The following is only a rumour. The source is our local GW store rep giving his best guess as to what to expect. So far he's been right everytime, but that still doesn't make him a Dev or anything. Nonetheless, to add to the growing number of rumours being tossed around on the issue, per him it is...

Chaos
Space Wolves (he did say if this was Blood Angels instead he would not be shocked)
Orks

In that order. He also said that didn't neccisarily mean 'soon', since he felt the trend of 2, max 3 codexs a year would be the new norm for W40k along with 2-3 for WFB as well. Actually he said 2, but that sometimes we'd get lucky.

So again. Another rumour for the mill here to process.

Interesting. I'm holding onto the idea that it's going to be the Orks out next, and if not them, then Blood Angels in White Dwarf.

Talking to a guy I know who works for GW I got a similar story. Basically Orks have been put on a back burner until next year, and that Chaos is going to be the next one to be released.

Basically what I was told:

Chaos
SM (BA or SW)
Orks

The guy didn't know whether the SM release would be BA or SW, but that one would be released then the other one a while later. The reason for the orks being delayed is that GW want to do a proper job and not rush them...

Cheers,
Rich.

thats correct it will be BA in white dwarf, then chaos then space wolves then orks

Wolves don't need a new one quite yet.

Think about it, they're a tradition based nomadic society...

How much chance will there be? Enough to make a dex? I highly doubt it, and new models are born with every other chapters dex debut, just throw a pelt on them and boom new model...

Blood angels would be understandable but not before ORKS...HELLL no...they better not..

Chaos i've heard rumors for aswell, along with the apoc suppliment(waste..but hey, i want a big GW baneblade on MY table)

So, i'd like to see

Chaos-update
Ork
Bloodangels
dark Eldar
Then Spacedogs.

Jeez, how many times are Orks gonna get pushed back? I don't play orks but I definitely want to see a new Ork Codex rather than a Space Pup codex.

jesus christ...

Orks > Space Marines chapters. Get it right for once GW.

I dont see why the Space Marine chapters need their own books. Surely they can just create some chapter specific rules and post them on their website or put them in white dwarf, rather than taking away updates from entire races.

You should know this by now, Rob...

GW's Policy

More Books=More Money
More Models=More Money

Simple enough.

Edit: Double post.

OK, now I'm sure there isn't really any need to say this again, but Orks are getting pushed back because GW want to do them properly. Same as the Eldar, remember?
They were (apparently) having some problems making ork vehicles look as they wanted, so they've given themselves a bit more time. I for one would much prefer a brand new, balanced-ish codex with amazing models released a year later, than a rushed, botch job.

Also, Marines get multiple codecies because they are definately GW's poster boys. If you have never looked at a space marine and though 'that's cool', then you probably don't play the hobby.
I for one enjoy having multiple distinct space marine armies, especially if they all end up as different from each other as DAs and BTs...

-t.

Exactly, -t, well put. Do you want another 3rd edition codex? No? Didn't think so.

I agree with t too, as much as I hate the fact that half of all 40k players hate marines, and as much as I want to hate marines myself, I can't help but love them. In fact if I wasn't a fantasy player I'd probably be collecting Salamanders right now.

It is a shame that Orks are having to wait though. I'm thinking about getting some Orcs and Goblins and it makes me sad that their 40k counterparts are still waiting for an update.

So they are pushing orks back just cause they can't get their vehicles right...sounds pretty lame to me. I say just put the vehicles on hold and work on the codex instead. Models are nice and all but really they can come out on a later date as they do for some models anyways. Not to mention with the way GW has been doing lately they are doing a Xenos or traitor then a SM. So basicaly the orks have to wait after another codex just cause they are SM which is bogus.

Either way I think it is quite silly that GW is pushing back orks as it just seems so silly.

What I think is silly is that they don't have every codex ready for release with each new edition of the rules. That would make sure that each one is balanced with all of the rest, and in keeping with their vision. It would also cut the power creep way down, as it would only happen once every edition. It might even avoid contradictions between rules.

But then, that wouldn't be the most profitable technique would it? You couldn't hype a new army every 3 months and convince everybody to buy the next new thing. Unless of course, you believe that making a good game and happy players is good business.

