeling that there are some GW employees posting here--which is cool--but the whole anti-Squat/anti-Space Rat thing is way over the top.

We're just joking, really. We are. Really.

It's funny to think, at one time, perhaps even today, there's a GW development guy (Gav Thorpe comes to mind) trying to push yet another pet project through, like, I don't know...

SQUATS!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

What about an all Death Company Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers/Angels Encarmine battle company?

Or, some Macross-inspired "suits" worn by combatants? No?

I'd like to see an official GW Waveserpent model, or a tricked out official GW Space Ork battlewagon kit with cool sprues for customizing the thing for Ork players, or an official GW rulebook free of ambiguity, spelling/grammatical errors, with an exhaustive index. Add a CD-ROM in the back with which the purchaser registers online to download updates and clarifications.

Aren't Gav & Andy related? Drinking mates at least? The fount of bad ideas...

:lol:

As to the Squats, I think they were scratching for ideas for them in the first place but that is my own dorf hating opinion.

I do remember reading at some point some fluff saying that the Squat homeworlds were eaten by the Tyrannids a long time ago and hence the reason they won't come back - they are all now reconstituted 'space insect' biomass. Actually it could have been the point where they dropped the SpaceDorf concept and that might have been excuse they gave to the followers of the dodgy 'tached diminutive ancestor infested bikerboys.

Space Rats are and always have been a joke, the concept doesn't transfer from a medieval city to space as rats are not the harbingers of doom in a technological enviroment that they were in the middle ages. However the concept they transferred to deal with an insidious menace is the Genestealer covens. Genestealer infestation is an analogy of rat infestation and hybridisation over generations is the parallel of a rat transmitted plague. A fitting tribute to the ratties.

And I still say after all that, that Rats in Space makes for a hell of a better story and race than 'Tinplated Skeletons in Space' or 'inappropriately technologically advanced blue Japanese Peasant Levies in Space'

Originally posted by Jack Blood@Dec 2 2003, 17:21
And I still say after all that, that Rats in Space makes for a hell of a better story and race than 'Tinplated Skeletons in Space' or 'inappropriately technologically advanced blue Japanese Peasant Levies in Space'
:lol:

Yeah, the fluff is pretty silly, hunh? "Tin-plated skeletons." lol

As for the Tau, I agree with you, Jack. And one of the truly bad things about them is how some of the players can't pronounce "Ethereal." But, I do like the models, especially the Hammerhead. Puts the Eldar tanks to shame, that one.

I'm not trying to scold, demean and/or flame. GW has some pretty silly stuff going on; I can't tell who's perpetuating it: them or the players.

But, back to the topic: the 40k boxed set.

Regardless of what miniatures it will contain, I vote for a rulebook being written with the assistance of information organizers such as technical writers; look at other extant examples already on the market. The IK Warmachine Prime rulebook, for example, is a rulebook put together with competence. It has its typos, and has been revised since its first printing, but it is a better publication than the 40k rulebook.

When I read the current 40k rulebook, I see an acceptable introductory section, an acceptable collecting/painting/modelling section, but a downright dirty rules section. That section reads like a college paper written the night before! Edit, edit, edit! Proofread, proofread, proofread! It's one thing to playtest rules, but can we players please get a rulebook written by someone with a command of language (after all, GW games are available in several languages throughout the world)?While the fiction/fluff writers achieve some success (except the fellow in the recent White Dwarf using 'sew' instead of 'sow' in the summary of the EoT campaign), the rulebook writers end up causing confusion. And I won't accept so-called "conspiracy theories" about this being intentional so GW can continue to sell additional books and Chapter Approved publications. It's just plain bad writing (note: keep Andy C. & Gav Thorpe from speaking in any way, shape or form).

There are better ways to express special rules; do away with idiot special rules names like, "And they shall know no fear," and "We'll be back." If the 40k GW elite commando development team prizes economy of words, then why the contradiction? What we get are poorly stated rules but dumb special rules names like the aforementioned Space Marine & Necron rules.

Find them. They're out there. They're called writers. In fact, the game may benefit from hiring an outsider, someone NOT familiar with the game. That way, he/she can write a rulebook ANYONE can read, gather some models, and begin to play with little clarification needed.

We need a well-written rulebook. Period. Miniatures, dice, rulers, cool box art, and all the other stuff mean nothing without the rulebook.


"And they shall write a good rulebook."

Yeah, good luck on that. I've been playing GW games since 1994 and I've yet to see one logically laid-out rulebook. They also need to fire their editing staff. People miss ***** way too much.

