Hi, just a small heads up, i dont think ive seen this anywhere here even though its fairly old news to me, and for people not living in the UK, anyway

games workshop will be releasing some new paints in april, which will be strong enough to go over a black undercoat directly :w00t: , certainly ive seen the new red, yellow and khaki in action and their nothing like as weak as before

you can actually get them now, in the LOTR painting set, but alas there about 1/4 the size of the average games workshop painting pot...

Hi, just a small heads up, i dont think ive seen this anywhere here even though its fairly old news to me, and for people not living in the UK, anyway

games workshop will be releasing some new paints in april, which will be strong enough to go over a black undercoat directly :w00t: , certainly ive seen the new red, yellow and khaki in action and their nothing like as weak as before

you can actually get them now, in the LOTR painting set, but alas there about 1/4 the size of the average games workshop painting pot...
Sounds good, the yellow especially will be welcome, I have had nothing but agro every time I paint anything yellow, do you have any idea if its the whole range because I love bleached bone and this suffers with coverage as well and my new Tau GT army are going to be black, steel and bleached bone.

Good, just in time for my planned IF army, the hardest part is painting them yellow.

Old news in the painting forum;

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/painting/87691-gw-foundation-paint-set.html

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KU

Old news in the painting forum;

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/painting/87691-gw-foundation-paint-set.html

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KU

Hmmm like it says in the thread they seem to be a base coat option, will have to wait and see I suppose I am always a bit dubious about using high coverage pigmentation paints because you never get a decent smooth finish without dilution which pretty much negates the benefit, I wonder if they will be matt or gloss finish and will they still be acrylic, god forbid they are enamel based, thanks for the pointers to the other threads

I don't see GW doing anything other than acrylic matt paints - it fits with their existing range.

I've tried these new base paints and they are SOO good. I did notice a lack of a black one though in the list that is coming out. This is slightly worrying.

I've tried these new base paints and they are SOO good. I did notice a lack of a black one though in the list that is coming out. This is slightly worrying.

Hmmm sounds good, if they are indeed acrylic and as good as you say they are I am putting my Tau list painting on hold till April, thanks for the heads up.

I did notice a lack of a black one though in the list that is coming out. This is slightly worrying.

Not really. Black has no trouble covering other colours and if they are designed to go over a black undercoat then it might be slightly redundant. Good to hear someone back the product already- I'll have to look into these.

Is white an option? From the look of that rack, I didn't see it. But it's late and I have a cold so my eyes are sort of sore.

Old news in the painting forum;

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/painting/87691-gw-foundation-paint-set.html

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KU

bah! i searched under rumors & previews for any news of these, its not my fault when mods put the paint previews in the wrong section of the forum :tongue:

bah! i searched under rumors & previews for any news of these, its not my fault when mods put the paint previews in the wrong section of the forum :tongue:

Uh oh. You stuck your tongue out at a mod :O . Careful Snuggles

This stuff sounds great, too bad I'm almost done with all my painting :(

awesome but i am not going to enjoy rebuying all my paints :(

This stuff sounds great, too bad I'm almost done with all my painting :(

This state of existence is possible? I'd never have believed it.

Uh oh. You stuck your tongue out at a mod :O . Careful Snuggles

This stuff sounds great, too bad I'm almost done with all my painting :(

not just that, it was the same tongue movement Manny did in scarface :D

A bunch of sheeple I see here.
I have had the perfect solution to the black primer coat problem. Don't use black primer coats.
When I first started painting GW models, I primed black. Not to big a deal since I was painting black legion. But when I started getting to other stuff with other colors, like zerkers, I quickly found what everyone here is talking about. It sucks try and cover up black with most colors.
So I tried white primer for a while. Didn't really care for how that made some color really bright and vibrant, and even on things like yellow, sometimes showed through.

My solution, get away from GW thinking of using black primer, and not even using their overly priced spray paints.
I use Rust'Olium brand automotive paint, in grey. It's a nice nuetral color that works great on all paint schemes. It goes on real smooth with no glopping, running or being to thick, and dries fast. And it costs about 1/3 the price of GW spray paints.
I'm sorry, I just don't see the point in 1. priming in black 2. paying waaay to much for spray paints of basic color ie black.

i didnt see it on the picture, but im just hoping that they put out a yellow. i dont care what brand, but i've never had good luck getting a realy good looking yellow, no matter what my undercoat is.

I went ahead and preordered a set from my local GW. It's $45 for 18 paints, and should be available the beginning of April.