They should really consider reworking each codex in the same order thay did them before, so that everyone has about the same wait. My poor buddy with his Orks...and he's the most fun to play with.

I used to be put off by numerous SM books, but now I look at it this way. If half the people in the game play Marines, at least there is some variety...

why are they giving space wolves, black templars, and dark angels whole books but sticking the blood angels in a white dwarf? I thought there were lots of blood angel players, at least there are in my area.

I don't play blood angels or any space marine chapter anymore, but they were my first army, so i have a soft spot for them. I was actually thinking about starting a blood angel army again when their new rules came out, but not if they're just gonna be stuck in a white dwarf. Kinda saddens me.

why are they giving space wolves, black templars, and dark angels whole books but sticking the blood angels in a white dwarf? I thought there were lots of blood angel players, at least there are in my area.

I don't play blood angels or any space marine chapter anymore, but they were my first army, so i have a soft spot for them. I was actually thinking about starting a blood angel army again when their new rules came out, but not if they're just gonna be stuck in a white dwarf. Kinda saddens me.

From what I gather the White Dwarf rules will be to give the BA players something new to work with while they're waiing for their new book. I'm pretty sure they will get a 4th ed Codex. After all, they're a marine chapter. What marine chapter won't get a 'dex? :D

So they are pushing orks back just cause they can't get their vehicles right...sounds pretty lame to me. I say just put the vehicles on hold and work on the codex instead. Models are nice and all but really they can come out on a later date as they do for some models anyways. Not to mention with the way GW has been doing lately they are doing a Xenos or traitor then a SM. So basicaly the orks have to wait after another codex just cause they are SM which is bogus.

Either way I think it is quite silly that GW is pushing back orks as it just seems so silly.

That, and they need to work more on teh codex itself. The codex is almost completely done and while they wait for the Orks turn they will have a head-start with the other books and such.
It's not only the veichles fault.

neurodisruptor: because that would cause a massive pressure on the development team. They are about 20 or so employes and playtesting and creating a new codex ain't that easy. It's a lot of work.
Doing a dozen or so at the same time would be suicide.

I don't care if they release several SM codicies. More codicies means more fluff and pretty models and that makes me happy.

I have to say that while I have been waiting for a new ork codex for a looong time, if GW wants to take a couple extra months to make sure its a top quality release with awesome mini's I cant really say that I mind much. Look at the silver lining, it gives those of us who want to start orks extra time to save cash for our horde of greenskins.

Also, since I am slightly biased toward the space pups (played both SW and 13th Co.) Its pretty easy to see why GW would give SW a codex and BA a WD supplement. Honestly, the only MAJOR differences between BA and 'nilla marines can be counted on one hand, while SW have a huge deviation from the standard marine chapter.

However we all are pretty sure that BA will be getting a codex of their own soon anyways. Its just fitting that the chapter with more unique units and special rules get theirs first.

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On a side note (merely because I am a nitpicker)

Wolves don't need a new one quite yet.

Think about it, they're a tradition based nomadic society...

How much chance will there be? Enough to make a dex? I highly doubt it, and new models are born with every other chapters dex debut, just throw a pelt on them and boom new model...


SW aren't based on a nomadic tradition, they are based on a Nordic tradition, and like I said before there are more special units and rules to put into a new wolves codex then there are in the BA codex. Unless GW makes a HUGE change in the BA rules/units

And when it comes to models spacewolves have a far more unique look to work with than BA models would. the Wolves and wold pelts, and fur cloaks, and all sorts of Viking-esque paraphernalia to work into awesome new models. With the BA, what is really different between them and normal marines? except for their blood red/black armor

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Sorry if my post seems like I am trying to turn this thread into "which chapter deserves a codex more" type of thing. I was just trying to state my opinions on why it makes sense for SW to get a new codex before BA.

BAs are quite guaranteed a Codex. Along with the Ultras, Wolves and Darkies, the BAs were one of the first to get an actual Marine codex (Codex Angels of Death, along with the Dark Angels in one book) and GW sees them as a "traditional" chapters, meaning that they will recieve a 4th ed. dex sooner or later.