There's one thing I would like to see in the new boxed set: Two balanced, fully playable forces. Give us (assuming this part of the rules remains the same) a HQ and two troops for both sides. This would create an easier "entry" for new players -- they need to buy no further models to start playing simple games with a fully-legal force (most of the early games of 40k I played involved jury-rigged, rules-breaking forces of one sort or another -- including the infamous salt shaker Space Marine Captain...)

Another thing they need to sort out is balance -- if you play the two forces in the current boxed set against each other (which is the demo GW usually runs), you'll find the DE force woefully inadequate -- GW has to change the stats of the splinter weapons so they can even harm the landspeeder!!!!

Another plus would be the possible kick-ass plastic HQ models... GW could even turn a greater profit by making them only available in the starter set. Imagine for a moment a fully-poseable, parts-interchangable plastic space marine captain -- who wouldn't want one?

Anyway, enough of my rants... after all, what do I know?

Right, forgive me if I duplicate somethings as I've just read this whole post in a couple of minutes.

1. It WILL be Space Marines and Tyranids in the box. There are numerous reasons but one of the main ones is that it reflects an easily grasped Sci-Fi concept (Humans with cool equipment fighting off hordes of nightmarish aliens), think Alien, Aliens, Starship Trooper (the book, but also to a lesser extent the film) etc. It makes the game more accessable to the man on the street.

2. Squats are dead but a race on the cards is the Demiurge - in short space dwarfs (no pun intended) but without the crappy drunken, biker concept of the Squats. Let me be quoted as saying I never liked the Squats but these guys have possibility. So all the people who for some reason have been desperate for the return of Squats will almost get their wish - you'll only have to wait 5-10 years more.

Originally posted by Dragonslayero@Nov 20 2003, 11:12
One thing is for sure, it's definantly gonna be space marines vs. someone.
Obviously not dark eldar since they are in this edition and besides... they don't sell good.

Maybe as you say it might be 'nids.
They are an obvious enemy... no doubt about that...
I don't think tau will be the "enemy".
What most new players look for is maybe some "real" good guys versus bad guys theme.
So most proparbly it will be some mean looking enemy.
My guess is that it is either nids or orks...
But hey!
That's my oppinion...
Well I have a good DE army and I love them.............

Well kids, from what I've gathered, SM and nids will be in the 4th ed boxed set. That's cool, but i agree with the earlier comment (my stoner mind can't remember whose) that they need a PLAYABLE force in the boxed set. the SM and DE were completely skewed when it came down to the force organization charts. the SM had 2 troops and a fast attack, and the DE had nothing but troops. :rolleyes:

When I first saw the boxed set, I sat and scratched my head saying, "***** are these guys thinking? how can you call this a beginners' set when the beginners can't play a legit battle with the forces they get?" :blink: You could play a 40k in 40 mins. battle, but you still don't have the core elements that you need to begin building an army.

IMO, the boxed set is all a conspiracy by GW to leech our hard earned prostitution, drug, extortion, and laundered money out of our garters, g-strings, wallets, and pockets. :lol: Once you buy the boxed set, if you want to continue building your army, you have to buy an HQ mini(at least), which is about 1/8 the price of the boxed set in itself! What I say you do is, don't worry about the boxed set, and just start you army from scratch, because honestly, I'd only like ONE army with the starter boxed set, instead of 2.

They should make boxed sets with rulebook, templates, dice, etc. based around one army, i.e. chaos boxed set, DE boxed set, so on and so forth.

My 17,493,321,854,002 bits.

Yes, the new box set will be 40K 4th edition, Nids vs SM, refer to my other post for the details, digging it up now...

http://www.librarium-online.com/forum/inde...topic=576&st=30 (http://www.librarium-online.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=576&st=30)

The discriptions of the Demiurge would seem to sugest squats or "The Red Dwarfs" as i like to call them ;)

Let me stress....they have gills.....they are not squats......and never will be.

Dorfs with gills? I could go with that.

It pleases the Space Dorf camp by giving them something when the fluff actually indicates that the Squat homeworlds were eaten by the Tyrannids and they just will not be coming back at all ever.

Take what you can get I'd say...

With the new 40K boxed set expect Space Marines. You should also a sprue or 2 of the new genestealers, some gaunts, and the up N coming Plastic Carnifex, enough said.

I'm just hoping the dark eldar aren't in it. Blech!

There's a lot of good points in this tread... A well-written rulebook -That'd be new. :D

I think the idear somebody posted, that GW should make "starters sets" for each army to go with the rulebook is great, but it will never happen -too much work for too little profit for GW I think.

Yeah, Let's get playable forces with the 4th Edition boxed set. Or how about a 4th Edition boxed set WITHOUT plastics in it.. Most ppl inhere already have an army!

