Plastic baneblade kit to be released with the Apocalypse book ( or what ever the title is going to be) in late september 2007. and will retail for around $90.00 usd.
I heared this from a reliable source about 2 weeks ago and got it confirmed by a second party last night.
Go black shirts :P

yesss!!!!!!!!! i was going to get one for my B-Day, but i can wait. thanks for this info!

I'm still gonna wiat till I see it on the GW online shop or pics of it at a GD, sofar there's to many conflictting rumours regarding what's next.

I've read this in sooo many places such a long time ago..

this is all attributed to the popularity of Dawn of War, there's no denying that.

I guess the game's good for something!

emmmmmmmmm how many times have I seen that ... oh its from a good source etc

I can't wait. I've been meaning to do a tank-heavy battle with a friend for a while, but it really isn't interesting unless you have various sizes of tank- and thus you need Superheavies. Only problem is that for the cost of a Baneblade, I could order several Battle for Skull Pass sets and get a 3,000 point Chaos Dwarf army. Plus it wouldn't be good for much else, because oftentimes FW rules aren't allowed in events.

It's not gonna happen any time soon. And I have got that from a very reliable source, too.

You see, GW is only able to produce a given number of new plastic sprues per year, due to overhead costs and other logistical considerations. Now think about it... how many sprues would a plastic Baneblade consist of? An estimated 20 to 25. According to my source, this is way, way too much for GW to "waste" on a single model.

So go figure. Is there any chance they are going to put all other projects on hold and produce no new plastic miniatures for any Game System, just to duplicate a model that's selling reasonably well through forgeworld?

Doubt it.

That's a very good point Erwehon Morf. That said, the actual idea is entirely possible, and it is pretty much certain that they want to do it. But that size of kit will take a very long time to put through the whole production process, so I doubt we will see it any time soon either.

The guys down my local GW confirmed it's due out by the end of the year too. I don't think it would actually take many more sprues that a Leman Russ to be honest - it's still basically just a tank shaped model, albeit a big one.

Have you seen one in reality, panzer-attack? The ammount of bits in the FW kit is quite stunning. And then many bits are moulded into a single large bit to!

IMO it should be kept as an FW tank to really keep the 'exclusivity' of it.

Funny, how every single GW employee seems to be 'in the know' about such things....

I will believe the whole plastic baneblade thing when I see it on the stands or in the WD, not a second sooner...

i would guess the BB kit would come in a battleforce size box, or something the size of Battle for Macragge. it's not a small piece.

Funny, how every single GW employee seems to be 'in the know' about such things....

I will believe the whole plastic baneblade thing when I see it on the stands or in the WD, not a second sooner...

Agreed. Until that, all such rumours will be taken with a lot of skepticism.

I haven't seen one in the flesh, no. But then I'm always suprised at how few sprues it takes to build a vehicle. If i didn't know better I would have thought the humble Russ took more sprues that it actually does to construct.

I'm not looking forward to every IG N00b fielding one. Nothing wrong with N00bs, but there will be so many kids out there insisting on using it, and I cant say no if it's official. Oh well, it might be a good thing actually.

I haven't seen one in the flesh, no. But then I'm always suprised at how few sprues it takes to build a vehicle. If i didn't know better I would have thought the humble Russ took more sprues that it actually does to construct.

i had the exact same feeling when i opened the box of my first (SW) dreadnought, i thought "there must be some parts missing, this can't be it!

btw i received that dreadnought + the sw-codex as a going away present from the company i worked at... :w00t:

It's not gonna happen any time soon. And I have got that from a very reliable source, too.

You see, GW is only able to produce a given number of new plastic sprues per year, due to overhead costs and other logistical considerations. Now think about it... how many sprues would a plastic Baneblade consist of? An estimated 20 to 25. According to my source, this is way, way too much for GW to "waste" on a single model.

So go figure. Is there any chance they are going to put all other projects on hold and produce no new plastic miniatures for any Game System, just to duplicate a model that's selling reasonably well through forgeworld?

