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I've gone and played with the new list a bit. I will be tossing the beastmen back in their box and let them sit for a while. Yes there's a couple of new things that are cool about the new list, but the reason I started playing BoC was because of the way they played. Instead of having a flexible and tactical army, my options are limited to average troops that will rely on some super troops/monsters/heroes to save the day.
The new book is so entirely different and totally disappointing. I tried to get motivated and get behind the new changes, but I feel cheated. Who knows, maybe when 8th ed comes out or if GW releases a new BoC book this summer saying "oops our bad we ummm sent the wrong draft to the printers. Here's what we meant to send out."
My good old O&G will continue to mash the "hummies 'n stunties," while my beastmen remember what it was like to win on the field of battle.
I completly agree with you in terms the beastmen feel to me like they lost here soul. I feel that they onced had awesome core and could field lots of it, now they cant. There Core is expensive and crap. Our magic, not to get me started is C R A P. I feel our magic is so far out what i fell the real shamens would cast in the Lore of the Beast, i mean, wow. I go Lore of Shadows every time
But with that said, i love my new Beast. I feel that you have to forget about the old beast because these new ones are completely different. I find in essence it is the same army, but with bigger sticks. I mean looking at the facts, Our Core still blows, Our Wargear is terrible and have the time i go munedane, I mean what army cant even get 1 ward save??!?!!!?!?!
Thats such crap.... And out LD is as bad as ever. The only thing that has really changed is our ogres evolved into beast like models, hurray!!!!! and our Minotaurs which is the only reason i started beast not only look badass once there built and painted, but kick ass too!!!!
So try and view the good in the beast, yea our core is worse than ever, but thats what we have come to expect, our wargear still blows, but we have choices now, and i still love my Beast Strat. Mass Great Weapons and T4!!!!
Last edited by ZombieCancer; February 26th, 2010 at 19:34.
Good Luck and have fun!
8th Ed WOOT
As much as i love the new Minotaur Kingdom book, I played a few games and went back to WoC. The book just feels wrong, maybe when I have more time later I will put together a small fandex based off a mix between the old and new army book.
by the way I heard that GW will be following this new format for the next few army books, dwarfs will be fast moving and use magic/calvary, Tomb Kings will use no undead, and Ogre Kingdoms will no longer have Ogres as a unit options....
"Thank him who puts me loath to this revenge on you who wrong me not for him who wrongd"
I haven't had a chance to reply, but I saw it pop up in my e-mail and laughed... and then cried. I can see GW introducing dwarven magical fast cav after the release of 8th ed, "just to keep things balanced."
I think I got 6 games in so far. I have no motivation to play this book. Can't wait for my Ogres to come in the mail.
For anyone who doesn't like what GW have done to your precious beasts, remember my book is still available! See the Stickied thread, Beasts 6.5
When you convince all the Ohio tournaments that you're book should be legal, then I'll take a look at it!
Lol, yeah its only really a book for casual players, with friends who don't mind playing against a custom army list that is well structured and nicely themed. Its kinda unique in that way ;P
I remember the first time that I read your custom list. I thought, "The new book is going to look so much like this. It only makes sense." All that beasts could have been...
I do kind of agree in a way, although I've learnt to cope with it - I also play Tyranids, and the initial jokes of how my wallet was gonna suffer come 2010 led to bitter, bitter disappointment when that Nid dex came out. Sure, we're competitive, but we're also pretty much Alien Guard. I still play, I love Biovores even more now and the Mawloc is awesome, but I do feel a pang of sorrow whenever I see my poor Lictor....
So, I've kind of accepted the fact that new codices can take away what we once loved. Fortunately for me, despite the loss of Raiders, and the utter ruining of Ambush (you had with ld7 a more than 50% chance of turning up in the right place... now if I roll a 1 my opponent puts them where he wants. That's not what I call clever), I still love Beasts, because they're still the carnal, macabre creatures of the wild that prowl the darkened roads.
But there is something missing from a lot of new books, and I recently realised what it is. It's the mystery.
The old Beasts book gave them an element of the shadowy creatures, lurking in the dark, waiting, and even the models looked quite gothic. Now, they're a bit too ordered for my liking in some ways. Might just be the front cover artwork looking too sunny and bright or something, but I do feel a significant change somewhere in how Beasts feel... I dunno.
Oh well. At least they went for the stone thrower giant, I was getting terrified of having no shooting phase again and bouncing off bloody Temple Guard....