Da Mighty Camel: I understand that what I would like is far from what I will get. What I was saying is that the team takes lets say 5 years to run the complete cycle of army books. Instead of releasing them one after another, they could work on them at the same pace but "save" them up to be released with the next edition simultaneously. It would take no more work than already involved and make for better balanced books. I am also aware that this process would not be as good for sales, as the frenzy created with each new book as it is generates alot of cash. I understand what they are doing from a business point of view and I can appreciate that. I was just saying what I would like to see if it was a gamer's world, not a business world.

Trust me though. I have heard the old story of "we are pushing the release back to get it just right" too many times now. The only time they actually made good on it was with Wood Elves (worth the wait entirely). I am sure Orks are not about to be phased out by any means. I just hope they are worth the wait.

neurodisruptor

Yeah and I trust GW completely when they say that they need more time on them.

I don't think that alternate release would work from any point of view. It means that they will need to plan many, many years ahead so they can have all the books ready for the next edition, which means they need to start working on a new edition shortly after the release of the previous so that they have time to work on the books.
That would be a strange way of updating the armies and would not give them time to create expansions like 'Cities of Death,' nor give them the time to dedicate a lot of work to a single book.

As for the Woodies being only book that has been worth the wait, I disagree. The Guard were worth the wait, as were the Eldar. Orks will be to, promise. Can't be sceptical about this.

Well, like I said, I missed a chunk of development time away from the game. So I didnt know that the Guard and Eldar had received the line of "wait and we will make it better". As a Guard player though, I honestly dont see any innovation since second ed. I liked the second ed. codex very much so this doesnt bother me. But if they claimed they needed more time to get it right I would be confused.

I know that we are too far gone to start the whole universe approach to codex releases. It would be impossible now. I just wish that was how it was done from the begining, in a perfect world. On the other hand, if GW doesnt make money, there is no game for the wargamer, so I give them some leeway.

I try not to be too pessimistic. But I have learned to question everything and everyone, especially those with money and power. I dont think this is the place for me to go on about the personal disappointments (some as simple as - shucks, my models are useless now, to others with a deeper meaning), but scepticism will be my middle name from now on.

neuroskepticismdisruptor

(some as simple as - shucks, my models are useless now, to others with a deeper meaning)

Squats? ;)

I know how you must feel. Even if I havn't spend a lot of time in the hobby, I know of how 2nd ed. was and what many people thought about it. It's a shame that some are like you are now, but I understand why and see the reason for it.

You actually reminds me of a friend, also a veteran gamer. He is sceptical to most things done by GW nowdays. :D
But I think it'll be great in the end. The Eldar codex is very nicely done and the latest DA is also awsome (lots of RT/2nd ed art to!). I *know* Orks will be just great. :)

Actually, Squats do play a part, but one of the less important ones :).

You are right though on the quality of recent codices. I like the way they are pulling the armies back to the roots. I for one am very fond of the restrictive squad sizes in the new DA codex. I also like how Eldar have centralized, allowing a generic force, plus the freedom to make specialized craftworlds without imbalanced "special" lists.

I am sceptical, yet optimistic. Heres to the future of wargaming!

neuroscepticaldisruptor (<--last time, promise)

Actually, Squats do play a part, but one of the less important ones :).

Don't tell me, did you have a Zoat army? :x :D

There's a rumour about that GW isn't pleased with how the Marines are at the moment, and that they will redo them to be better in line with the fluff. Which is all good in my ears!

Zoats!? Oh how I wish:shifty:. It was a Jakaero army! With every digital weapon painstakenly converted by making moulds of the full-sized weapons, miniaturizing them, and placing them on tiny little oranga-men fingers.

Or was it an army of Genestealers with leaches for faces.....

Okay, it wasnt any of those. And I never did collect an army of Chaos Dwarfs (though I did own the collection of White Dwarf articles they tried to pass off for an army book). I did have a nice Squat army. They found a new home as "counts as" Guard, so Im okay...its just not quite the same. But the Squats arent the biggest let down. Its nothing really intentional on GW's part. It just turned out personally sad. If you are still curious Id be happy to pm you the details. If not I totally understand, trust me. No one is really looking for a downer or to hear other people's sob stories.

