How many of you allow the other player to go over in points? I am talking about a couple of points. I am asking bacuse every once in awhile some on goes over in point but not by much.

The beef i have is that usually it is pretty easy for the player to rectify the list. e.g. drop the shield on this character or lose the musician from this unit.

Making lists which fit the number of points is all part of the game. I'm not that bothered if someone does it playing me, but as a rule i myself always keep the points within the limit

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Personally, up to 2 points over, i don't mind. The two-thousand first point will not wipe me out. Beyond that, well, you must have some little upgrade somewhere you can drop. Of course, being a goblin player, I just have to lose one model out of a unit of thirty to get 3 points back. But, heck, even space marines have tiny little things you can fiddle with.

How many of you allow the other player to go over in points? I am talking about a couple of points. I am asking bacuse every once in awhile some on goes over in point but not by much.
im usually pretty good with 2-3 points after that its umm, drop something now. but for me personally I try to come in under the point total unless its something TOTAL vital to my army. but there is usually something you can drop to make it under...:shifty: :yes: :shifty:

Im actually quite leniant. I'll let up to 25 or so points over in friendly battles. However, when theres money riding on the game, well lets just say that changes things....

Never. If we agree to a 1500 point game, we're playing a 1500 points game. Not 1502, not 1510, 1500 or less. If you wanted to use your army list that had 1503 points worth of models, then you should've mentioned it before hand so that I could've purchased something cheap, yet so very effective, likeFrag Grenades or Daemonic Visage.

Yes, it sounds harsh, and I'm really not that militant in real life, but frankly - if the game is set to a certain points level, what makes you think even a little bit over is okay?

If someone says that you have to pay them 1500 dollars, do you give them a few extra dollars?

I myself feel that you should come at or under the point total. Once I made a list that was 2 points over. I forget what it was but I droped something to bring me under. I can see letting 2 or 3 points over. But anything more they need to drop something.

for me it all depends on what wargear the enemy has on characters. if they are 1 or 2 points over, then thats like frag grenades or karack grenades, a bolt pistol and such. so if they can go to the set amout of points i will ask them, but i am not overly stickt. in the game i am strick on 2 things, movement and declaring things.

not 1510, 1500 or less.

Maybe I read this wrong but you don't allow people play with less than 1500pts? Not 1498 or 1492 or similar? :blink:

Maybe I read this wrong but you don't allow people play with less than 1500pts? Not 1498 or 1492 or similar? :blink:

Yah, you did read that wrong. But that's okay, I didn't explain properly. Should read something like "Not 1510, (only) 1500 or less."

Yah, you did read that wrong. But that's okay, I didn't explain properly. Should read something like "Not 1510, (only) 1500 or less."

Yeah I thought so. Would be weird otherwise!:w00t:

If some yahoo comes in with a fully kitted chaos Lord, and is points over, i always tell them to make it equal to or under the points cost. If that means you have to drop the CCW on your chaos lord, then that's what you need to do. I mean, if I allow you to play 1501 points, but your Lord has an extra St. 8 Ignores - Armour saves - Instakill attack, it IS important.

I would rather be 2 points under than 2 points over and have a clean victory.

If some yahoo comes in with a fully kitted chaos Lord, and is points over, i always tell them to make it equal to or under the points cost. If that means you have to drop the CCW on your chaos lord, then that's what you need to do. I mean, if I allow you to play 1501 points, but your Lord has an extra St. 8 Ignores - Armour saves - Instakill attack, it IS important.

I would rather be 2 points under than 2 points over and have a clean victory.

Aye, thats about right for me too.
I don't care if its just one point. Yes, that one point could just be an extra bloke in your tac squad, but it could be anything...including the one point you needed for that big nasty combat monster of a Librarian that will rip, tear and shread my army to bits.

Its not about being a sportsman and just "Letting them because its a friendly" and neither am I being a tight bastard about it. Whatever points you agree too in a game is what it is...simple as...no if's, and's or but's.

I'm with the "Points-limit-or-under" camp. I think that it is part of "tabletop wargaming etiquette" and respect to come at or under the points limit. As has been said, in every single list, there is always SOMETHING that can be dropped. For every one of us, we all have an ideal in our heads for the list we want to take, but in my opinion, if that ideal takes you over the points limit, you'll have to compromise and drop something. If I were to agree to a 1500 point game and I brought a 1502 point list, I'd feel dirty, especially if I won. I mean, points limits exist for a reason.

Personally, if I was playing someone in a friendly game and they were a few points over, I would still play them, but I consider it "poor wargaming etiquette". Also, as Astantia pointed out, there are times where a couple of points can mean a big difference. I say that as honourable gamers, we should all try to either meet or come under the set limit.