I don't remember if there was a white, but they do have a yellow (kinda dark, not Bad Moon bright), and I saw someone using it on a BFG ship that was primed black. The coverage was real good, although not perfect. Don't know if that was his paint style or not. I plan on taking in a Seraphim or two and test out the paints on it.

Yeah, I'll be pre-ordering this from my GW as soon as they start taking orders. It's going to be £30 for the set in the UK, releasing early to Mid-April. The manager showed me his upcoming release schedule from HQ, and it had them listed, IIRC, as the same day as new Harlequin models I think.

yea i just saw them today, theres 15 in the £30 box set, didnt see a white for any interested, released 17th april, they'll be available individualy but only after an extra 2-3 months

I don't see why they'd put a white in this set, they're obviously basecoats and nobody who knows what they're doing uses a white basecoat over black primer, unless the idea is to lighten the black so it will take another color, which is a moot point covered by other colors in this set. Additionally, you can't highlight anything brighter than white, if you don't highlight your models, just slap a thick coat of white on and be done with it, don't waste your money with this set if you're not planning on using it properly.

for white areas they have been good enough to provide a light grey basecoat which should take a white highlight very easily.

to be perfectly blunt though, I agree with Gman, I've been using grey auto primer and Reapers paints for the last 3 years and I'm much more satisfied with them then I have ever been with any of GWs products.

Hi got my WD the othere day and the new paints will cost £30/50-60 euro for all 18 colours!
thort i would post this here instead of doing a new Thread...

I've tried these new paints out, simply fantastic, the Merchite Red (eqiv. to red gore) goes on brighter and just as the posters promised, in one coat with ease. I also gave the Astronomican Grey a try, works a treat for skull white if you leave some grey shading. :) I also saw the new yellow at work, goes on in one coat and is the perfect shade to be highlighted with normal yellows, meaing Imp. Fists armies are now a doddle to do.
The great staff of my local GW let me and some others reserve a box of these wonderful paints early too! :D
btw, the new devs come with the kneeling legs, meaning you have 5 and a half marines. ^_^

Yea iv reserve my self 3 box's of these paints as they kick but! My local GW store sait that they are only geting 50-75 box's of these paints in store as there a limited offer to get all 18 colours together as once GW sell out of the boxs they will sell the pots each at a price of around £2.00 - £2.50 each.. or maybe more.

Yea iv reserve my self 3 box's of these paints as they kick but! My local GW store sait that they are only geting 50-75 box's of these paints in store as there a limited offer to get all 18 colours together as once GW sell out of the boxs they will sell the pots each at a price of around £2.00 - £2.50 each.. or maybe more.

My local GW manager said theres only about 4,000 boxes for the UK or so. And that invidual pots wont be out till summer.

no white? aww...

i know, i know, "you can't highlight white, so i can't be a basecoat", but thats not the problem.

The problem is that the white we have now is so thick, but has so little pigment. Lots of medium+almost no pigment= a bajillion coats. while this is fine for painting characters and big bosses, it isn't fun painting a bajillion coats on an entire army.

I say we painters of white be oppressed no more, and one day, we will only apply 3 coats max to get even coverage!

I say we painters of white be oppressed no more, and one day, we will only apply 3 coats max to get even coverage!

The color white has been around for a long while, and still no one has mass produced a type that takes less than 3 coats and sells them in tiny containers.

Then again... there is the prophesy of the Great White One, bringing skull white too all the good little girls and boys of the hobbiest world.

The color white has been around for a long while, and still no one has mass produced a type that takes less than 3 coats and sells them in tiny containers.

Then again... there is the prophesy of the Great White One, bringing skull white too all the good little girls and boys of the hobbiest world.

Am I the only one who undercoats white models in white? It really makes life easier. For any of the white/bone/light grey colours it's easier to shade down rather than highlight up- whatever paints you're using.

Apparently I'm getting a preview set of these paints- I'll let you know how they go, I've got some Crimson Fists that need painting.

Ive had enough of GW paints and the thin pigments, and ive switched to using vallejo. The paints are 70p cheaper than the GW ones from Fast Track Models (http://www.fasttrackmodels.co.uk) , and i dont have serious problems ever with coverage. However, they only really lend themselves to painting off a pallet (i use a kitchen/bathroom tile) as they have eyedropper tops, which really do come into their own when mixing colours. Theres also around 200 (i think possibly more than that) different colours. However , I still use GW inks and metallics, theyre the best you can get.

I dont think these paints are really going to be worth what GW will charge for them. IMO , they will only be useful when you are painting an army that is mainly dark, like Grey knights, but has odd patches of red etc. Anything more than a couple of patches, and you should be using a white basecoat anyway! For the sake of doing a second thin coat on a model, the time i spend actually going down to GW to get the paints I could have spent actually painting that second coat.