At least we are getting a kick out of this thread! I think we own it at this point.

neurodisruptor

Not that it bothers me but my concern with all the codecies is the Power Kreep and how it effects the people I play with.

I have heard nothing but moaning from some of my freinds since the release of the Tau Empire Codex and it has increased more so every new book to be released.

It seems the people I play with most often have a real problem with the way GW has been doing things since the release of the 4th edition Tau codex.

One of them going as far as saying they have not had a fun game playing ageinst anything but Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Orks since the Tyranid Codex came to this edition.

Keep in mind that player is very laid back and doesnt want to bother with being ultra competative, something all of the newest codecies lean towards heavily.

Chaos, Orks, Blood Angels (this time next year) in that order.

The reason that orks have been on the backburner for so long is that they are still awesome. Seriously, if you look past the not so attractive cover, you will realise just how good they are. My speed freaks army is unbeaten.

Also in the rumour mill are some new models for the Dark Eldar, as well as a Dark Eldar book.

This is the latest I've seen posted on warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43804)

2007
March - Dark Angels
Late Summer/UKGD - Codex Apocalypse
Q4/Christmas - Codex Chaos Vol. 1 - Undivided

2008
- Codex Orks
- Codex Dark Eldar
- Codex Space Marines Redux

I wouldn't want the devs to make the new Ork codex before they have the models sorted out. They can put all kinds of things on the models, then go and make really creative, crazy rules for it all.

This is the latest I've seen posted on warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43804)

2007
March - Dark Angels
Late Summer/UKGD - Codex Apocalypse
Q4/Christmas - Codex Chaos Vol. 1 - Undivided

2008
- Codex Orks
- Codex Dark Eldar
- Codex Space Marines Redux
Never heard of Codex Apocalypse! What is it?

I believe Codex: Apocalypse is an expansion, similar to Cities of Death.
Basically it will be about how to play huge (ie: 3000+ points) games of 40k, including (probably) official rules for super-heavy vehicles, titans etc.
It will probably be aimed at more advanced gamers, and will probably be accompanied by some official plastic super heavy vehicles (like that Baneblade everyone keeps going on about).

-t.

Never heard of Codex Apocalypse! What is it?

Codex Apocalypse will be a game supplement, like Cities of Death was. Supposedly, it will be about waging larger battles than usual.

A guy over on B&C got a short one-on-one with Jervis Johnson this weekend and got to ask him a few questions. From his answers we can surmise a few things about the upcoming releases.

1). There won't be the rumoured Blood Angels White Dwarf rules release.

2). The next 40K codeci will be Apocalypse, Chaos (September), Orks and Blood Angels.

3). Space Wolves aren't even scheduled yet.


Regards,

Valerian

We can thank Apoc to Dawn of War and it's popularity.


From what I hear Apoc will allow you(in big games) to field superheavies without consent..or give rules to certain superheavies..

and I've also heard a rumor of the baneblade hitting GW Shelves.

It's nice to see some people have actually read the original WH40k Rogue Trader book (with removable pages!).

What really kinda sucks, for us old skool purists, is when GW fluff writers "invent" new explanations which totally contradict the original (and perfectly good...) fluff in the first rulebook. It's like they've never read Rogue Trader!

Fact: I've never met a 'red shirt' GW employee who's even SEEN an original WH40k Rogue Trader book.

Example: STC's.

The first explanation of STC's made perfect sense and was brilliant because they gave a completely plausible explanation which 20 years later is even MORE plausible due to the way real-life computer technology evolved.

Ask around what exactly IS an STC and you'll get 20 different answers nowadays.

I especially liked the original origins of Ork technology... They'd come across some STC's long ago and that was basically responsible for their entire culture.

What is the current story on Orks? They're genetically engineered spores born with the knowledge of how to make crude firearms?

See, the original fluff was better.

Welcomme to the forums!

And I wouldn't really say that the RT fluff was superior, maybe in some cases but most of it is better now IMO. Like the fact that back then the Emperor was incased in the Throne because ruling a galaxy-spanning Imperium was a hard days work. :|
Epic battle with Chaos-infused son is way better. :D

Don't get me wrong..

