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Afternoon all, my birthday is coming up soon and ive decided that i need to try and properly get into Warhammer. At the moment im thinking about starting a Beastmen army - the aim is to make it 1500pts as id love to field Cygor/Ghorgon, plus with the new paints there's plenty of flesh tones to choose from and so i can have different skin colours for each unit. Someone suggested that i could do a Doombull/Minotaur army as they once saw a Doombull charge into a large unit on it's own and completely wipe it out, plus it's special rules/abilities are really good. If you field a Doombull do Minotaurs become core?
If those of you who have played the army could give your opinions on Beastmen, their pros and cons and such then it would help me decide if i want to collect them.
Thanks for any replies.
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Happy birthday. Beastmen army at 1500 to start? Well, my first bit of advice is to read Rothgars' guide. There's a ton of great information to be found and it is posted on the forum. I would strongly advise against fielding a rare unit at that point level. Beastmen rares are expensive. I myself have a Ghorgon but I've only used it once and I regretted it. In my opinion they are not worth the points. Minotaurs are vicious and Doombulls are just plain evil. I recently came in third at a 1500 point tournament at my local shop with mino list. The unit was a dream when I got them into close combat but the drawback was my last opponent was smart enough to swarm my minotaurs and wipe them out. After that happened my army did not fair very well since most of punching power was there. The game didn't last very long after that and I suffered a crushing defeat.
Beastmen are fantastic at close combat and have the potential for a very strong magic phase. I, personally, only take enough for magical defense, and tailor my army to dominate close combat. Horde formation is your best friend. With that being said a Battle Standard Bearer is most certainly your wife. Rerolls on primal fury checks turn your army into a meat grinder. Just my two cents. Good luck and remember to play what you feel is best. My strategies have changed a lot since I started playing so don't be afraid to experiment.
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The first thing I'll say is yeah, Doombulls are pretty scary beasts in combat. That said, Minotaurs are not Core under any circumstances (even if you field him), so you have to fill your list's Core out with something else to finish up the list. Personally, I recommend having a Chariot or two along with any Minotaur list - they're not very good at chasing people down once they beat them, so the Chariot will help wipe units out. To boot, they fill out Core, which is great. I also don't like being "that guy", but I don't really recommend the use of the big monsters, especially at smaller points totals. They really are expensive for what they do.
As far as Beastmen in general go, we are first and foremost a close combat army - in general, most of the successful builds out there hit really hard. After that, you can either choose to make a fast close combat army (which is what Minotaur armies are good at), or you can make an army that provides some strong magic to tip fights in your favor (which is what most people bring along with lots of Gors and Bestigors). As was mentioned above, Leadership isn't something we get a lot of in our default troops, so having a solid General that can survive for a while as well as a Battle Standard-Bearer is absolutely essential to our success. I'd also recommend a quick look at my Beastmen Handbook, which is stickied on this forum.
Thanks for the help so far and reading your sticky was quite interesting. The reason for going with 1500pts is that most people at my local store play at that points value, Warhammer is not played enough for people to have 2000pts on them and there is a time limit for how long you can play on a table. I wanted to take a Cygor/Ghorgon because it's a nice big unit that no-one has seen on the table before, then again the guy i would most likely go up against has high elves and in his own words he's a bit of a douche bag, lol. So i can expect to get hit at hard. At the moment my plan is just to make an army from the units that are plastic as im not a big fan on metal. Annoyingly they only have a character in finecast and not any of their other lord/heroe choices in finecast other than Doombull. Im thinking i could use the finecast character as my shaman and use the Doombull as well.
Yeah, a lot of Beastmen characters are still not in plastic, but to be honest with you I converted mine out of the Gor and Bestigor kits anyway. Conversions are great once you get a handle on them.
Im sure ill be able to convert something when i start buying. The current plan is to buy the finecast character, 2 boxes of gors, a box of minotaurs and a box bestigors. Once they are all assembled and painted start increasing the unit sizes, etc.
I'd recommend getting the Battalion if you're planning on getting 2 boxes of Gors and a box of Bestigors - it actually costs a little less money, and it gives you a free box of Ungors to go with it. That said, Bestigors and Minotaurs don't really mix - you either pick one of the other.
Well ill be looking at the army book when i buy so ill have a lot more info about the army than i do at the mo :p