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I was thinking about investing in a bret force in the future, so I was looking at the book for color ideas, and was curious as to why green wasnt a color used by any of the knights.
is there a lore reason for this or is it a design direction Eavy metal took to make the green knight stand out more?
I guess green & brown were not considered a noble color in the middle ages since it was too cheap and easy to get. Blue and red on the other hand were 'expensive' (keep in mind they had to find natural pigments to color their fabrics)
Anyway i like dark green more than a full black white color scheme
Last edited by Uziel; October 28th, 2009 at 16:46.
Uziel has it right, and it comes from traditional british heraldry.
Traditionally heraldry is made of one metal colour, silver or gold (white or yellow), and one colour, which was traditionally blue red or black. In rarer cases two colours to one metal would be used, mostly as a sign of a long standing family with high regard. at least this is how it is supposed to be in bretonnian culture, with my current semi inibriated state I cant trust my current historical skills, But I'll give it a go.
Green as a colour is supposed to be a common peasantry colour, as is brown, grey, pastel colours. This is because green is cheap to make, since most dyes of this age are made of plants, and pretty much all plants have some green in them. other colour dyes came from more exotic and extensive sources, and so showed more prowess. Essentially the brighter the colour is the more wealth the person bearing the heraldry is supposed to have.
Anyway, that is the reasoning behind the lack of green in the gw colourscheme. Its not a deliberate marketing ploy, (or at least they have a good excuse) but actually comes from a historical place... a rare thing... but is not rigid. I have stuck by it with mine, other than trying to pick a common metal for each regiment of knights, to give some consistancy. This is not to say that any particular colour scheme isn't right, i'd never critise anyones army as long as it looked good and in keeping with the army. (a flamboiant pink knight would be pushing things...)
Look at the colours of the football teams in the UK - most if not all wear bright colours - variations of yellow, red, blue, white, black etc. There are very few clubs I can think of which wear green, TBH. I am pianting up a unit of Knights to match the colours of some of the top teams in Europe with cool heraldry - Spurs (cockereal, dark blue and white), Liverpool (Phoenix, red), Man Utd (Devil, red and black), Juventus (Bul, black and white), Roma (Wolf, maroon and yelo), Barcelona (abstact design, blue and maroon), Chelsea (White Lion, all blue), Olympique Lyonnais (golden lion, white, red and blue).
I have seen Grail Knights differentiated from Knights of the Realm using a third colour rather than just single or quartered (e.g. two tincture party per cross using an ordinary such as a saltire or a fess bands of and pictorial charges), or using furs as one of the colours, whilst the KoTR is a relatively simple design with either an ordinary or a charge. Knights errant I have seen are normally just very basic geomatric fields with divisions, rather than a more complex design, sometimes with charges, other times without.
This is a good example of lots of different designs of shield (where the shields have been stitched together for a particular family which has claim to all teh arms borne on the shield) I'l like to see someone attempt
Last edited by kithre; November 9th, 2009 at 13:24.
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I haven't looked at my color scheme in a while but I had knights errant in black and a color, knights of the realm as 2 colors, questing knights just ragged looking knights of the realm, and Grail knights as your atypical silver and gold.
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Since my fluff (when written) is about the close link with the Wood Elves (my main army), I'll be using a small amount of green on most units. Maybe an oak leaf somewhere. Alas, with small sprogs and an MSc taking up my time, luxuries such as painting are wishful thinking