I love the way they've expanded on the original RT fluff. A lot of stuff went unsaid in RT and needed expanding on and for the vast majority of the fluff they've done a great job.

I don't like when they outright change it.

It's not that they give the impression that they aren't being true to the original, for some of the younger staff and writers it seems that they haven't bothered doing their homework.

I'm not even sure they do it intentionally.

Going back to the Ork example, the original explanation of the origins of the interstellar Ork culture is more plausible than the current one...and how many times have they changed that since WD99? A lot!

Expanding the original fluff on the Orks was better (they did, way back when...) before someone (intentionally or unintentionally) decided to take everything Ork players thought about their race and it's origins and scrap it.

You're absolutely correct to a point when you say the RT fluff wasn't always superior. I mean for Pete's sake! They had an Inquisitor named Sherlock Clousseu! And they quoted "Scotti the Enginseer" offering a proper 'libation' to the Machine Spirit. (RIP Scottie)

That kind of stuff had to go, obviously.

Your Emperor example,

They never quite said why he was encased in his Golden Throne, just gave you the impression that he was a bizzillion years old.

The whole Horus Heresy thing is a great example of expanding on the original fluff and making it better.

I'm all for individual Space Marine codices, however, if it gets to the point where it seems each and every chapter which gets a mention in the history of 40k is due a codex that I'll protest. Well, okay, I'm exaggerating, but the point still stands. Blood Angels and Space Wolves should be the last two Chapters to get a separate codex for now, and then perhaps GW should start looking into merging the five variations into one compilation, perhaps with an introduction to a) a new chapter or b) an expansion on one of the 'lesser' chapters.

For now though, I think the Orks deserve a new Codex. GW wants to progress the hobby, but I don't see them doing that whilst they keep on abandoning one of their most favourable armies. After Orks, then maybe a Necron or Dark Elder reform.

+ Chewie.

It's nice to see some people have actually read the original WH40k Rogue Trader book (with removable pages!).

What really kinda sucks, for us old skool purists, is when GW fluff writers "invent" new explanations which totally contradict the original (and perfectly good...) fluff in the first rulebook. It's like they've never read Rogue Trader!

Fact: I've never met a 'red shirt' GW employee who's even SEEN an original WH40k Rogue Trader book.

Example: STC's.

The first explanation of STC's made perfect sense and was brilliant because they gave a completely plausible explanation which 20 years later is even MORE plausible due to the way real-life computer technology evolved.

Ask around what exactly IS an STC and you'll get 20 different answers nowadays.

I especially liked the original origins of Ork technology... They'd come across some STC's long ago and that was basically responsible for their entire culture.

What is the current story on Orks? They're genetically engineered spores born with the knowledge of how to make crude firearms?

See, the original fluff was better.

What's an STC? :alien:

What's really sad is that NON-ORK players are saying this. Last I heard on the Waaagh, we were looking at a release some time around Christmas 07.

We've got a phrase for those of us who can't believe that Chaos is getting an update before us. Batsh*t Mental. It even found its way into my avatar over there and a few dozen sigs.

It'll be a sad day when the Rainbow Warriors get their own Codex, to be sure.

I went back and read the Ork Codex again and I'll retract some of what I said.

They did an o.k. job of explaining the instinctual knowledge of building crude technological items, but I still like the original fluff better when there were female orks and Mekboys learned what they knew from ancient, long-lost Standard Template Constructs.

In case you were wondering and have never read the original description, an "STC" is basically an appliance computer/printer that gave idiot-proof instructions on how to build things...buildings, tanks, factories, coffee pots, bolters...etc. And of course, you could put different programs in via some sort of external media with instructions on how to build something else.

So, you pop in the "How to build a Land Raider" CD and it would tell you how. It could even print out hard copies or give you voice commands for people who couldn't read.

What's an STC? :alien:

Standard Template Construct. Inquisitor Gatling explained it a above already.

I do like the spore fluff of orks. It explains how they just keep coming back after an entire war party has been desroyed. Also explains the huge number of orks, and the origins of ferals.