Doubt it.

It's pretty well confirmed (and has been sighted by a warseer member, including box).

As to the number of sprues needed... Think about the "Imperial Sector" box. Did last years output diminish because of all the CoD stuff? Not likely. I also don't think the BB will need 20+ sprues.

As to the general use of the Baneblade, I doubt it will be fielded in standard games as it's a SUPERHEAVY (which is it's own FOC). The BB is being produced for Apocalypse, as is the much anticipated Ork Stompa.

In another forum there is over 50 pages on this very topic, and everyone rants the cost the cost, So I will tell you what it costs to make a plastic BB 12,000 USD for the tooling...

go figure!! GW is a marketing machine and an effective on at that

In another forum there is over 50 pages on this very topic, and everyone rants the cost the cost, So I will tell you what it costs to make a plastic BB 12,000 USD for the tooling...

go figure!! GW is a marketing machine and an effective on at that


Which isnt that much, considering EVERY imperial guard player will probably want one/ people who dont even play guard will want one, heck i want 7 (but can probably only afford 1:cry: ) And at, 90 bucks for one they need to sell 133.33333 of them to break even. I have also heard this rumor btw, and they arent just the fancy little redshirts.

GW belives they can sell enough of the BB to make a profit, otherwise this whole project woudn't even have come off the ground at all, people love to get a BB and the only thing stopping them is that FW is expensieve and not everybody can order online, if the BB get's cheaper and can get bought at your local GW or indie you'll see them flying like hot buns over the counter.

I'm actually looking forward to the release of this even though I was one of the nay sayers back when the rumor surfaced last year. I have heard from reliable sources that it's very true, and I'm thinking it will coincide with that Codex Apocalypse that is coming out.

If that is the case, I wouldnt worry about just any noob feilding one, since it will be made for huge 3000+ games. It will be cool to see players strive to expand their armies so they can use the bif stuff, instead of selling and switching armies every week or having multiple armies but being the master of none of them.

Hell I built a BB way back in the day. WD 132 had templates and stuff for building it and honestly it really wasn't that hard to do. I would love to see a plastic one and I would probley get one just because, and I don't even play Guard anymore. Just because its freaking awsome, and the conversion possiblities. And the fact that I can say , " Oh yeah here comes the S.H.I.T ( Super Heavy Imperial Tank) here comes the S.H.I.T baby......" :shifty:

Nice to hear that it's somewhat official.

Sadly, this no longer gives me any excuse NOT to play Imperial Guard. Looks like I need to start saving now... Seriously though - this is good news. I'm glad to finally hear it from a somewhat reliable source (not to mention that the rulebook also seems to be official too). I'm not getting my hopes up or anything, but at least it doesn't simply seem to be a whisper of an idea any more. Hmm - maybe a conversion when the new Ork Codex comes out (when I'm sixty, at this rate) with a Baneblade as the base would be nice... Oh the ideas! Would also make for a great terrain piece or objective (as long as you have the cash). Speaking of cash - I wonder how much it'll go for?

Cheers.

If this is true, it should make for a stunning terrrain piece :ninja:

Heres a bright side for those of you who might have to face dozens of NooBs with BBs. Stock your armies up on lascannons and other such devious devices of devious mischieveness and blow the fraggin' crap out of the BBs dashing the hopes out of the NooBs and making them feel they have lost a portion of their points, which they have, and possibly lose the game thinking that they can't win! Now I will take a pause before I break into maniacal laughter. Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Heres a bright side for those of you who might have to face dozens of NooBs with BBs. Stock your armies up on lascannons and other such devious devices of devious mischieveness and blow the fraggin' crap out of the BBs dashing the hopes out of the NooBs and making them feel they have lost a portion of their points, which they have, and possibly lose the game thinking that they can't win! Now I will take a pause before I break into maniacal laughter. Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Little did you know, that BaneBlades are actually lasproof, therefor making your lame attempt at killing it impossible.:D (except for maybe brightlances, who will put the AV value of 52 down to 12:| )

Oh yeah what a good time to be a guard player eh? I can see the plastic baneblade being useful for team games were both sides have over 3000 or more points. No one can say a baneblade is cheap at that level or playing as if you don't have enough anti-tank then its your own flat.