Keeping in line with the whole goodguys/badguys in the 4th Edition... Space Marines might go for the new Cadian plastics -they are easier for new players to identify with than the Space Marines I think. GW could let them face off against the 'Nids :D

for one thing, whats with people hating necrons? they arent just undead, they represent the ultimate evil in the universe. the c'tan are undoubtedly the most evil things ever-even more than the chaos gods.
ok rant over...

i heard that the new started set will have new plastic termies. not the really crappy ones in the boxed set now, but new, cool posed ones. think grey knight termies.. that would be amazing

CONFIRMED!!! SMurfs and TYRANIDS!!! WOOHOO, there will be heaps more tyranid players.

Ok, I'm not sure what they are puting in the box, but I was told (by GW sources) that there is definatley 2 books going to be realeeased. 1 for the rules to play the game and another for all the army lists. Having scaled down versions of ALL the new codices seems pretty good. They must be bought seperately when not bought in boxed set though. This may seem a strange decision but having the 2 books in 1 would be way too huge.

where the hell u hear that? thas not happenig seperate codexes will still be done.

He didn't say they wouldn't.

Originally posted by speed_freeksta!@Feb 14 2004, 19:47
1 for the rules to play the game and another for all the army lists. Having scaled down versions of ALL the new codices seems pretty good.
yes he did, they wont sell them all and seperate at all, why? itd 1.make the box 2expensive and 2 damage sales seriously, i shud know i have a NVQ lv3 in retail.

Yeah it seems way too far fetched that they are getting rid of the codices and putting every list in one book

No, the fact that they have a scaled down version of all the codices does not mean there will not be codexes anymore. The books will just be for people like me who know no stats of necrons and tau as they are not in the BBB at the moment.

Yeah in the boxed set they will have a scaled down version of all the codexes but then they will have seperate codexes as well with all the information. 8|

Why would people who already have armies want to buy a new box set? Surely buying the rulebook by itself would be money better spent.

My two cents is that SM vs Tyranids is the logical choice since reading that editorial about the upcoming changes to 40k.

Originally posted by Sergei Mikhailavich Gorbachev@Nov 19 2003, 18:27
Its SM vs. 'Nids, becuase 'nids don't sell well. I guess they want to get them up and running. Don't expect it to work, as few new players to 40K are crazy enough to play 'nids (and experienced ones for that matter:lol:).
Hey, 'nids are my first army and I'm only a freshman in Highschool! Honestly I find the rules for WH40k Play far more complicated than playing 'nids or their rules..as for new Tyranid players? NOOOOO!!! I've already seen a box of a newbs 'nids and they looked like Necrons they were painted with a very shiny acrylic metal paint..almost chrome..more nid players mean more crowding of the play tables...go play SMurfs or the 'crons

Some people seem to be having a problem with this, after it has been mentioned about 5 times.

It is Space Marines
AND WITHOUT DOUBT, COMPLETELY CERTAIN TYRANIDS

It will be most likely 10 Space marines (Tactical Squad)
Possibly a Land Speeder (A rhino maybe)
IT IS GENESTEALERS, they may get extra models (as well as new normal Genestealers)
The Scenery IS a crashed ship
There will most likely be a starter version with just rules no fluff and a "Veteran's" version with everything.
Expect £50 price


RELEASE BETWEEN AUGUST AND OCTOBER 2004, CERTAIN.

Maybe everone will understand now.

BrotherAzriel - Proper spelling please, I'm not bothered about spelling words wrong as I know some people have spelling problems but that is no excuse for using U instead of you and other things like that.

sisters will be in it

Fool

They make a box set involving a massive force of tyranids vs. a huge force of gaurd and slighttly smaller force of space marines.

nids and marines (snap-on) with a small rulebook with no fluff or pictures just the rules.

Hey guys, I havn't read through this whole thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned, sorry if it has.

When I advance ordered my 4th ed. rulebook the mail order troll told me that the rulebook in the boxed set would be slighty different to the stand alone one.
The main difference being the army lists won't be in the back of the stand alone copy, and instead that room is going to be used for delicious fluff....starts dribbling

O my god LO is slow on this. Dakkadakka, The Bolter and Chainsword, and Portent, all have pictures of the marines in the box set, the terrain and the rule book. And yes the terrain is a crashed shuttle. It's called the Aquilla, and it was made by smashing Forge World's master model of the one they are coming out with. :P

Yes, Nids are the other race. You get gaunts, spore mines, genestealers, spore columns and counters of some kind I think. :D

The Space Marines are Ultramarines, they get a snap together tactical squad and a pilot of the crashed shuttle carrying Ultramarine Geneseed who has a special 1 handed Boltgun. NOTE: THIS IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR THE CURRENT TACTICAL SQUAD BOX, THE CURRENT BOX WILL STAY CURRENT. B)

All of the models are new, and snap together so that new players who don't have glue can put them together.