However, I will agree that the "instinctual" behavior of orks to just know how to put things together is a little off. An instictual behavior to figure things out till they get it right (as much as an ork can) is a little better. I like the STC explination much more. They kinda dropped that one (unless there's stuff about it in the next codex). STC tech would explain the orks almost standard use of tractor beams. Which far exceeds most races understanding of such technology.

Since the original Ork fluff didn't mention reproduction at all, it wouldn't be odd to merge both the spore fluff and the STC fluff.

Here's what currently doesn't make sense to me: Ok, so all the Orks on a planet are wiped out, but come back when the spores mature.

How long does it take them to get to the point where they can build a spaceship and leave the planet? Even if some of them DO instinctually possess mechanical talents?

They're Orks. They're aggressive, mostly stupid and left alone, they'll fight each other.

I can't see them being anything more than Feral Orks of the WFB variety for at least a century or two.

My Friday 40k group has this advice for me: "Stop thinking! This is 40k!"

Your all wrong!

1.Ultramarines
2.Iron Hands
3.Gandolf
:yes:

OOH
4. SPACE WOLF PUPPIES!!!! AWW WOOK AT HIM WIT HIS WITLLE BOLTGUN!!!! *POW POW POW!*

...sorry :cry: but seriously orks need a new codex:yes:

As a non-Ork player, I agree.

The only Space Marine Codex I'd like to see improved is a "generic" one for those of us that don't play the GW Designers' pet chapters. Something with a little more leeway to be unique rather than an UM clone chapter.

Orks need a new Codex first though. I used to have a Blood Axe clan, which the current Codex doesn't really reflect what the Blood Axes were all about.

Seriously, if the Ultramarines, Space Pups, Dark Angels etc all get their own Codex, shouldn't the Blood Axes, Goffs etc. warrant THEIR own Codex?

As a non-Ork player, I agree.

The only Space Marine Codex I'd like to see improved is a "generic" one for those of us that don't play the GW Designers' pet chapters. Something with a little more leeway to be unique rather than an UM clone chapter.

Orks need a new Codex first though. I used to have a Blood Axe clan, which the current Codex doesn't really reflect what the Blood Axes were all about.

Seriously, if the Ultramarines, Space Pups, Dark Angels etc all get their own Codex, shouldn't the Blood Axes, Goffs etc. warrant THEIR own Codex?

but of course:)

Seriously, if the Ultramarines, Space Pups, Dark Angels etc all get their own Codex, shouldn't the Blood Axes, Goffs etc. warrant THEIR own Codex?

No, I don't think that they should. Maybe I'm just a Space Marine fangirl, but if Orks and Chaos and Eldar and so on so forth had an entire book detailing every variant, Games Workshop wouldn't be able to fit all of the material in a single one of those tiny little stores that you see all over the place. The reason that Space Marines get their own books is because they make Games Workshop the most money.

No, I don't think that they should. Maybe I'm just a Space Marine fangirl, but if Orks and Chaos and Eldar and so on so forth had an entire book detailing every variant, Games Workshop wouldn't be able to fit all of the material in a single one of those tiny little stores that you see all over the place. The reason that Space Marines get their own books is because they make Games Workshop the most money.


Can't argue with that. That in a nutshell sums up 40k. Spacemarine sales outnumber all other races put together. So of course they are going to keep on pushing there cash cow. It's smart business, and in the end thats what GW is a business. I remember ( cue crappy sound effects and flashback sequence.....) back when I first started playing 40k at a GW store. They didn't have pushy sales people like really really pushy, you could actually just show up and 9 times out of 10 there was someone there you could just have a pick-up game with, if you didn't have your army there they would let you use the store ones. You could actually just sit and paint and not have someone trying to push.... I mean sell you the 'newest thing' that was just released. Last week when I went to pick up my DA dex, the 'new guy' who workes there tried to push just about everything DA that they had in the store on to me.... especially the new canadian WD with a battle report that had ' GASP this is a big shocker.....' the DA's in it... and guess what ??? really do you want to know...honestly do you huh huh huh??? the DA's won. Imagine that , the new just released army wins in a battle report.... I guess stranger things have happened... sorry rant over. I just hope they don't do it again with the space wolves codex when it comes out make to uber over the top. When GW first started making dex's the first one that they did was space pup's, god read it It was soo horribly broken it wasn't even funny. ok ok rant really over this time....I just hope they do a good job with the last two SM dex's. I love the fluff for both the chapters and I don't really want to see them mangle it up to much. Now I know people are going to say but where is the love for the orkies and the Dark eldar, I wish I knew. I loved the old orkies fluff, they where frigging halrarious, I almost started running a ork army but I already had a hord army, 2nd edition guard and I really couldn't afford it. I hope that the new dex does them justice tho.