Will i get one? Maybe at some point but im still building my normal guard army at the moment so ill hold off for now. The marines have there land raider so give us our baneblade!

I suspect when it comes to making a plastic Baneblade GW is doing this to make profit but also as a test, to see if it does well.

As for the number of sprues, it may not need twenty. The Carnifex is very complex looking and more 3D than a tank, it only needs three sprues though. I imagine the sprues will be bigger. They may have a standard sprue, the chassis of the tank. If it sells well they can then make one or two new sprues with new weapons to release more giant tanks.

I am curious, I heard the Orks are getting a Stompa, whatever that is, some form of Ork robot with huge feet I imagine. Will other races get some super-heavy's too. I have recently got a Hierophant and given it's shape and huge number of parts it is mind boggling to think how that would made into a plastic off the shelf model.

I could see them doing an Eldar Super Heavy and a Tau aircraft or something, but things like Heirophants and Thunderhawks might be to complicated even for that new plastic moulding technology they have.

Marines dont really have superheavies besides Thunderhawks, and Chaos Marines use those gigantic greater deamons as their titans, and I can't imagine seeing a sprue of those either. As it is they aren't that expensive for the level of quality and detail those greater deamons are made with. I have seen them... and they are insane.

Marines dont really have superheavies besides Thunderhawks, and Chaos Marines use those gigantic greater deamons as their titans, and I can't imagine seeing a sprue of those either. As it is they aren't that expensive for the level of quality and detail those greater deamons are made with. I have seen them... and they are insane.

But if youve ever played dawn of war, you must realize that a titan is still worth something to chaos. If i was a Chaos guy, i wouldnt mind seeing a walking deathbot with deamonic enhancements.... Thunderhawk shouldnt be that hard either. The amount of detail is matched just by some of the recent dark angels stuff. Its not the detail that is the problem anymore i dont think. Its the actual size of the model that is probably more of a issue now.

When Abbadon took some of the Space Marine legions he also corrupted some of the Titan Legions, so Chaos has regular superheavies, just mostly corrupted. And since Chaos doesn't divide themselves into a Navy, Guard, etc. everything is an asset of the legion.

I think of all the armies, the IG are deserving of superheavies. To balance things out without making them totally off the wall they could simply make Baneblades AV14 with a layer of good 'ole 2nd ed. Ablative Armor (ignore first penetrating hit). It would keep their points down and make them fair to other players. I know this would make them less UBER than the fluff says they should be, but then again, so are all Marines.

It always amazes me the discussions that go on concerning the difficulty and costs of a large plastic model kit. Kits like this have been made for years. It doesnt require new technology or great deals of cash. Just go to your local craft store or Walmart and look at the model car section. On top of cars you will find larger scale tanks and enormous aircraft carriers. These models always have a much higher level of detail than any Baneblade or Thunderhawk will ever have. They cost $40-$50 on average. They have been produced since well before most of us were born. And the companies making them dont have millions of screaming fans accross the world to buy them, making it obviously profitable to make with a much smaller number of individual sales expected.

I dont know what it is. Perhaps GW has us all brainwashed that plastic kits are expensive and they are somehow doing us a favour. I could go to a craft store right now and buy a Baneblade sized tank kit, with more detail, of a realistic proportion, and spend about $30. The market for one particular large scale WWII tank can be nowhere near the market for a Baneblade, and yet they are produced and make a profit for their company.

A boxed plastic unit, of lets say Dwarfs, has no more sprues or parts than a typical model car kit. Yet I am sure GW sells more Dwarf Warrior boxes than any one model of car kit (both requiring this mystic tooling process for a single kit). Warhammer plastic units - maybe 10 new types produced each year, cost around $35. Model car kits - hundreds of new kits produced each year, cost around $15.

