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I harp on the whole staggered release that GW does on a regular basis. If you don't hear me say it much on here its probably because I mumble it under my breath everytime my friend brings up wanting to play with is WH40K lite army... exucse me you might also know it as THE EMPIRE 7th edition... lol ok its not that bad but seriously who knew pidgeons would be so damn effective. Anyways, has anybody been so turned off by the process off slowly releasing these manuals one at a time that they've just put WH on hold? I personally despise the logic behind it, but wont get into that argument here. Anyways I've put the Brets on the back burner for a bit waiting and watching since ironically the main armies I play against are wood elves, high elves, dwarves, and empire, so maybe I'm feeling the brunt of it.
Has anybody heard ANYTHING about the Brettonnians on the horizon? I'm guessing it will be a while. Unfortunately (somehow) its a bad thing that the Brets were fairly well constructed in 6th edition, it means we wont see much action for a while I'm guessing. The only army i can think of that seriously needs work is the khemri, other than that when was bretonnia released in 6th edition, what order? I wonder if anybody has any educated guesses for how many more armies before ours.
I hate it too, gradual releases for armies would be far better. However this would require providing free Army Books online, and having them constantly updated, and both of these are beyond GW.
Anyway.. Brets were one of the last 6th ed armies to be done. I havent hard any rumours of then yet so i think you have a good 3ish year wait.
Brets are fine as they are though i think, they are pretty competitive. What changes do you think are vitally required?
I dont know, maybe more individuality between the knight types. The Errants should be more errant, the kotr can stay base-line, but hopefully more differences in the questing and grail knights (I suppose the pegasus knights are unique enough). I personally feel like EVERY army should have its own unique magic and then be able to pull from generic magic. That being said, I'd like to see damsels redone or a 3rd character type added. I think if the dogs of war were brought in line the penalty that brets are pure would be more full realized. I'd even like to see allied units from other armies again and restrict brets from it, that way they could beef them up without moving too far away from what they already have.
I would like to see a strong revision in the magic item/honour section. Some new magic items for other armies duplicate what the brets have as of now and I'd rather just see vast improvements when comparing the lance the vamps have that auto hits vs the brets lance that auto hits but doesnt work without the blessing.
I suppose the law of if its not broken dont fix it applies somewhere in here. If knights are all we have, and we are the masters of kngihthood then it must mean 2 things. 1) Our knights need to pheaseably (with the backing of peasents etc..) be able to tackle most unit types if not under moderate conditions hopefully in optimum conditions. 2) Although we should be able to handle most situations with at least one unit type we should feel some sting from being so one dimensional but not so much that we auto lose to certain army makeups.
Last edited by Domstrae; March 13th, 2008 at 18:06.
This applies really well to the army book cycle actually. If it aint broke (much anyway) then don't try to fix it until you've fixed the army books that are. Brets have one of the most recent 6th ed books, and there is nothing in the book which needs a major change, so there are plenty of other armies which deserve the overhaul first, like Dark Elves and Skaven.
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Warhammer Fantasy armies do NOT have Codices. They have Army Books.
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Essentially, a new update hits the shelves every 2 years. Of course, this doesn't hold true for all of us. Some of us had to wait AGES for a new book. The poor Dark Elves are STILL waiting for a book. So are the Chaos Dwarves, if you want to get technical. Sadly, you are looking at being one of the last updates. And, if you remember, sometimes you get a new book and go "wait- WTH is this rule for? why is this guy so overpriced, why is this guy so cheap, why is my list off-balance?!". That's usually how you can tell that a new ruleset is coming. They write the book speculatively, hoping that their ideas will carry over.
Stupid tactic, I know. But it happens. HE needed a fix for a VERY long time, and the WE needed a fix since the LAST ruleset on the shelves! The Empire got one just because they're the poster, and Dwarves got one because frankly- without new plastics and all the hype, they would have gone under.
You'll get a book, but for now you'll have to make do.
We do have flaws, but we're a very strong army overall. While I'm not saying changes aren't needed in some areas, I think they'll wait on us for a while.
I'm not trying to say that Brets are a weak list or that we need a complete overhaul. Frankly, I'm sympathetic to anybody who hasn't already had an army update sinche 7th edition rules came out. There are a few aspects to the Bret army that definitely were incompatible with the new rule changes and for that at least deserve erreta. Frankly I'm sold on the concept that the latest army to be released has had that much more time for consideration and that many more oppertunities to be ever-so-slightly better than the work before it. I know every time a new list comes out every calls shinanigans but after some time that hype dies down and people actually learn how to fight said army. Even so, I would still say staggering armies does lead to a little of that phenomenon. I would much rather see all the books come out as one release / edition. Models can follow suit in the time that they need to but essentially warhammer is 2 hobbies in one. The model construction and painting and then the actual game. And for the most part when your focused on one your a little less focused on the other. You dont have to treat the rules as being REQUIRED to release at the exact same time of the models UNLESS it is a totally redesigned or completely new model. In which case they could release those first.
And before I sign off I wanna say how sad it is the Chaos Dwarves got mistreated they way they did. Back before I played I still was around warhammer and at the hobby store I often went to for MTG there was a regular there who had an AWSOME chaos dwarf army. Unfortunately that army is completely shafted, other than as an amazing display piece, I just dont want some of these armies including my own to feel like CD must feel on a much higher scale.
From what I've heard the releases for the rest of 2007 are as follows:
- April/May - Daemons of Chaos
- Summer 2008 - Hordes of Chaos (I've heard rumors it will be a White Dwarf fix, similar to what Blood Angels got last year)
- Fall 2008 - Dark Elves
- Winter 2008/2009 - Skaven
Then my best guesses for next year would be:
- Beasts of Chaos
- Ogre Kingdoms
After that you are left with Dwarves, Tomb Kings, Bretonnia, and Wood Elves. These armies imo are the best off currently and least in need of an army book fix, so expect them to be held out till last.
I'm curious to see why everyone really things Bretonnia needs an update actually. They are an extremely well put together army. They are quite competitive and fairly accurately priced points wise. What we really need is a FAQ, to clarify a few things, such as The Sacrament of the Lady.
The Sarcament works exactly as it says Spec. This was clarified in a WD release as 7th ed arrived.