As a GW manager said to me once- "Do you have any idea how much money we make off kids who buy marines?"

!!!!

That is why they publish so many marine variant codexes.

And by the way, despite my tag line I play several more armies than just marine :)
Id like to see a new ork codex sometime soon....

To tell the truth I don't really mind when GW gives so much attention to Marines since it keeps them in business, which keeps them pumping out the new models and codexes. That is, as long as the other armies get their turn.

So, now that they have pushed me out of Dark Angels with the horribly inflexible codex that would force me to buy new models to become legal again, they want to do the same to me by printing a new Space Marines Codex. I guess they will make their money by forcing those of us who actually prefer to play this game competitively into other armies...

I also don't think Chaos needs a new Codex compared to Orks, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, etc. I'm not even done building my Chaos Army and they will probably invalidate my entire list by the time I'm done.

I've been "back" in 40k for a tad over a year now (on and off since the models were made of actual lead) and I hate to say it, but they are already souring me on continuing with it.

Sigh, I don't even know why I do this anymore. Maybe this just isn't the game for me. Every generation is more dumbed down and prebuilt.

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I've been "back" in 40k for a tad over a year now (on and off since the models were made of actual lead) and I hate to say it, but they are already souring me on continuing with it.



I know what you mean, to a degree, i'm only in the hobby for 3 years... but i sometimes look at the prices and the whole GW attitude and i think "let's find somethin else". often the thing that pulls me back are forums like this one and looking at the models...


i hope they do a good chaos and ork codex and i hope they don't let the guy who did the possesed anywhere NEAR both of 'em

Having recently talked to one of the GW managers who consistently get's info leaks from his superiors:shifty: , Chaos is going to be updated in mid to late summer with a chaos mortals codex and a chaos daemons codex. Don't worry though, there will still be rules for using limited amounts of daemons in the mortals book. Next will be the Orks in october so they can have another Orktober like last year. After the orks (or maybe before the chaos, my memory does not serve) the BA will be released. Guard and Space puppies are expected in one or two years to come (so in '08-'09-ish). Again there may be faulty info, but he's never been wrong before.

I've been "back" in 40k for a tad over a year now (on and off since the models were made of actual lead) and I hate to say it, but they are already souring me on continuing with it.

Sigh, I don't even know why I do this anymore. Maybe this just isn't the game for me. Every generation is more dumbed down and prebuilt.

i absolutely hear you.. its sad really, almost like beaten wife syndrome. you leave warhammer for awhile because of the prices, because of the IMO worse and worse rules, because of the focusing on other things than what the hobby is supposed to be about... the models, the fun, the fluff, the people, the good times. then you realize how much you've just spent for a plastic half-prebuilt model, see the new rules/codex for your old much loved army that pretty much invalidate it as a relatively decently competitive force, and want to throw in the towel again.

It's a big cycle and I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!

So, now that they have pushed me out of Dark Angels with the horribly inflexible codex that would force me to buy new models to become legal again, they want to do the same to me by printing a new Space Marines Codex. I guess they will make their money by forcing those of us who actually prefer to play this game competitively into other armies...


I definitely feel you on that one Reckless... It still amazes me the radical changes they gave to Dark Angels. Codexes in the past have made some minor things obsolete, but for the most part they would always keep an army playable as it was before.

Likewise I agree that there are several armies -coughOrkscoughDarkEldarcough- that need their update way more than Chaos or Space Marines do, but I dont mind the wait so long as they dont pull another thing like they did with the Dark Angels. Maybe they did Chaos first because it is less changes to be made, less playtesting, and thus faster to put out? I don't know, but I think its about time for the Orks to have their day.