GW consistantly feeds us lines about how much their products cost to produce and try to make us actually feel bad for them. But the proof is right there on the shelves of Walmart. If anyone has ever been or been a friend of a GW redshirt, then you know what a discount the employees receive. And even at this incredible discount, GW still makes a profit.

I hope they do make a plastic Baneblade. I hope it is reasonably priced (relatively speaking). I hope it sells incredibly well, inspring them to make even more diverse kits in plastic. And I hope they stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I would respect the company's practices much more if they just stopped lying. If they said to us that they are just playing the market as any sensible business would, charging the most the market will bear, I would respect that much more.

News for all you then. I asked a couple of the Forge World staff about the plastic Baneblade at the Open Day today, and I got the same answer each time.

"I can't say."

This was however, accompanied by a degree of obvious awkwardness and shifty eye movements.

Something's up.

I know this would make them less UBER than the fluff says they should be, but then again, so are all Marines.

Don't get me started on that old "Marines arent as good as the fluff says theyre supposed to be" thing. Almost every game I see with Marines has some superhumanly heroic act that would be impossible for anything but a genetically engineered supersoldier. Stories like my last flamethrower marine lasting 3 turns against a dozen necrons, popping off that flamer 2 times and downing 5 Necrons, the time where a single bolt pistol and chainsword equiped Initiate in a fit of rage over his 14 fallen brothers, held off 3 bloodhounds, 5 possessed with rending claws, and a berzerk Chaos dreadnough (albeit with a destroyed power claw) for 3 turns and survived to tell the tale as an Assualt Squad arrived to help him. Or how about that legendary story of the Dark Angel devestator marine armed with a rocket launcher, who spent half of the game running to recover the book of secrets, with particle whips from a Monolith going off all around him, recovering it, then getting away from the giant alien machine, then plugging it with a krak missile to kill it at the end of the game.

Movie marine rules? Hah, I laugh at them. Why do you think people scream OP about marines all the time? When they behave at their best, insane, heroic and all, they are OP.

Zveroboy, thats a confirmation, no doubt. If it wasn't being made they say something like, "Where did you hear that? Sorry, but that would be cool if it was true." When a shirt says "I can't say" it means 'Yes, but I'm not supposed to tell anyone'. :yes:

I heard in the last thread about a plastic baneblade that it would be $90 does that even seem reasonable to most of you? I estimate that it will be a max of $80 because what is the most expensive GW kit? Like $60? Exactly, that is why I think it won't be $90.

I heard in the last thread about a plastic baneblade that it would be $90 does that even seem reasonable to most of you? I estimate that it will be a max of $80 because what is the most expensive GW kit? Like $60? Exactly, that is why I think it won't be $90.

I don't know much about US prices, but I imagine there's a good chance it will easily be the most expensive single kit GW produce. After all it will probably be the biggest kit they produce. The same price as a whole battleforce does seem possible to me.

Don't get me started on that old "Marines arent as good as the fluff says theyre supposed to be" thing. <snip>
Movie marine rules? Hah, I laugh at them. Why do you think people scream OP about marines all the time? When they behave at their best, insane, heroic and all, they are OP.


Sir, I believe you got yourself started. It was a passing reference to the fact that if marines took casualties in the numbers in the fluff as they do on the tabletop, there would be no marine chapters available since they'd all be replenishing their geneseed. Yes, it is an old conversation, which is why I didn't feel the need to elaborate.

If you read my post, you will see that I am advocating making the Baneblade less powerful, not more, in the same way that marines are less powerful in order to make the game playable.

In the fluff, the Forgeworlds actually track the individual histories of these masterpieces, the death of one is a tragedy. The Forgeworld.com versions can be a little beardy to bring into a game where your opponenet is ready to fight a regular FOC list, so I was offering a way to make the unit playable and yet balanced.

It would keep their points down and make them fair to other players. I know this would make them less UBER than the fluff says they should be, but then again, so are all Marines.

