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I have found, and I'm not the only one, that there is waaaay too much Lord of the Rings taking up precious Warhammer space in White Dwarf. Now, no offense to any LOTR players out there, but we don't need to read about a game we don't even like, that leaves less space for Warhammer (40k and Fantasy).
I'm not saying we should be inconsiderate to LOTR players needs, in fact I'm saying that they should have their own magazine, in which they get more of their material incase they have their own dislikes of Warhammer.
Every other Specialist Game has there own magazine : Necromunda, Bloodbowl etc.
So, in conclusion, I would like less LOTR in a prodominately (or at least it used to be..) Warhammer magazine.
And I would like to hear other peoples opinions on this subject.
Disclaimer: In this statement I am in no way intentionally downgrading or insulting LOTR, and I respect others peoples likes, dislikes and opions about this subject, and ask that people do the same for me, and do not try to change my opinion, just express their own.
You could also see it like this; LotR doesn't take up warhammer space, LotR has its own extra pages. If LotR wasn't there, WD would just be smaller. And if they would have to make more warhammer articles, I think the quality of the articles would drop (since they now have to make extra articles with no extra time...)
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The LOTR game is making GW alot of money right now due to the movies and interest being height right now. There is only so much that GW can do with the LOTR though. When they run out of models the intrest will drop off and the game will proably become a specialist game. Until then there have been plenty of good Warhammer and 40k articles relased since the LOTR came out and several spectacluar armies by Dave Taylor. I for one am not at all disappointed by the inclusion of the LOTR.
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In my opinion LOTR should be completely removed from WD. Also in response to your comment Sammael the space left by the leaving of LOTR would probably be filled by some WHFB battle reports (theres's hardly any compared to WH40k) & specialist games like Mordheim. They need the town cryer back in WD!!!!
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LOTR will be flogged until the the end of time. 10 years time people will be playing LOTR 5th edition...
I don't like it and at vet nights, we have only ever seen 2 LOTR players, and one of them has turned to 40k. At the end of the day if it gets more people into warhammer then great.
I prefered it in the old days when every couple of years they'd bring out a new game. They were never treated as specialist games but as equals to the big 2 (fantasy and 40K), necromunda, gorkamorka, bloodbowl, space hulk... all been downsized and made into "specialist games" and LOTR is trying to stand tall against the big 2.
I wish LOTR would be a specialist game and they rereleased space hulk, with the new genestealers and terminator models. Then rerelease warhammer quest. That was a fantastic game!!!!
OH please get rid of the LotR ther were only 3 40k articles and about 4 WHFB and the army show case. the rest was all advertising the new fellowship of the ring thing. And I thought they already f$#king did that. I swear they should drop the entire thing after this next addition which is just repeating itself.
You have to remember, the climax of the Middle Earth campaign has been played the last few months, and the fact the new edition of the LoTR Strategy Battle Game is about to be released. I agree the Fantasy section could include more monthly, but that's an issue with WD itself.
Originally Posted by Gareth
i agree- i preferred it when other games were given equal weight...in the late 1990s my favourite games were actually Man o War and Epic- great rules and both brilliant games
i have to say though, i actually enjoy some of the LOTR articles, even though i dont play it
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Games workshop is already suffering huge losses this year, which have been attributed to a lack of interest in the LOTR game. As the movies get older, players are finding it harder and harder to stay interested, and I think this is only going to increase. GW is now releasing the new plastic LOTR kits to spark new interest in the game, but IMO, the attempt is akin to flogging a dead horse. Its no wonder the game can't seem to garner the sustained interest that both incarnations of Warhammer enjoy; the only people who seem to enjoy the game are younger or inexperienced GW players. The general consensus is that it is a "dumbed down" or simple tabletop wargame. Many more veteran GW players also complain about the quality of the models. Everyone I know who has played it who also plays 40k or WHFB says it just does not compare to either of those great games.
Now I'm sure there are some who genuinely enjoy the game, and I don't mean to step on anyone's toes with my opinion. My main complaint stems from the fact that LOTR, when compared to the rich and near-limitless backstories of the two Warhammer universes, is so limited. It encompasses three "ages" but focusses mainly on the great War of the Ring, which in the story only lasts about one year and has a very limited cast of characters. LOTR players can't create their own champions or generals, and they can't put as much of themselves or their own flavour into their armies, which are already invented and established. The game is just too limiting.
The story of LOTR itself is a classic. It deserves a great deal of recognition. The book is astounding and most modern fantasy is based upon it (so keep in mind that if Tolkien hadn't first written about Elves and Dwarves and Orcs then we probably wouldn't even have Warhammer or 40k today). The movies were great too (though, I find on subsequent viewings nowadays that they are not the spectacular, cream-of-the-crop blockbusters they once seemed to be), but they had their time. I've always regarded the GW LOTR game as an attempt to cash in on the glory of the movies, and I don't see any way that it can last. Maybe it could on its own, but not when compared to the great games of 40k and Warhammer fantasy.
Although we owe allegiance and respect to LOTR as the cornerstone for modern forms of fantasy, that doesn't mean we have to overlook the flaws of the game or elevate it too to a status of worship. I think Warhammer fantasy accomplishes everything LOTR once did, but it does it even better. LOTR was and is a great story, but as a game it falters and Warhammer rightfully rules the wargaming scene.
Just because something came first doesn't make it automatically the best; things get improved upon. Saying LOTR is the supreme setting and story for fantasy is like saying the earliest blackpowder weapons are superior to today's firearms just because they came first. Obviously that is not the case.
In my opinion (and only my opinion), LOTR invented modern fantasy, and Warhammer brought it closer to perfection.
As far as White Dwarf coverage goes, I must say that as a WD reader, I always skip over the LOTR articles - I just don't care for them.