Guard and Space puppies are expected in one or two years to come (so in '08-'09-ish). Again there may be faulty info, but he's never been wrong before.

guard a new codex? higly doubtful, in WH-terms the IG-codex is brand new! (Unless they're gonna do a "Tau" - AKA updating a perfectly fine codex)

I think the IG could use a minor update like the Tau got. Alot of the doctines they have available are more than sub par as far as prices go... and the cost of Ogryns doesn't make much sense now either, since you can get Grey Knights for the same cost but better abilities.

But more importantly their model line needs a few updates. Ogryns seriously need new models too, and some new Mordians or Valhallans would be nice. Or how bout some new Rough Riders? ...Please? :cry:

I haven't heard any rumor of a new IG codex anytime soon either, and they are currently ok where they stand as far as their armylist goes. So long as they can take loads of troops, heavy weapons, and those Leman Russ', they should be fine.:yes:

Their plan is to overhaul all of the races roughly before 2010. And yes they will be redoing the IG. No matter how "Up to date" it may seem (2003). BTW chaos is getting no "minor tweaks" they are reformatting a lot of it and they're coming out with two codexes for it, not unlike fantasy. However one of them will be straight daemons instead of beasts of chaos. There is proof of this, seeing as they have stopped production of the current daemon units and started production of plastic sets instead. (cheaper troops monetarily) they will also be getting many new daemons. (including heavy support daemons, don't know how that'll work but it's true) that's the scoop from the most official source i've seen unless one of you works for GW.:ninja:

Alot of the reformating is to try and make stuff work better with apocalypse as well. Transports are supposed to be getting cheaper in any reduxes and codices because they aren't being used enough and are seen as useless to most people (if they fixed the problems with tank armor then it would be alot better with the current point costs but meh.)

Chaos is next out in september
Apocalypse out in October
High elves for fantasy is november
December/January should be Orks. Last I heard they were trying to push Orks for a Christmas release.

Also, in Canada, expect major releases to happen around summer break/spring breaks and such. Most big releases (Warhammer Fantasy 7th Ed for example) used to be done in september, problem is all kids go back to school around that time so sales are minimised. Also expect alot of changes in the way staff work at your local GW as of well, Right now (in canada anyway).


And for the record, i know many redshirts (and black shirts) and they're paid to mislead/not talk about new releases. At least not until 3 months prior to the releases, even though blackshirts generally know about 6 months in advance (again, everything is always subject to change, it's how any gaming business works, look at video games and all the delays that happen there.) Bugs do occasionally happen and problems do arise which can change foreseen shipping dates and release dates (that's part of life, things happen/go wrong). Learn to deal with it, the idea of the hobby is to have fun after all, not to nitpick and badmouth the company that provides you with the models and games you love (even if they have a hefty price, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.)

anywho,

my 2 cents.

guard a new codex? higly doubtful, in WH-terms the IG-codex is brand new! (Unless they're gonna do a "Tau" - AKA updating a perfectly fine codex)

I don't know, it seems like all the armies are jumping in front of orks and dark eldar. I wouldn't be surprised. :cry:

The white dwarf article about blood angels will just be a supplement until the actual 'dex come out. I do agree, however, that GW needs to stop making new codices (like BT) and stop remaking older ones (Dark Angels, Chaos) andget down to the orks who need them so bad that it hurts.

Everyone knows orks and dark eldar need codex updates something awful (far more than chaos just as an example), but the fact of the matter is that there are a lot more people playing chaos and the various SM chapters, and as such they're going to get updates first, even if they don't seem to really need it. Between game balance factors and (the big one) the fact that theres a lot more money to be made updating chaos and SM first I find it laughable to think GW are going to give the orks or DE priority.

I still want a new necron codex sometime reasonably soon. :hmm:

I have to agree about the Chaos. Our local store just gave away their Chaos army to make room for the new one. Though I realy dont understand why Chaos would need a revamp when DE are the most out of date with the edition rules.

I have to agree about the Chaos. Our local store just gave away their Chaos army to make room for the new one. Though I realy dont understand why Chaos would need a revamp when DE are the most out of date with the edition rules.

Because Chaos is one of its most popular armies, so people will be buying the models for a longer period of time.