Very much agreed, it shouldn't be a unit you put on the table during deployment, say
"i declare victory" , pack your stuff up again and walk away

I wasn't intending to sound confrontational about it, just venting about something I hear lots of complaints about lately. But why nerf the Baneblade when the behemoth of a tank is designed to be played in large 3000 point games anyways? It also uses it's own force organization chart, meaning that the opponent could also field a titan of some sort or another allied army entirely. Surely if you can't muster enough anti-tank to handle a superheavy by then, it's no one's fault but your own.

I imagine the Apocalypse codex will lay down the groundwork for using superheavies and titans in a balanced way, instead of ramming them down an unprepared opponent's throat.

I imagine the Apocalypse codex will lay down the groundwork for using superheavies and titans in a balanced way, instead of ramming them down an unprepared opponent's throat.

i agree, i'm sure they will, either by nerfing the tank / placing some other kind of penalty on the IG-player or giving the opposing team some advantage (like the never ending daemon-rule in DH).

It always amazes me the discussions that go on concerning the difficulty and costs of a large plastic model kit. Kits like this have been made for years.

This is very true. I have several Zoids that are easily the size of or even larger than many Forgeworld type super heavy weapons. Some Zoids are very old too. I remember having them as a child. I think the Baneblade isn't really gob-smackingly massive. I vaguly remember seeing one and it was about the size of two Land raiders, only not as high and wider.

I bane blade is quite a bit larger than two land raiders, its much taller, and longer than them though no quite as wide if they were sitting side by side. I would love a baneblade plastic kit. Methinks it would be a really cool model.

A plastic baneblade is cool. stop complaining.

I live in canada, I have once bought the resin warrior wings from forgeworld. never have I felt it so let down by GW. they look good, but I spent near 50 CA trying to give my effing warriors 8 points more.

The baneblade is a real nice model, and I'd like to see it on a shelf. nice and easy. no boats involved. it would almost half the cost of buying one, for about $150, that would be a joy. I agree that you can get the $10 leapord 2A6 replica, but I half of the money you're paying them at GW is for the experience.

On the equality, the Necron Monolith, the defiler, the land raider, those are the big guns. if you've actually seen the rules for the baneblade, you'll find that everything could go wrong within a couple of turns, for either side. and that tank aint gettin nowhere fast. so in reality, what the hell's so wrong about some big ork stompa or a baneblade available for the chillums? it might get some of them actually playing something other than marines!

I agree! The world needs less space marines......especailly if its achieved with MASSIVE tanks! I might wire up some speakers in mine so i can play the voices from the overlord tank in C&C generals...." this is the overlord tank. Its big"....ah.....good times......

Bilebeast: I really dont want to sound confrontational, but you say half of what you are paying GW is for the experience? What experience is that? The experience of paying too much for a plastic kit? I really dont understand.

well neuro disruptor, I'm sorry I didn't delve into that more. Yes, games workshop kits are expensive as a weeks worth of groceries, but I like the GW kits, and you're not buying the GW kits just because you want to use one in the game. you also want to go to GW, maybe play a couple games meet new people, then build, convert, paint, etc.

I think price does play a big part, but not big enough to stop me from buying a plastic baneblade.

Hi, i was talking to one of the Staff at my local Store about the new 40k apocolips (sp) and i did not mention the baneblade. As he was talking about its basted on hugh games of 40k etc, he then went on to say that the baneblade will be on of the new models to come out with the book. And there should be one on display @ Gamesday uk. He said the date for all this is near the end of the year. Fingers crossed!

Bilebeast: I understand what you are saying I guess. You factor in your entertainment at the shop as part of the cost. I guess what I meant was that a model car kit is as hard to manufacture, and provides the same amount of fun to assemble, paint, and modify, yet costs so much less. Since I have never spent much time in a GW store beyond buying what I wanted, I just never considered the experience part of the deal. I am glad you can look on the bright side of things. That is usually my job. But GW prices have driven me out of buying anything new for years. It is just not in my budget. I guess I would like to see the prices stabilize to something remotely reasonable so I can have the modeling "experience" again.

well I have to agree with quite a few of you, did you happen to notice the drop in the share price maybe that because Mr X sold his shares and went home with 2.2 million in his backpocket all because we are silly enought to spend how much ??

remember how many points a baneblade costs, if some guy manages to get away with being allowed to use one in a smaller game, its going to cost them quite a large chunk of their army to do so. plus if i end up against lots of people using them, ill just get a couple of trygons and thatll shut them up =D

A baneblade is not that high in points

I don't think you are allowed to post the points cost for individual models, You should alter your post.:yes: just a friendly remionder on forum ediquet :yes:

Nah it's just around 500pts! Not to much at all...

And it requires an extra detachment, which is usually not present in small games.

For what it's worth, a guy I used to play 40k with that now owns his own store is saying that while GW hasn't offered up an official "Yep, we're doing it," kind of notice to retailers, he says the plastic Baneblade, the Ork Stompa, and Codex: Apocalypse are all appearing on his new releases schedule for "summer."

Baneblade will be coming out with apocalypse. The actual box will be roughly the size of the battle for McCragge starter box and will contain 7 sprues. Baneblade will actually be slightly larger than the current forgeworld model and the 'floating axle' has been fixed. While it will be selling for 90 USD in the states it will be retailing in canada for 90-95 canadian dollars (yep, i'm aware of conversion rates and such but this is what i've been told)

And while on the subject of apocalypse, the actual rule book will be something the size of the imperial armor books and probably cost about the same.

Also slated is and Ork Stompa, Chaos Vindicator, and possibly a Trygon for the Tyranids. UK sources say maybe drop pods for marines (though i personally doubt it).

Not to mention all stores across canada and the US will be recieving (upon launch of apocalypse) a full space marine company for sale (unsure of retail price) shipped in a wooden crate with rope handles and an imperial eagle branded on the front. That's right, 100 marines, plus command squad, tanks and transports. Probably gonna retail for about a grand.

I think it's great if they come out with a plastic BaneBlade.
Sure it'll be expensive both money and pointswise so what?
As always on the money-front, if you can't afford it don't buy it.
And gaming wise, since it requires an extra FOC to field it means your opponent will have access to six heavy support units- something that I imagine can be used to balance this behemoth.
And most important of all, if you don't want to someone to field a BB, just ask them not to.

I think it's great if they come out with a plastic BaneBlade.
Sure it'll be expensive both money and pointswise so what?
As always on the money-front, if you can't afford it don't buy it.
And gaming wise, since it requires an extra FOC to field it means your opponent will have access to six heavy support units- something that I imagine can be used to balance this behemoth.
And most important of all, if you don't want to someone to field a BB, just ask them not to.

Hmmm let me see a baneblade chew through 6 Monoliths :D

Hmmm let me see a baneblade chew through 6 Monoliths :D

I'm quite sure the baneblade will be well able to force phase-out with any player stupid enough to do that. ;)

I'm quite sure the baneblade will be well able to force phase-out with any player stupid enough to do that. ;)

absolutley, baneblade is anti infantry, if you want your monlith killer, look for shadow swords

Since the Baneblade will be a standard model for Gamesworkshop and no longer forgeworld it's not going to be something you need 'permission' to field. But again it will likely only be viable in huge games. (games played using the new apocalypse rules set)

On the same note, 3 monoliths or more in apocalypse are going to be very annoying even if you have a baneblade as vehicles will have formation special rules. For instance 3 Monoliths on the table set up in a triangle formation will give will be back rolls within 18 inches of the monolith much like how the resurrection orb works just on a much larger scale. Every army has one. Vindicators for instance, if taken in a squad will shoot one 10 inch blast template rather than 3 five inch ones if you so choose.

I think the point is since the banebalde is released for and to be used with codex appocalypse, it would be legal in appocalypse games, for standard games the old Fw permission rules woudl apply, unles there is additional rules in codex appocalypse, but I suspect they would say the same thing