The new rule book will have 3 different versions as follows:

1. The boxed set is called the Battle of Macragge Boxed Set it comes with a mini version of the 4th Edition Rulebook, and includes rules for a Ultramarine VS. Tyranid campaign designed to ease new players in to the rules.
It will be $40 or $50. ;)

2. The Veteran Rulebook. It is HARDBACK, it has 40k in 40 min rules, the standard rules (updated of course), fluff, pictures, and as of today it is also rumored to have officalized Vehicle Design Rules.
It will be around $40. :D

3. A Special Edition Rulebook. It has all of the above +(this part is from memory) more fluff, more pictures, a leather or metal cover (can't remember which), a wooden box for it, and some sort of banner.
BEWARE it will be around $100. :blink:

ALL OF THIS is coming out in September

The fantasy box is excellant as it comes with 2 equal armies. The current 40K one sucks because it doesnt [plus the dark eldar are the smallest and most insignificant army in 40K]. What it could do with is the rule book some REAL rulers, the terrain in the current edition, dice, and 2 small, equal armies [1 HQ and 2 troops each].

Faction 1 - Will have to be Imperial [largest faction player-wise and fluff-wise and a GW staple]. Not Demonhunters/Witchhunters as they are all metal and are minor factions compared to the SMs and IG. Mosty likely Space Marines as you need at least 40 gaurdsmen for the most basic guard army.

Faction 2 - Probably an 'evil' army for the classic good v evil stereotype , therefore not Tau or Eldar. Dark Eldar are insignificant as I said. So that leaves Chaos, 'Nids, Necrons and Orks with a good chance. Orks are often viewed as a 'bad' army because of their lack of technology and bad range weapons [I am a big Ork fan myself by the way]. I'd say 'Nids or Chaos.

Most likely contents [i wish] - 10 SM tactical marines, 10 chaos marines and a new sprue with plastic customisable chaos lord and SM commander or 32 gaunts and a Tyranid warrior vs 20 marine and a commander.

Wait, one Tyranid Warrior? :blink: After a single round of shooting hel be dead and without hivenodes the gaunts are screwed. Anyway, its known there will be genestealers (the new kind) in the box, and personally I think there should be either six 5+ save Tyranid Warriors or three 4+ save Tryanid Warriors.

As stated in WD #295 the new starter boxed set will contain

7 Tactical Marines w/ Bolters
1 Marine w/ Flamer
1 Marine w/ Missile Launcher
1 Marine Sgt. w/ Bolt Pistol and Chainsword
1 Special Edition Imperial Pilot miniature

VS.

1 Brood (8?) new-style Genestealers
1 Brood (12?) Termagaunts
? Spore Mines

Terrain is a crashed shuttle, and some spore chimneys.

The book is abreviated version of the full 4th Edition.

The space marines in the box are machine painted like kinderegg models, so that GW can sell more to kids and retards. The garbage man told me.. :P

Whats so bad about nids?

Everyones been *****in there kerin...

No sucks fornewbie race...
weak as heck, get owned by everything...

YOUR ALL JELOUS OF EM! lol

Both Spamming and flaming and not reading the other posts in the thread is not the best way to express yourself, try to be a tad more civilized next time you write a post

<_< :rolleyes: :P Sorry about that............My post up there is 100% right though. You know the one with the info. :blink:

look at the online website, and go to shopping and it says you can pre order the new set that comes with SMurfs vs aliens...(tyranids)

The new box comes with 10 marines, an imperial pilot, 8 termaguants, 8 genestealers, 6 spore mines (all clip together) 4 power field projectors, a fusion core, a homing beacon, some tyranid spore pit things, crashed aquilla lander terrain, blast templates, two range rulers, dice, a rule book and a missions book. The rules book is in A5 format, contains almost all the rules present in the standard rule book, as well as a section about how to continue the hobby beyond the box. The missions book contains 6 missions concerning the crashed aquilla, and it's valuable geneseed cargo. The missions are designed to ease the new user into the game. The box is due for release in October.

Thats all I know, and yeah, i have had access to a box.

here is a pic i found, i dont think many of you have seen it yet but here it is

http://elfenwolf.de/bb/gw/40k-01.jpg

In the box anyone know if you HAVE to make termaguant?

Yeah, you do. There are no hormagaunt arms in the box, only fleshborers.

Originally posted by GreenVenom@Nov 11 2003, 16:53
Anyone hear when a new box set of 40K will be released. Now that the 3rd LOTR boxed game is in stores I would think that this item would be next on their to do list.

I am praying to the gods of all things 40K that the new set will be Space Marines vs. Tyranids and that it will feature some new artwork and updated rule book.

any rumors floating around?

tom :a
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