As an exception to the rule, I'd say that if you absolutely cannot bear to drop anything from your list and you are a few points over for a friendly game, then tell your opponent well ahead of time something like, "I know we agreed to 1500 points, but I'm at 1503 and I really don't want to trim anything; why don't we bump up the game to a non-standard 1505, and you can add something if you want." That's at least showing some respect and consideration for your opponent.

none of the guys I usually play with mind going a little over the limit, as long as it's reasonable, more than five points, and you've got to be able to drop something drop something, but one or two points usually doesn't win a game for you. (that, and we have this agreement, that if one is over the limit, and the other isn't, the guy that isn't over the limit get to choose side).

If it's not a tournament, then gimme a break. Going 2 or 3 points over will not make a difference. The people who think otherwise should lighten up. It's a game - play to have fun.

If it's not a tournament, then gimme a break. Going 2 or 3 points over will not make a difference. The people who think otherwise should lighten up. It's a game - play to have fun.

No.
I mean if your opponent can turn up with a list thats dead on the limit or under, then why can't you?

Your right in saying its a game, but I play to have fun and to be fair about it at the same time.

In non tournament settings, I'll let my opponent go a few points over. I don't like it, but I'd rather play against someone with an extra 2-3 points than not play at all... In a tournament game, though, the other person better be dead on or under the limit.

I will never go over the limit myself, though. In my 2000 point list, I only run 1990 because anything else I'd want to take is more than 10 points.

I have been writing up a Necron army at 3300 points and let me tell you, its rough. I can't just drop a piece a gear or decide that the Heavy squad doesn't need grenades. I have to rework what models I am taking. Typically out of my warrior squads first. I rarely ever hit the actual point number... typically I am under by 15ish. Its annoying when you are 1483. 17 points in a Necron army buys you.... ZOMG! nothing. haha!

I have been writing up a Necron army at 3300 points and let me tell you, its rough. I can't just drop a piece a gear or decide that the Heavy squad doesn't need grenades. I have to rework what models I am taking. Typically out of my warrior squads first. I rarely ever hit the actual point number... typically I am under by 15ish. Its annoying when you are 1483. 17 points in a Necron army buys you.... ZOMG! nothing. haha!

That's unfortunate. I like being Guard for that reason, because I have gotten a knack for making lists at exactly the points limit. It's my standard, and I won't hold anyone to stay at or under the limit, but I will consider it poor sportsmanship if they go over. It's a limit, a rule. This is not Pirates of the Carribean; rules are not just 'general guidelines' but things that need to be followed. Now, my army might not have access to massive killy things that I could edge in with a few points, but many other armies do. The best I could do is a Guardsman or a bolt pistol, really. The aforementioned Daemon Prince was one example of poor sportsmanship, in my opinion.

Houston, what you said was an excellent example of good sportsmanship. If you inform your opponent that you simply must go over well ahead of time, go for it if they let you. Of course, in a tournament setting, this does not work.

why don't we bump up the game to a non-standard 1505, and you can add something if you want

This is just the way we play. As long as both sides are equal I cant see the problem.
Sure if you have a list pre-made dead on the point exact and you skipped some of the good stuff you really wanted to get it and your opponent went "No, it's alright for me to break the limit but you can't" I would be upset.
Now I've never been in that situation...
But again that's for friendly games. If it was a Tournament I can't see how a list that isn't on or under the limit could get approved.

I've never had a problem staying under, even with a chaos army, but normally I don't even have to worry about it. I'm new to the hobby and don't have a full 2000 pts yet. People at the store just ask me what I can field and they build up to it. If I say 543, they do 543 or less. If I do 1003, they do 1003 or less.

In my opinion, this is the way it should go. If you play a 2000 pt game, but have 2002 pts, then you should tell your opponent that and let him take those extra pts too if he can (perhaps it's just enough to switch that biting blade with a sword of might). If he can't take those extra points for some reason, then it's a 2002 pt game and he brought a 2002 pt army that was under those points.

But this is just for friendly games, IMO, that are usually unplanned. If planned, then you decided on 2000, so stick to 2000. If you wanted 2002, you should've agreed to a 2002 pt plan to begin with.

no extra. it's a points limit

we did institute a opponent gets 50vp for every point over the game limit rule.
people soon stopped using lists with a few points more.

If I am playing a chilled out friendly I have no problem with people going over by 5 points (no more) if they ask if it is ok. One of the guys I play against regularly is so stupidly competitive though that I had to stop this with him as he automatically went to 2005.

In a tournament or league game then the rules are very much rules and points limits are adhered to by everyone.

If you are having a couple of beers and a friendly game why not have a couple of extra points. There is no point riled up over it, its supposed to be fun.

I once went over by 383 points by including a savage orc shaman on a boar with magic items, but when I added up my army I hadn't included his total. It was only half way through the game that someone pointed out I had a lot of stuff so we checked, I now get wound up about it mercilessly :) My mates seem to find it funny that I am accountant but can't add up :w00t: