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Hey, I am going to play against chaos next sunday. The one I am going to play with is one of the best players in Norway, I have never survived against him, he always massacre me in a few rounds. I just wan't to survive, a great loss is good, minor loss or draw is unbelivable. So I could need some help to make a good army at least. But first I can tell you about his list. he is going to use a lvl 4 sorcerer, 1 BSB, 2 champion, 4 units of warriors and 2 units with knights.. And here is my list:
-Bretonnian Lord: grail wow, royal pegasus, virtue of duty, wyrmlance, gromril great hel, cuirass of fortune and shield – 291
-Damsel, lvl2, horse, 2xdispel scroll – 165
-Damsel lvl2, horse, 2xdispel scroll – 165
-BSB, grail wow, warhorse, lance, twilight banner-124
-5 knights of the realm, full command – 144
-5 errants, full commanded - 121
-6 errants, full commanded, errantry banner – 161
-3x3 pegasus knights – 495
-5 grailknights, full commanded, warbanner – 245
89 points left, I think maybe a trebuchet could work, but... I don't think Peasent bowmen will have any effect against their armour so, I am using just knights.. Please give me some feedback, I really wan't to not be massacred, but survive.
[QUOTE=Whitecloak1706;1319467]Hey, I am going to play against chaos next sunday. The one I am going to play with is one of the best players in Norway, I have never survived against him, he always massacre me in a few rounds. I just wan't to survive, a great loss is good, minor loss or draw is unbelivable. So I could need some help to make a good army at least. But first I can tell you about his list. he is going to use a lvl 4 sorcerer, 1 BSB, 2 champion, 4 units of warriors and 2 units with knights.. And here is my list:Keep them level 1, and keep them cheap. They are first and foremost scroll caddies. Secondly they give resistance and thats gonna be good versus a lvl 4 sorcerer.-Damsel, lvl2, horse, 2xdispel scroll – 165
-Damsel lvl2, horse, 2xdispel scroll – 165For my taste these are a bit small. Even with a character in each you are only 1 casualty away from losing a rank.-5 knights of the realm, full command – 144
-5 errants, full commanded - 121
-6 errants, full commanded, errantry banner – 161Pegasus knights are good, and an RAF style army can cause a lot of grief for inexperienced players. Your opponent sounds like he is anything but inexperienced. So this will not be the way to go honestly. Keep one unit of these by all means, but drop the other two and use the points to get a LOT more hitting power where it is gonna count more... your knight squads.-3x3 pegasus knights – 495
Its not really like you need all that extra mobility. Chaos is not gonna slaughter you with massed ranged attacks, and you can be 100% sure he is gonna want to come closer to you.again a very small squad that even with a character will quickly have no rank bonus.-5 grailknights, full commanded, warbanner – 245A trebuchet could work well for you against slow moving blocks of infantry. It is a bit of a hit or miss thing, but the cost means that it is generally ok in my opinion.89 points left, I think maybe a trebuchet could work, but... I don't think Peasent bowmen will have any effect against their armour so, I am using just knights.. Please give me some feedback, I really wan't to not be massacred, but survive.
As mentioned above I think you should drop the RAF idea since you gain very little by getting to grips with 20 chaos warriors early on with just 3 pegasus knights. Thats just playing into the chaos players hands. In my opinion it would be better to increase the size of your knight squads to make sure they have a real impact when they get the charge.
A grail reliquary could be good... I think it would be a great unit versus an overly aggressive army like chaos. They can absorb charges from chaos knights and have a good chance of staying put allowing you time to reposition for a flank charge. Alternatively they can provide much needed bonus in fights against chaos warriors. Its tough to break chaos warriors quickly, even with a good sized knight squad, so they could well tip the balance. Men at arms can do similar, but are much more likely to break.
I agree that peasant bowmen will most likely not do much against chaos armor, so if you feel confident that no marauders will show up, then leave them out.
In essense you have to find a way to make sure the charges your knights get to make are going to have maximum effect. That will most likely mean dropping two squads of pegasi and increasing squad sizes overall, and maybe grabbing another squad of knights of your preferred type. Make sure your charges are planned for maximum effect, and dont be afraid of charging more than one squad of knights at the same squad. You dont want to be bogged down fighting chaos warriors. Having a grail reliquary or a block of maa at hand to tip the balance might be a very good idea.
Mounted yeomen also present some very interesting options for you. They are very good at making up for the knight squads being unweildy. Use them to deny marches and deny chaos knights the charge.
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i play WoC so i know that while that army will do a good job against inexperienced players i agree with stupid(guy above) you need something to give your Knights kick because otherwise they will get absolutely slaughtered in the second turn of combat.
upsize your knights errant so that when they charge they can do a large amount of damage to the front rank which means your knights wont get hurt too badly, i must say that if i was your opponent i would take a Hellcannon but my choice. definitely take the trebuchet so you can launch long-ranged devastation into his chaos warriors.
remember the new Will of Chaos rule, makes chaos warriors very hard to panic especially if he has something like a unit of chosen with the bsb in them with the banner of the gods you will need something to flank hit that unit or you will get badly hurt.
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Hey my suggestion would be to go with 4 large units of knigts, maby 1 errant, 2 realms and 1 grail and a trebuchet and a unit of pegasus knigts.
I would then use 2 damsels of the lady lvl 1 with disp scrolls to keep the sorc under controll and use the 1 unit of pegasus knights to marchblock and set up a rear or flank charge. Use two units of knights to charge one of his knight units (or something else if there is a better oppurtunity) together with the pegasus knights and then take it from there. Also use the warbanner and virtue of duty to ensure that whatever unit you charge is crushed in one turn, this is important.
If you charge one unit of knights (or anything else, like the unit that has his general..) with 2 large units of knights with a warbanner and a bsb with virtue of duty and also get a flank or rear charge (with pegasus) you should destroy the unit in one turn. With this setup you get +2 from rear, +2 from banners, + 2 from war and bsb, +1 from virtue of duty and + 1 for outnumber + rankbonus + whatever extra kills you get on the charge. even with the Will of Chaos rule and bsb you should be fine. ofcourse if you cant win in one turn you are in big trouble.
People have put forward good suggestions. I have a few to add.
A tooled lord choice can really help against WoC. While usually outclassed by their characters, warriors and even knights can be dropped more easily with his high number of attacks and good options. Consider Sword of the Quest, Birth-sword, and any items/virtues that increase attacks or likelyhood of causing wounds.
Magic can really be an asset to Brets. It has problems with reliability, but it certainly provides opportunities. Lore of Beasts can really help out with spells to stop enemy knights and move yours. The regroup spell can make up for bad Ld rolls and the bolt thrower spell can chip away at warrior rank bonuses. The unfortunate thing is that the first spell on the list is not that useful for more Bret armies. Lore of life's mistress of the marsh is excellent crowd control too, especially since you can choose it automatically. However, Life is otherwise not that great against WoC. I've had good luck getting spells off against WoC because usually they have few scrolls due to good offensive items.
Definitely, lose the pegasus knights. Make large lances, add pilgrims, and take a trebuchet. Also, consider the 'Banner of the Lady'. It's not usually my style to use it, but it can make breaking tough block troops much easier in conjunction with other resoluton bonuses.
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