Rememeber, GW IS a profitable company, they want your CASH! I think this is really just a cheap item, that doesnt really have any longterm value to a gamer, that will bring someone to GW , so they can encourage you to buy something else as well as your paint. So be wary!

/rant
Oh, and I undercaot in white too most of the time paint monkey, you are not alone... ;)


Dan

This is take from another forum, which in turn was quoted from another forum still...

One of the guys who works at my "local" game store in my home town posted this to our local forum. I thought the painter types here might be interested in it:

GW was nice enough to send the store a box of six of the new Foundation Paints, and I took them home to begin experimenting and seeing what they were all about.

First, the bottle
-It looks small. It has the same amount of paint as the current GW line, but because it's a cylinder, rather than the hex shape we have now, and because the cap is much smaller than the current GW paint pots, it looks like it has less. That's not true, but everyone who saw them thought they were small too
-The pot has flip top caps, kind of a mix between current pots and the P3 pots. Ridge to pop, reservoir inside, tight grip when closed. The plastic pieces hinges also have a little nib pieces that serves to keep the pot top at a 90 degree angle when you open it far enough to catch.
-The mouth of the pot is narrow, about the same width as the P3 paints.

Overall the pot's okay, but I still prefer the current pots over any others. It's like a hybrid cote d'arms pot for those who remember the olllllllld pots fondly.

The paint colors were:
Fenris Grey- looks like a slightly bluer, darker Shadow Grey.
Adeptus Battlegrey- darker, slightly warmer color than Codex Grey
Khemri Brown- this color seemed to be exactly the same color as Graveyard Earth
Calthan Brown-reddish brown color, not really darker than anything.
Orkhide Shade- dark green, darker and less green than Dark Angel Green.
Mechrite Red- almost identical to Red Gore

The paints:
-The paint is thick and creamy. I can see it hardening up very easy in a dry environment or if left open for too long.
-The paint doesn't always cover in one coat when painted over black, but Adeptus Battlegrey covered over black almost 90% of the time without thin streaks. Mechrite Red was a bit more problematic, but much thicker than Red Gore. I'm definitely replacing Red Gore with Mechrite Red. Khemri Brown was another color that went on over black of mottled areas with very little second coats. Mechrite Red is definitely going in my repertoir for painting red.
-The regular GW and P3 paints smoothed easily over the Foundation colors.
-These don't look to be good for making washes. I tried with Fenris Grey and it contracted in the water something fierce. I imagine with some matte medium or glaze medium I could smooth it out, but I don't feel the need to experiment like a mad scientist.
-Did I mention thick and creamy? I was washing my brushes twice as often just to make sure nothing got stuck in my brush.

I painted some horses, leather straps. and a battlestandard to test out three of the paints, and overall I was impressed. The Foundation thickness seems to work.

I can definitely see certain layering and glazing artists not being thrilled with the new line. But for my own personal style it looks like it will be a good addition. Just the Mechrite Red basecoat is worth it for me. I'm really interested in how P3 and GWFP will work together and build up. Hopefully I'll have something to report tomorrow as I experiment more with it.

So, I'd say I'm happy with the GWFPs. Don't like the bottle, do like the colors and consistency. Definitely not made for detailed layered paint, though. As I experiment more, I'll let you know what I think of their ability to blend and mix.


KU

In re the paints, I really have gotten away from the GW line for my main colors. In the states, we have a craft store named michaels that sells acrylic matt as well as a variety of other paint types. The benefit I see is threefold:

Pricewise, the paints are a steal, you pay more right then, but for colors that you will use a LOT, black, white, ivory, red (deep blood red for me) and metallics, you can get a real bargain. About 5.50 a bottle of 16 oz, in a flip top capped container, that does not dry out. Only thing is that you need to match the paint to what you want, your orks may be a little greener, but you can highlight that and get some really nice results.

The paints are long lived, these dont have the screw on GW caps of old, or the odd flip caps that result in a LOT of paint getting dried out resulting in the need to water down, etc.

Color and vibrance is the biggest thing for me, the paints in these bottles will really stick out in that they are creamy, but dry good and smooth, doesnt bulk or bunch up, and doesnt require 1239 coats to get the kind of effect you want. These guys also make inks. I will try my best to get the names of the pain later today to show it off. I will put up a pic soon of my tyranid hive tyrant and some of my skeleton units in my undead army that were used with these paints.

As soon as my chick gets back with my camera from mexico.

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