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as you may possibly know from the Dwarfs and Orcs and Goblins forums, I'm considering a fantasy army and am torn between Brettonnia, Dwarfs and Orcs and Goblins. Any feedback on the other races would be nice, but I'm here primarily to ask about Brettonnians. Before you aim your trebuchets at me, I will tell you that I have read previous similar threads but I still don't think they have answered my questions, so here I come.
The Brettonnians, as I understand it, are a powerful and easy to play race. Lots of shiny knights in colourful coats, gorgeous miniatures, and quite cheap to get. There are some downsides, however - Brettonnians are slow for a mounted army (M4? Stupid empire on foot does the same, and elves are quicker on foot! I would think that horses give you some speed, but it looks like it doesn't matter when it comes to Brettonnians.), hard to paint nice, and one-dimensional. Point-charge-break-point-charge-break.....
What I want from my army first and foremost is to get an enjoyable experience that won't make me switch my army after a year. This involves being competitive, as well as looking nice, and being able to toy with the enemy, fight on my own terms. I don't want an army that is capable of just a single tactic anyone can adapt to, and that has just a single viable army type. Also, I would like to have some variability so that the army doesn't play always the same.
My question for you then is: How do the Brettonnians fare? I'm interested in fun, variability, tactical options, and power to beat hopefully all armies, especially the ones everyone annoyingly screams "cheese" on (VC, Daemons). Many thanks for your thoughts in advance.
Hey, well lets clear something up. Bretonnia Cav is not M4 lol. They are actually quicker then most cav barring Elven cavalry due to the fact that their barding does not reduce their movement by 1 as it does in most armies.
Well if you want a strong, competitive army Bretonnia will give you that. They hit like a ton of bricks on the charge and are quite hard to kill with high armour and army wide ward saves. They are also still considered a top army by the people out there worth a pinch of salt, which is saying something considering they are one of the older books (still from 6th edition) still out.
Competitively, there are 2 schools of thought on Bretonnia atm. One is the Royal Air Force (RAF) which is a Lord on a Royal Pegasus and 4 units of around 5 Pegasus Knights. Fill in the rest of points with Knights. The other is an all mounted army.
As for getting bored with Bretonnia, I'd say due to their tactics being somewhat one dimensional at times, (point and click) they can get boring. However, my advice would be to mix it up and run a more peasant heavy mix when you aren't playing in a competitive enviroment once in awhile. This will keep you fresh.
On Bretonnia tactics, yes we're a bit predictable. However, as I said before, Bretonnia has stood the test of time quite well and even though people know exactly what we're going to do, Brets usually kick their ass anyways. And I wouldn't say Brets are necessarily one of the easiest armies to learn. Learning when/when not to charge, setting up combo charges ect. does take time. Also you'll learn to spot when your opponent is baiting you into a trap ect.
Lastly, as for the new books, Undead will always give Bretonnia trouble due to being completely Unbreakable. However if you play well, you can defeat any army. As for Bretonnia v. Daemons, most of the reports I've seen in the Daemons forums have Brets doing quite well v. them .
Hope that was somewhat helpful.
Thanks, it was, somewhat. Anyone else got any further insight?
The 1-dimensional nature of Bretonnian forces is a bit of a fallacy as target allocation, deployment, march blocking, Terror causing flyers etc can all play havoc with battle plans. Bretonnian core is cavalry, so play to the strength of a heavy cavalry army. However, they also have interesting units like Pagasus Knights, Grail pilgrims and Reliquary, and teh field trebuchet.
Foot troops are REALLy good value in a Bret army, and can add some much needed static combat res, especially against Undead, where you have to outnumber where possible, otherwise face the risk of being automatically broken.
Allright, I ruled out Dwarfs, which I consider a huge success. It gave me huge trouble to decide on Tau for WH40K, and it's even worse when it gets to fantasy, duh.
Anyway, any more experience and insight on Bretonnia in terms of tactics, fun, competitiveness,...?
Brets are a great army to start with, as they are masterful at moving and charging, without getting too much into the more complicated areas of the game until you want to....when you do want to, adding things like infantry, reliquaes, archers, and trebuchets make things really fun. The high armor and ward saves for almost the entire army make it forgiving to learn for the most part as well.
I think the fact that they're nice and competitive has been touched on well.
You do paint a lot of horses, and there have been times that I've been sick of that, although I get over it fairly quickly. It is a fairly low model count army, so that is a plus when putting your first fantasy army together.
Just my rambling thoughts. Good luck on your decision.
Thanks! I'm seriously tempted to try the Brets, they will definitely be easier and stronger than OaG, but I'm just concerned whether I won't miss the fun of the green tide...
I have to think it through.
Well, you could always do what I do.......play both!
I run a fairly balanced bret list, with 4 full lances of knights, about 50 men-at-arms, and 30 or so longbowmen. A good spread of units helps keep the game fresh, as opposed to the charge-win-charge-win-dance game played by an all-cav army. As mentioned, the men-at-arms are a good value at their cost, and provide much needed static combat resolution. Longbowmen are also good for the cost, especially while skirmishing.
I cannot. I have a Tau army that needs attending to, studies, research, and a girlfriend. There's only so much I can manage in such a limited time.
bretonians are my favorite to play as a vampire count player yum yum